Future Infrastructure Developments

[Britannia94]

If it does get rejected, the airport have the option of extending the current terminal which does have approval. Not ideal I know but it would be a kick in the teeth of those who are all environment this and environment that as they’ve just stopped the go head of an efficient terminal which would be good for the environment and instead have kept one that’s inefficient. Idiots like that never think about the other consequences.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

In all seriousness, if it does get rejected.. (I honestly can’t see how it possibly can) what’s the next step? Can the airport get a second opinion/object? Send it to boris as it’s going against everything he has been saying about build build build?

They could appeal to the national Planning Inspectorate. A professional planning inspector would be appointed and the type of application would undoubtedly lead to a public enquiry.

Bristol Airport is in that position having had a major planning application rejected by the local authority in March. It has until September to decide whether to appeal to the Planning Inspectorate.

 

[lbaspotter]

If it does get rejected, the airport have the option of extending the current terminal which does have approval.

From what we were told that is not an option, Its all or nothing! "I can confirm that came directly from the Airport's CEO", Hywel Rees

 

[Peter Barber]

Looks like LCC have taken a page out of Manchester United's book and are using the Fergie Time rule. If they cant find an excuse to stop the new terminal, they are going to delay it as long as possible to see if an excuse comes along. The quote fits perfectly,

“Extra time played in a game (esp. soccer) allegedly to allow one favoured side to score a goal and win the game. Refers to Sir Alec Ferguson, Manager of Manchester United, who are often perceived to be beneficiaries of extra time goals”

Maybe Manchester airport were worried about losing business if the new terminal were approved, so gave LCC the idea?

 

[Aviador]

From what we were told that is not an option, Its all or nothing! "I can confirm that came directly from the Airport's CEO", Hywel Rees

Which also means no company will ever invest in LBA if it isn't allowed to grow. So LBA really will become 10,000 home estate, a prison or an industrial estate which will be far more concerning to residents in North West Leeds than the airport ever was.

 

[lbaspotter]

Its what we've been saying for past few days on Twitter with the "Want LBA Gone" campaign

 

[White Heather]

Looks like LCC have taken a page out of Manchester United's book and are using the Fergie Time rule. If they cant find an excuse to stop the new terminal, they are going to delay it as long as possible to see if an excuse comes along. The quote fits perfectly,

“Extra time played in a game (esp. soccer) allegedly to allow one favoured side to score a goal and win the game. Refers to Sir Alec Ferguson, Manager of Manchester United, who are often perceived to be beneficiaries of extra time goals”

Maybe Manchester airport were worried about losing business if the new terminal were approved, so gave LCC the idea?

I honestly think that if LCC were going for Fergie Time to increase opposition, they would extend by more than 3 days. They really don't need to. If it was their pre-determined intention to reject this, they could just quit now and later point to the 300+ more opposing comments ( compared to support )and use that as partial justification for rejecting it.

I am convinced this extra 3 days is because the portal was down for 3 days over the weekend and is to ensure that there is no resultant reduction in days allowed in which to comment. We already know the previous extensions occurred due to complaints from GALBA and MPs that insufficient time was being given to consider the documents within the planning application, and then to invent some fake evidence to 'justify' an objection.

The council are clearly aware of GALBAs threat to take legal action if the application is approved and they are my making sure that a reduction in comment time due to the portal being down isn't used as an excuse for such action.

 

[lbaspotter]

Why am i not surprised, Yorkshire Evening Post at its best once again!

Leeds airport accuses anti-expansion campaigners of being 'deliberately misleading'

Natural England has urged councillors against taking any decision on the proposed expansion of Leeds Bradford Airport until further evidence of the potential impacts is provided.

www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk

 

[White Heather]

Why am i not surprised, Yorkshire Evening Post at its best once again!

Leeds airport accuses anti-expansion campaigners of being 'deliberately misleading'

Natural England has urged councillors against taking any decision on the proposed expansion of Leeds Bradford Airport until further evidence of the potential impacts is provided.

www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk

I have reached the conclusion that Foren is a self righteous P@llock.
As for the areas they list as potentially impacted, all are miles from LBA and most are not even on any LBA flight path . I often go to Upper Nidderdale and have yet to see any aircraft up there other than RAF.

 

[lbaspotter]

I have reached the conclusion that Foren is a self righteous P@llock.
As for the areas they list as potentially impacted, all are miles from LBA and most are not even on any LBA flight path . I often go to Upper Nidderdale and have yet to see any aircraft up there other than RAF.

I stuggle to justify how do GALBA get away with this and for YEP for even publishing the nonsense

 

[White Heather]

I stuggle to justify how do GALBA get away with this and for YEP for even publishing the nonsense

It's odd how anti airport campaigners are all like this. Back in the 80s and 90s it was LACAN and they wouldn't have known the truth of it smacked them in the face. Some of what they said and did was just ludicrous. Their representative was utterly bonkers yet they sought and obtained funds just like GALBA and caused huge damage. Once LBA got its 24 hour licence back in 1994, , they just faded into obscurity.

GALBA and their leaders are just like LACAN all over again. If the truth doesn't suit your purpose, just get a sympathetic professor to make up data to suit, claim it's all genuine, get the YEP and T&A to print it and every other anti airport individual in the region will join up, including idiotic and disgraceful MPs and Councillors.

We just have to hope that LCC are wise to these tactics by now and will see the bigger picture, especially the negative impact that turning this down would have on Leeds and the entire region. If our council have hoped to make Leeds an outstanding city they can forget it if they say no. Every outstanding city has a decent airport. LBA doesn't yet fit into that category. If it ultimately closed Leeds would be the biggest city in Europe without an airport. (Sorry, Leeds East doesn't count).

 

[dmrodgers]

It's odd how anti airport campaigners are all like this. Back in the 80s and 90s it was LACAN and they wouldn't have known the truth of it smacked them in the face. Some of what they said and did was just ludicrous. Their representative was utterly bonkers yet they sought and obtained funds just like GALBA and caused huge damage. Once LBA got its 24 hour licence back in 1994, , they just faded into obscurity.

GALBA and their leaders are just like LACAN all over again. If the truth doesn't suit your purpose, just get a sympathetic professor to make up data to suit, claim it's all genuine, get the YEP and T&A to print it and every other anti airport individual in the region will join up, including idiotic and disgraceful MPs and Councillors.

We just have to hope that LCC are wise to these tactics by now and will see the bigger picture, especially the negative impact that turning this down would have on Leeds and the entire region. If our council have hoped to make Leeds an outstanding city they can forget it if they say no. Every outstanding city has a decent airport. LBA doesn't yet fit into that category. If it ultimately closed Leeds would be the biggest city in Europe without an airport. (Sorry, Leeds East doesn't count).

And Leeds the biggest city in Western Europe without a rapid transit system. Tram/Airport sums up our inept council.

 

[jfy1999]

What is it about the general public that they see trains as the way forward as every time I use them they are late overcrowded dirty and now we have the quiet carriages where you are not allowed to speak. Not to mention the house demolitions needed and green belt damage plus unbearable long term building of the line why not subsidise domestic air travel and scrap HS2 ?

At the risk of going off topic here, rail delays and overcrowding were the reason why HS2 and NPR were conceived. On almost all our mainlines, non-stop intercity shares the track with freight, regional, and local commuter services.

Since the non-stop intercity trains travel at almost twice the speed of all the others, and thus require greater timetable gaps, the plan is to shift them off the existing lines and give them their own stations, or build new platforms and track at existing stations (which is the plan for Leeds). The platforms and track which they previously used will then serve more local trains.

There’s a potential benefit for LBA since the freed up capacity at the city centre station from HS2/NPR could mean more frequent trains to the local stations and hopefully alleviate road traffic in the neighbourhoods around LBA.

As for domestic flights, assuming we haven’t done a France and they haven’t fallen victim to the green movement by the time HS2 reaches Leeds, i think the only traffic HS2 will affect is Leeds-London business trips. LHR transfers shouldn’t suffer much as HS2 doesn’t serve LHR directly.

 

[Heathrowflyer]

I've just read the article about Natural England's submission wanting further information before the planning application is be considered by planners. I wasnt sure who they are so I did a google search. They are a 'government adviser' and funded by Defra according to wiki. Does this mean that the process will be delayed until the information is gathered with this organisation being an official body? I'm not sure if they are official consultee's in the process and thus their recommendations have to be adhered to.

 

[lbaspotter]

Leeds live at it now.

Government's environment adviser says LBA expansion should not be approved

Natural England said there is "not enough information to rule out the likelihood of significant effects" on the environment

www.leeds-live.co.uk

The lack of Fact Checking by local press is staggering, all for a click bait story.

 

[Heathrowflyer]

Yes...I dont understand what powers they have though. Assume this report will have to be done with them being official? .....which could take months, then more time given for people to see it and respond online on the planning portal. I give up.

 

[Hendi]

Leeds live at it now.

Government's environment adviser says LBA expansion should not be approved

Natural England said there is "not enough information to rule out the likelihood of significant effects" on the environment

www.leeds-live.co.uk

The lack of Fact Checking by local press is staggering, all for a click bait story.

The comments!! people still think its goverment/council funded

 

[Wardair166]

A delayed planning decision looms I suspect. Leeds and Yorkshire is backwards in so many ways. Why would we want to change that?????

 

[Wardair166]

Leeds airport accuses anti-expansion campaigners of being 'deliberately misleading'

Natural England has urged councillors against taking any decision on the proposed expansion of Leeds Bradford Airport until further evidence of the potential impacts is provided.

www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk

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Ok LBA, provide the information they are requesting.

 

[White Heather]

They have already said they will do and that this is a perfectly normal request which GALBA are again manipulating so it appears that LBA are failing to provide information.

Natural England will make such enquiries for all airport schemes and they won't know that the areas they are interested in are not on flight paths. LBA should have no problem showing the information they require well before a decision is due, which isn't for a couple of months yet.

It's just another example of a manipulative p******k twisting things around to get more opposition. Once again though this is not something that should really faze either LBA or the Planning Officer.

Unfortunately, based on the original / revised deadline of 7th July, I am now not going to be able to comment much or get involved for the remainder of this week as I have a support bubble visitor until the weekend. Apologies. The time of this visit was picked for after the 7th deliberately. Best laid plans......