Always first flight to where ever is false figures as airport staff,press and travel agents. As been said easter time here so all these clumped togeather does not give a true figure. To get a true figure of pax loading a few weeks running would be accurate. But it does not matter how many on flight it comes down to yield in the end and that is what airlines look at. I hope the route works out ok as always a big commitment to start any new routes and a gamble with it. Lets hope it stays on the air line radar for many years.
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All I'm saying is don't base the route on pax numbers for first day of operation. In reality you have to give any new route a few weeks to get a more true loading. Like the other Italian routes hope this one works out ok as its a good addition.
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The load factors on these flights will surely be at least on a par with Flybe's load factors across its network. Flybe, unlike say easyJet and Ryanair, operates on much lower load factors than these two large lo-cos, and with smaller aircraft into the bargain they are potentially ideal for many smaller airports on routes that otherwise might not be viable.
For the past ten years Flybe has seen annual load factors as low as 61.7% in 2011 to as high as 75.2% in 2015, with 2017 seeing 69.6%. Generally CWL loads are in line with this with some routes performing better than others which is the case with any airline at any airport.
As a comparison easyJet saw a load factor across its network of 92.6% in 2017 and Ryanair 94%. In the opposite direction bmi regional's load factor in 2016 (the last year for available figures) was 54.1%. Going right back to 1997 in previous ownerships they never got above 62% in any one year. So different airlines have different load models. easyJet/Ryanair are broadly pile 'em high and sell 'em cheap like a big supermarket whilst bmi regional's wares are far more expensive but they sell fewer of them. Fybe is somewhere in between. I emphasise this is a broad brush description and not every flight on every route conforms to this pattern.
Load factors never tell us the yield or how successful a route or airline presence at an airport is. We can only assume that an airline's typical annual load factor is what sustains it and can get some rough idea (which might sometimes be way off beam because of circumstances not obvious and not made public), but certainly not a definitive view, of its network at an airport by how close that network is in load factors to the airline's overall performance across all its airports.
For the past ten years Flybe has seen annual load factors as low as 61.7% in 2011 to as high as 75.2% in 2015, with 2017 seeing 69.6%. Generally CWL loads are in line with this with some routes performing better than others which is the case with any airline at any airport.
As a comparison easyJet saw a load factor across its network of 92.6% in 2017 and Ryanair 94%. In the opposite direction bmi regional's load factor in 2016 (the last year for available figures) was 54.1%. Going right back to 1997 in previous ownerships they never got above 62% in any one year. So different airlines have different load models. easyJet/Ryanair are broadly pile 'em high and sell 'em cheap like a big supermarket whilst bmi regional's wares are far more expensive but they sell fewer of them. Fybe is somewhere in between. I emphasise this is a broad brush description and not every flight on every route conforms to this pattern.
Load factors never tell us the yield or how successful a route or airline presence at an airport is. We can only assume that an airline's typical annual load factor is what sustains it and can get some rough idea (which might sometimes be way off beam because of circumstances not obvious and not made public), but certainly not a definitive view, of its network at an airport by how close that network is in load factors to the airline's overall performance across all its airports.
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Looking on the arrivals and departures board on the website and it looks like Alitalia is codesharing with Flybe on a lot more routes, i've seen Alitalia flight numbers on Milan, Verona, Paris CDG and Dublin.
Also looking at their Dublin route for the weekend of the 21st April for the Scarlets Champions Cup game in Dublin the Saturday flight seems sold out as it's not onsale same with the Sunday return flights and the Friday flights are pretty expensive. Also Ryanair and the Irish fans seem pretty confident the Scarlets and Racing 92 won't be getting to the final in Bilbao as they've put on extra flights from Dublin to Bilbao already! Hopefully there will be a few disappointed Irishmen!
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/ryanair-add-extra-flights-champions-14496705
Also looking at their Dublin route for the weekend of the 21st April for the Scarlets Champions Cup game in Dublin the Saturday flight seems sold out as it's not onsale same with the Sunday return flights and the Friday flights are pretty expensive. Also Ryanair and the Irish fans seem pretty confident the Scarlets and Racing 92 won't be getting to the final in Bilbao as they've put on extra flights from Dublin to Bilbao already! Hopefully there will be a few disappointed Irishmen!
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/ryanair-add-extra-flights-champions-14496705
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I believe they are just using the avios platform and don't have their own frequent flyer scheme like flying blue or BA executive club. I expect it will move to a flybe frequent flyer scheme where you will have your own frequent flyer number and maybe even status benefits etc.
Although i hope there's an option to credit them to British Airways still - people before would probably see it as an incentive to fly flybe as they could send avios to BA executive club (myself included) via their avios account.
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Maintenance was performed on one of the E195 yesterday that went to Birmingham. It must have been short maintenance as the aircraft returned today. CWL is back to 2 x E195 and 1 x E175 temporarily until the permanent 1 x E195 & 2 x E175 schedule which I believe is at some point in June.
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G-FBEL was due to return today but never did according to the SWAG blog. Must be overrunning maintenance.
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Looking at Flybe today and it looks like CWL is back to 2 E195s and 1 E175. Also the DUS flight is on an E195 so should be plenty of room on that!
For the first time ever i believe CWL also has 3 scheduled departures to Italy on the same day as Geneva and Chambery have now ended and the Saturday Verona is back so Rome Venice and Verona on the same day.
For the first time ever i believe CWL also has 3 scheduled departures to Italy on the same day as Geneva and Chambery have now ended and the Saturday Verona is back so Rome Venice and Verona on the same day.
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Wednesday and Saturday
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Enjoy your trip!
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Yeah it does, hopefully Flybe will keep adding extra frequencies to routes and new routes, can't see where they'd go in Italy but it would be great if they added Bordeaux or maybe even Seville or Geneva go year round.
Would be great to hear your thoughts on what the new departure area looks like.
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CWL had 3x E175s operating todays schedule.
G-FBJB (E175) operated CWL-DUB-BHD-CWL-FAO-CWL-EDI-CWL (assume they put the DUB and BHD flights together?)
G-FBJI (E175) operated CWL-EDI-CWL-GLA-CWL-JER-CWL-BHD-CWL
G-FBJJ (E175) positioned BHX-CWL this morning to operate CWL-CDG-CWL-VRN-CWL-DUB-CWL before it will position back out to CWL-BHX this evening
G-FBEG (E195) positioned CWL-SOU this morning to operate the SOU sun routes
G-FBEJ (E195) left maintenance in EXT this afternoon and will position to BHX to operate a CDG return before positioning BHX-CWL this evening.
Therefore the base will be 2x E175s and 1x E195 as of this evening / tomorrow.
G-FBJB (E175) operated CWL-DUB-BHD-CWL-FAO-CWL-EDI-CWL (assume they put the DUB and BHD flights together?)
G-FBJI (E175) operated CWL-EDI-CWL-GLA-CWL-JER-CWL-BHD-CWL
G-FBJJ (E175) positioned BHX-CWL this morning to operate CWL-CDG-CWL-VRN-CWL-DUB-CWL before it will position back out to CWL-BHX this evening
G-FBEG (E195) positioned CWL-SOU this morning to operate the SOU sun routes
G-FBEJ (E195) left maintenance in EXT this afternoon and will position to BHX to operate a CDG return before positioning BHX-CWL this evening.
Therefore the base will be 2x E175s and 1x E195 as of this evening / tomorrow.
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Flybe have released the second part of their winter 2018/2019 schedule and i've noticed a few cuts in January.
Between the 12th January and 3rd February Milan and Munich don't seem to be onsale both operate 2 weekly on Monday and Friday.
Between 15th January and 6th February Belfast City goes down from 12 weekly to 10 weekly with no morning departures on Tuesday's and Wednesday's.
Between 9th January and 30th January Paris CDG goes down to 6 weekly losing the Wednesday flight.
Between 9th January and 3rd February Faro doesn't operate at all.
In January Glasgow seems to firstly go down to 5 weekly losing the Wednesday flights and then 4 weekly losing the Tuesday flights then it looks like it goes back to 5 weekly in February and 6 weekly in March.
From what i can see everything else seems unaffected.
Between the 12th January and 3rd February Milan and Munich don't seem to be onsale both operate 2 weekly on Monday and Friday.
Between 15th January and 6th February Belfast City goes down from 12 weekly to 10 weekly with no morning departures on Tuesday's and Wednesday's.
Between 9th January and 30th January Paris CDG goes down to 6 weekly losing the Wednesday flight.
Between 9th January and 3rd February Faro doesn't operate at all.
In January Glasgow seems to firstly go down to 5 weekly losing the Wednesday flights and then 4 weekly losing the Tuesday flights then it looks like it goes back to 5 weekly in February and 6 weekly in March.
From what i can see everything else seems unaffected.
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