Archive Flybe at Cardiff Airport

[Foxlimayankee]

Currently twice weekly is no good for business passengers. Daily still isn't ideal but is a lot better.
KL and SN will certainly benefit from it. SN were gaining the bigger ARJ anyway and it wouldn't surprise me if KL start putting mainline 737s on some of their flights. It was planned a few years ago but never materialised.

 

[Jerry]

I don't see where they would be able to fit in extra flights without dropping frequencies on other routes.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

I'd be surprised if they did increase Munich but it might help them get better loads and maybe keep the route going after September.
Will be interesting to see how KLM reacts at both airports!

I wonder whether there would be enough additional customers to enhance the CWL-MUC route on the back of flybmi's demise and the consequent loss of their BRS-MUC route.

As with flybmi's BRS-FRA many of the passengers were Lufthansa long-haul code share. Furthermore, flybmi's fares were very tasty for their sectors from BRS so it's not as if a lot of people to and from Wales were using that service to benefit from lower fares. It's true that the BRS-MUC flights as with BRS-FRA were multi-daily but for an enhanced Flybe CWL-MUC to work they would be looking at a significant number of passengers from the West Country who tend to be hard-wired into LHR if there is nothing they fancy or can use from BRS re scheduled services.

A LH code share with Flybe would be a different matter but, assuming the Virgin (and partners) purchase of Flybe goes ahead, the feeling on the street is that Virgin would mainly use their new airline as a feeder to their long-haul services. Would they be very keen on feeding a competitor airline's long haul?

I mentioned this yesterday in a BRS thread when a so-called expert told BBC TvNews that he thought that the new Virgin Flybe ailrine might take over some of the lost flybmi routes.

As for easyJet and their BRS-CDG route, they've shown no inclination to increase their single daily schedule going back a number rof years. That was probably what tempted flybmi to start their own BRS-CDG route. easyJet's BRS-CDG has sold out regularly for years and still did so when flybmi competed.

Flybe might pick up a few West Country travellers on their CWL-CDG route as there are two rotations per day on some days, although the timings don't permit a full day in France, and a full day in Wales is out of the question. Flybe will also operate EXT-CDG at 2 x daily this summer and although the timings from there give the chance for some sort of day in France (I'm thinking of business people mainly) it's hopeless for a day in South West England.

 

[Jerry]

I think Flybe might pick up a few stragglers but that's about it.

 

[Pontyboy]

I can't see them picking up many pax. BA and LH members fly with them to earn points and gain status with the airline. They won't fly with Flybe. Best to try and operate a better CDG schedule with a decent am and pm flight. I'd like to see GLA at double daily but the whole schedule come winter is anyones guess. Loganair could operate but it's not well known.

 

[Jerry]

News

20 February

Flybe boost to 2019 summer schedule from Cardiff

• Multi frequency daily flights to Dublin continue for summer
• Up to three flights a day to Edinburgh
• Added opportunity for global connections with long haul partners
• Summer schedule features 15 routes
• Total choice of up to 78 flights a week

Flybe, Europe’s largest regional airline, has confirmed a boost to its 2019 Summer schedule from Cardiff Airport with the continuation of its three times a day service to Dublin, increasing flights to three in each direction on Fridays with effect from 5th April 2019, resulting in customers having the choice of up to 15 flights a week to the Irish capital.
Not only does the extra flight provide additional capacity on this busy route, it also gives more flexibility to business travellers who are looking for an earlier flight home for the week-end; and also for leisure passengers who may prefer a slightly later departure if heading off for a more leisurely city break.
It will also provide additional opportunities for sports groups and those passengers connecting on to Flybe’s Aer Lingus codeshare services out of Dublin to Boston, Chicago, Hartford, Los Angeles, New York (JFK and Newark Liberty), Orlando, San Francisco, Toronto and Washington - and pre-clear US customs/immigration whilst in transit in Dublin.
Details of Flybe’s expanded 2019 Summer schedule: Cardiff (CWL) to Dublin (DUB)
Fridays
Dep CWL 0700 Arr DUB 0805 Dep DUB 0835 Arr CWL 0930
Dep CWL 1325 Arr DUB 1430 Dep DUB 1500 Arr CWL 1600 Summer continuation
Dep CWL 2045 Arr DUB 2150 Dep DUB 2220 Arr CWL 2320
The airline’s 2019 Summer schedule features 15 routes in total offering a choice of up to 78 flights a week, all available for booking at www.flybe.com
Other highlights of Flybe’s 2019 Summer schedule from Cardiff include:

• Up to two flights a day to Paris Charles de Gaulle
• Multi frequency flights to Belfast City and up to 3 flights a day to Edinburgh (Mon/Fri)
• Flights to key European destinations including Munich, Rome and Verona
• Extension of Chambery and Geneva ski routes through to mid-April
• Flybe franchise partner Eastern Airways has flights to Anglesey and Newcastle

Roy Kinnear, Flybe’s Chief Commercial Officer comments: “Our 2019 Summer programme from Cardiff Airport offers a comprehensive range of travel options and we look forward to welcoming more passengers on board our additional Friday flights to and from Dublin.
https://www.cardiff-airport.com/news/2019/02/20/flybe-boost-to-2019-summer-schedule-from-cardiff/

 

[Jerry]

Just thought i'd do a summary of what Flybe will be offering for Summer 2019.
Belfast City 11 weekly departures
Cork 2 weekly departures
Dublin 15 weekly departures
Edinburgh 17 weekly departures
Faro 4 weekly departures
Glasgow 5 weekly departures
Jersey 3 weekly departures
Milan MXP 2 weekly departures until 28th September
Munich 2 weekly departures until 6th September
Paris CDG 11 weekly departures
Rome FCO 2 weekly departures until 7th September
Venice 2 weekly departures until 7th September
Verona 2 weekly departures until 7th September
76 weekly flights. Goes down to 70 after the 7/9/19 and 68 after 28/9/19

 

[TheLocalYokel]

The airline’s 2019 Summer schedule features 15 routes in total offering a choice of up to 78 flights a week

How does this compare with summer 2018?

How many flights a day to BHD? The news release speaks of multi-frequency.

 

[Jerry]

How does this compare with summer 2018?

How many flights a day to BHD? The news release speaks of multi-frequency.

BHD is unchanged, as is DUB i think, EDI is +4, Faro is -1, Jersey -1, i think Munich is -1, Milan -1, Paris up 1 and of course TXL is gone and DUS which is -3 flights. I think it's 2 less weekly flights than last year altogether. 76 compared to 78.

 

[Jerry]

I had a look at the Flybe utilisation for the based aircraft. Updated with info that Liam posted.
Monday
E175 no 1
BHD 06.10-08.50
CDG 09.40-13.05
CDG 15.40-19.15
DUB 19.45-22.20
E175 no 2
DUB 07.00-09.35
MUC 10.05-14.50 gap after September
EDI 15.30-18.30
BHD 19.00-22.05
E175 no 3
EDI 07.00-10.00
GLA 10.50-13.50
JER 15.05-17.15
EDI 18.00-21.00
Tuesday
E175 no 1
BHD 06.10-08.50
CDG 09.40-13.05
FAO 13.40-19.35
DUB 20.20-21.25
E175 no 2
DUB 07.00-09.35
FCO 11.10-17.25 gap after September
EDI 18.00-21.00
E175 no 3
EDI 07.00-10.00
VCE 11.30-16.50 gap after September
BHD 19.00-22.05
Wednesday
E175 no 1
BHD 06.10-08.50
CDG 09.40-13.05
VRN 14.10-19.15 gap after September
EDI 19.45-22.45
E175 no 2
DUB 07.00-09.35
MXP 10.10-15.00 gap after the end of September
EDI 15.30-18.30
BHD 19.00-22.05
E175 no 3
EDI 07.00-10.00
GLA 10.50-13.50
CDG 15.40-19.15
DUB 19.50-22.25
Thursday
E175 no 1
BHD 06.10-08.50
CDG 09.40-13.05
EDI 15.55-18.55
DUB 19.45-22.20
E175 no 2
DUB 07.00-09.35
FAO 10.10-16.05
BHD 17.05-20.05
ORK 20.35-23.00
E175 no 3
EDI 07.00-10.00
GLA 10.50-13.50
DUB 14.35-17.10
EDI 18.00-21.00
Friday
E175 no 1
BHD 06.10-08.50
CDG 09.40-12.55
MUC 14.00-18.45 gap after September
BHD 19.15-22.05
E175 no 2
DUB 07.00-09.35
JER 10.25-12.35
DUB 13.25-16.00
EDI 16.55-19.55
DUB 20.45-23.20
E175 no 3
EDI 07.00-10.00
GLA 10.50-13.50
CDG 15.40-19.15
EDI 19.45-22.45
Saturday
E175 no 1
DUB 06.55-09.30
CDG 10.15-13.35
FAO 14.10-20.05
E175 no 2
FCO 07.00-13.15 aircraft not in use after September
VRN 15.25-20.35 MXP 14.35-19.25 for Saturdays in April instead of VRN
E175 no 3
VCE 06.30-11.40 aircraft not in use after September
MXP 12.40-17.30 GVA 12.55-17.20 for Saturdays in April

JER non based Q400 15.15-17.50
EDI non based Q400 11.10-14.15
Sunday
E175 no 1
GLA 08.05-11.25
EDI 11.55-14.55
DUB 15.55-18.50
E175 no 2
CDG 09.20-13.05
DUB 13.40-16.20
FAO 16.55-22.50
E175 no 3
DUB 09.15-12.10
ORK 12.40-15.05
CDG 16.15-19.50
EDI 20.20-23.20

 

[TheLocalYokel]

BHD is unchanged, as is DUB i think, EDI is +4, Faro is -1, Jersey -1, i think Munich is -1, Milan -1, Paris up 1 and of course TXL is gone and DUS which is -3 flights. I think it's 2 less weekly flights than last year altogether. 76 compared to 78.

Thanks Jerry. However, the news release mentions up to 78 flights in 2019. I posted my #1268 as you were posting your #1267 which actually answered part of my post.

 

[Jerry]

Thanks Jerry. However, the news release mentions up to 78 flights in 2019. I posted my #1268 as you were posting your #1267 which actually answered part of my post.

The only thing i can think of is that they are including Chambery and Geneva in April which are both 1 weekly each.

 

[Pontyboy]

So what happens in September? How come we lose Rome, Verona and Venice when they have been operating with high loads since the off. Also, on a Sunday, Aircraft 1 could easily do a BHD 19.30 - 22.00

 

[aviatorconcorde]

3 daily DUB and EDI are a welcome addition.

I can’t help feel Welsh Government are pulling the strings here though, why is Rome down to 2 weekly? It got to the point a couple of years back this route seemed to be doing so well we said daily could be an option for the future.

 

[Jerry]

So what happens in September? How come we lose Rome, Verona and Venice when they have been operating with high loads since the off.

The only things i can think of is that the yields aren't good enough or that Flybe wants to concentrate on routes closer to home or it's short of crews to operate them.

3 daily DUB and EDI are a welcome addition.

I can’t help feel Welsh Government are pulling the strings here though, why is Rome down to 2 weekly? It got to the point a couple of years back this route seemed to be doing so well we said daily could be an option for the future.

I believe for Flybe they must feel that DUB, EDI and CDG are where the money is. As for Rome it has always been 2 weekly. It would be a shame to lose it and the other Italian routes as well, though i was told that at the ACC meeting the airport said it wasn't confirmed that they would be going.

 

[CWL94]

A few confusing things for me for BE’s schedules for S19!

DUB is 3 daily on sundays from April up until June when it goes back to 2x daily throughout to the end of the schedule where the aircraft must sit idle as it’s a mid afternoon departure and 3 aircraft are required later that evening.

Also from April to June GLA on Sunday is operated by a GLA based dash. Although from June onwards the aircraft reverts to a CWL based 08:05 departure meaning the aircraft will sit idle up until its 11:55 flight to EDI

 

[Foxlimayankee]

3 daily DUB and EDI are a welcome addition.

I can’t help feel Welsh Government are pulling the strings here though, why is Rome down to 2 weekly? It got to the point a couple of years back this route seemed to be doing so well we said daily could be an option for the future.

Lets not forget the amount of truth in this statement. Some, if not all of these flights to do with Project Blackbird are effectively Cardiff Airport ltd/WG chartering the aircraft.

 

[Jerry]

A few confusing things for me for BE’s schedules for S19!

I just can't help but wonder if Flybe are short of crews so hence the confusion in the schedules.

 

[aviatorconcorde]

The only things i can think of is that the yields aren't good enough or that Flybe wants to concentrate on routes closer to home or it's short of crews to operate them.

I believe for Flybe they must feel that DUB, EDI and CDG are where the money is. As for Rome it has always been 2 weekly. It would be a shame to lose it and the other Italian routes as well, though i was told that at the ACC meeting the airport said it wasn't confirmed that they would be going.

I could of sworn Rome was more like 4 weekly, or was that Milan?

 

[Severn]

Based on this latest schedule update, and assuming the Flybe take-over doesn't change the schedule;
2019 will see 1 less flight per week during peak-summer than 2018, and 764 less departing seats per week vs 2018

The summary of the flybe schedule for August 2017, 2018 and 2019 is as follows:
2017: 81x departures / 8430x departing seats / 16x routes (2x E195, 1x DH8D based)
2018: 79x departures / 7608x departing seats / 16x routes (1x E195, 2x E175 based)
2019: 78x departures / 6844x departing seats / 13x routes (3x E175 based)
*(I haven't included the Eastern Airways flights to NCL/ABZ and VLY, although these have also seen a reduction in flights)

The current routes to be operated in August 2019 and their weekly frequency are as follows:

EDI - 17x weekly (+4 on 2018)
DUB - 15x weekly (+1 on 2018)
BHD - 11x weekly
CDG - 11x weekly (+1 on 2018)
GLA - 5x weekly
FAO - 4x weekly (-1 on 2018)
JER - 3x weekly
FCO - 2x weekly
MUC - 2x weekly
MXP - 2x weekly (-1 on 2018)
ORK - 2x weekly
VCE - 2x weekly
VRN - 2x weekly
Note: All flights are operated by E175 except 1x JER and 1x EDI which are operated by DH8D

Cancelled routes
GCI - operated 2x weekly AT75
TXL - operated 2x weekly E175
DUS - operated 1x weekly E175

Notes:
- EDI will see 292x and GLA 10x more departing seats per week.
- FAO, DUB and MXP see the biggest reduction in weekly departing seats (as do the 3x cancelled routes) however BHD, CDG, FCO, JER and ORK all also see less departing seats per week (due to equipment change or less flights).
- MUC, VCE and VRN remain the same.