Flybe

[Jerry]

On another note there is a video on You Tube called Fly Cardiff to Berlin and the amount of passengers on it wasn't good! It was posted on the 10th October so hopefully the loads have picked up since then!

 

[Jerry]

There is a rumor going about that CityJet will be flying the first 2 weeks of CWL-LCY. I've looked at the website and for the first 2 weeks there is no seating plan but from the third week there is one for a Q400. Rumoured CityJet aircraft is a RJ85.

This is apparently to give Flybe time to organise aircraft and crew for the route.

 

[marsh.ger]

The mystery of the gap filler between the London City flights seemed to have been resolved.

The aircraft will operate the Belfast City flights instead of it being the Belfast City based aircraft (Monday - Friday)

Monday - Friday
Cardiff 11:50 Belfast City 13:05
Belfast City 14:10 Cardiff 15:25

Saturday
Belfast City 07:55 Cardiff 09:10
Cardiff 13:05 Belfast City 14:20

Sunday
Belfast City 14:10 Cardiff 15:25
Cardiff 19:20 Belfast City 20:35

 

[Jerry]

Extra flights on Friday and Sunday for BHD Friday CWL-BHD 19.10-20.35 Sunday BHD-CWL 21.00-22.15

 

[marsh.ger]

Here is the Flybe Belfast City & London City schedule.


Monday

08:00 Cardiff London City 09:15
09:45 London City Cardiff 10:45
11:50 Cardiff Belfast City 13:05
14:10 Belfast City Cardiff 15:25
16:10 Cardiff London City 17:25
17:55 London City Cardiff 18:55

Tuesday

08:00 Cardiff London City 09:15
09:45 London City Cardiff 10:45
11:50 Cardiff Belfast City 13:05
14:10 Belfast City Cardiff 15:25
16:10 Cardiff London City 17:25
17:55 London City Cardiff 18:55

Wednesday

08:00 Cardiff London City 09:15
09:45 London City Cardiff 10:45
11:50 Cardiff Belfast City 13:05
14:10 Belfast City Cardiff 15:25
16:10 Cardiff London City 17:25
17:55 London City Cardiff 18:55

Thursday

08:00 Cardiff London City 09:15
09:45 London City Cardiff 10:45
11:50 Cardiff Belfast City 13:05
14:10 Belfast City Cardiff 15:25
16:10 Cardiff London City 17:25
17:55 London City Cardiff 18:55

Friday

08:00 Cardiff London City 09:15
09:45 London City Cardiff 10:45
11:50 Cardiff Belfast City 13:05
14:10 Belfast City Cardiff 15:25
16:10 Cardiff London City 17:25
17:55 London City Cardiff 18:55
19:20 Cardiff Belfast City 20:35

Saturday

07:55 Belfast City Cardiff 09:10
09:35 Cardiff London City 10:50
11:20 London City Cardiff 12:20
13:05 Cardiff Belfast City 14:20

Sunday

14:10 Belfast City Cardiff 15:25
16:10 Cardiff London City 17:25
17:55 London City Cardiff 18:55
19:20 Cardiff Belfast City 20:35
21:00 Belfast City Cardiff 22:15

 

[Jerry]

There was a suggestion on another forum that the Q400 will go CWL from the summer and that GLA will be fitted into that. Wondering if they could fit another route in if it gets based? Daily AMS?

 

[TheLocalYokel]

There was a suggestion on another forum that the Q400 will go CWL from the summer and that GLA will be fitted into that. Wondering if they could fit another route in if it gets based? Daily AMS?

Is this based on the assumption that the LCY route, assuming it continues next summer, will be operated by a CWL-based Q400 and crew (who will have to be qualified for the LCY approach)? Is it also based on the assumption that it will operate BHD as well as GLA?

 

[Jerry]

Is this based on the assumption that the LCY route, assuming it continues next summer, will be operated by a CWL-based Q400 and crew (who will have to be qualified for the LCY approach)? Is it also based on the assumption that it will operate BHD as well as GLA?

It was a reply to a question about GLA. And the poster said that it was his understanding that their would be a based Q400.
Flybe could continue the current process of over nighting from BHD and could operate GLA from GLA and include a ORK rotation once a week in that flight. Also if DUS comes back then they can operate it like last year with a BHX based Q400 flying via DUS. Nothing is certain but they are cutting LPL down by quite a lot from 4 daily to 5 weekly which could release an aircraft for CWL possibly. And the crews themselves could be continued to be rotated from BHD.

The fact that they are willing to continue the LCY flight and go through a lot of hassle in scheduling aircraft and crews from BHD to continue the route and wet lease a CityJet aircraft for the first 2 weeks of november to cover the LCY flight (which can't come cheap) suggests they see a future in the route and potentially Q400 ops out of CWL. But i'll guess we'll find out hopefully soon when they release the summer 17 for GLA and BHD.
And the CityJet wet lease made me wonder in the future when the E195's went back if the FAO, FCO, VRN and MXP flights could be operated on a Cityjet Sukhoi on Flybe's behalf?
Assuming CWL gets a Q400 base or a Flybe base at all!

 

[TheLocalYokel]

Interesting thoughts. Thanks for that.

 

[marsh.ger]

There are a lot of assumptions here however would it be cheaper in the longer term for Summer 2017 to base the aircraft at Cardiff and having Q400 pilots (LCY approved) at Cardiff. The cost of overnighting 8 crew in the hotel and associated transportation costs for this would no doubt impact the yield on the route.

It appears that the 08:00 is the quote departure time and therefore it makes it difficult for the aircraft to operate the 8 sector average that the E195 aircraft seems to do per day.

 

[Jerry]

It appears that the 08:00 is the quote departure time and therefore it makes it difficult for the aircraft to operate the 8 sector average that the E195 aircraft seems to do per day.

There would need to be CWL based crew for that i would've thought probably to operate a 19.30 departure to wherever. I'm guessing that the aircrew needs 11 hours off daily judging by the gap?

 

[Jerry]

Cityjet Avro RJ85 EI-RJO will be operating the LCY flight next week.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

Cityjet Avro RJ85 EI-RJO will be operating the LCY flight next week.

And the BHD? If not will the aircraft and crew sit on the ground at CWL for several hours?

According to Post 377 the daily diagram for the Flybe Q400 is CWL-LCY-CWL-BHD(change crews?)-CWL-LCY-CWL. Will the ARJ work this or will the BHD sectors be covered by a BHD-based Q400?

 

[Jerry]

And the BHD? If not will the aircraft and crew sit on the ground at CWL for several hours?

According to Post 377 the daily diagram for the Flybe Q400 is CWL-LCY-CWL-BHD(change crews?)-CWL-LCY-CWL. Will the ARJ work this or will the BHD sectors be covered by a BHD-based Q400?

No BHD will still be covered by a BHD aircraft until Monday the 14th when the times change and it's operated from CWL. So it looks like the Cityjet aircraft will just do the 2 LCY rotations a day.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

Thank you, Jerry.

 

[Jerry]

Flybe CAA Stats for August 2016

Belfast City 4357 average of 70 pax per flight LF 90%
Edinburgh 9647 average of 89 pax per flight LF 75%
Glasgow 4328 average of 80 pax per flight LF 68%
Jersey 2259 average of 86 pax per flight LF 86%
Paris CDG 4677 average of 75 pax per flight LF 64%
Dusseldorf 398 average of 50 pax per flight LF 64%
Munich 2565 average of 70 pax per flight LF 60%
Cork 1516 average of 84 pax per flight LF 71%
Dublin 10302 flown by 2 airlines
Milan MXP 3648 average of 101 per flight LF 86%
Verona 831 average of 104 per flight LF 88%
Faro 3501 average of 103 per flight LF 87%

Looks like a good month for Flybe with even DUS having decent average load. Milan is doing well and Verona has been a real success. Wonder if with MXP there are some coming from over the bridge? Also maybe next year could BHD or GLA go twice daily?
Hopefully Septembers numbers will come out soon.

 

[Jerry]

So this weeks RJ85 for the LCY route is provided by Jota Aviation and the aircraft is G-JOTR.

 

[Jerry]

Flybe Stats for September are out.
Belfast BHD 3638 average load 61 LF 78%
London City 3750 average load 38 LF 49%
Edinburgh 8005 average load 77 LF 65%
Glasgow 3648 average load 70 LF 59%
Jersey 1863 average load 71 LF 60%
Paris CDG 4066 average load 68 LF 58%
Dusseldorf 378 average load 47 LF 61%
Munich 2355 average load 84 LF 71%
Cork 675 average load 42 LF 36%
Dublin 8638 (flown by Flybe and Aer Lingus)
Milan 2885 average load 111 LF 94%
Verona 784 average load 98 LF 83%
Faro 3794 average load 112 LF 95%

 

[Aviador]

London City and Cork figures seem a little disappointing but on the whole I don't think they look too bad.

 

[Jerry]

London City and Cork figures seem a little disappointing but on the whole I don't think they look too bad.

Cork has always been generally low i think people are surprised Flybe still fly it. They must see promise in the yields for LCY for them to trial it through the winter.