The airport was debated in the Senedd yesterday. I haven't listened to it all but it starts around 2 hours 46 minutes.
http://www.senedd.tv/Meeting/Clip/1...576a467a2c?inPoint=00:00:00&outPoint=08:50:35
I watched the Senedd plenary session where CWL was discussed.

The consensus across all political parties seemed to be:

1. They support the growth of the airport, albeit through different ways, i.e. the Conservatives want it privatised.

2. It is a vital facility for the nation, although there was some concern by the Conservatives as to how the debt could be repaid, and some AMs seemed think that having an airport is as much a status symbol for the country as it is for what it provides.

3. Continuing denial of APD devolution cannot be justified when all other nations of the UK have the power. I didn’t know that. I thought that Northern Ireland only had it for long haul, not that it’s done them any good, and that England was subject to Westminster where MPs from all the UK countries have a say.

Other points that I noted include:

The minister (Mr Skates) emphasised that if the WG had not purchased the airport in 2013 it would have closed. The previous FM said much the same in the past but it’s difficult to know whether that is the truth or a justification for the WG under Labour for purchasing the airport.

He also said they have stress-tested the financial strength of CWL against the collapse of Flybe. In 2018 the collapse of Flybe would have had devastating consequences on the airport but because of diversification since then that is not the case today. Anybody with the slightest interest in the subject knows that the reason for Flybe’s presence being lower at the time of collapse than in 2018 was nothing to do with diversification. It was simply a restructuring of the airline following the new owners’ takeover leaving CWL with fewer routes and flights than hitherto was the case, ergo Flybe’s percentage was a lower percentage of the whole.

Another AM who had been on the airport committee when CWL was in local authority hands blamed the decision to move CWL into the private sector in 1995 for allowing BRS to flourish to the detriment of CWL. The fact that CWL’s best ever year - 2007 when it handled 2.1 mppa - saw the airport still under private sector ownership was ignored by everyone, including the Conservative AMs.

Perhaps the most bizarre comment of the entire plenary session was one AM’s assertion, when saying that CWL was better placed to survive the current coronavirus scare than many airports, that a major advantage is the airport’s ‘fantastically long runway’, longer than that at BRS or BHX. Why let facts get in the way when you want to make a point unsupported by them? At the last count BHX’s runway was over 600 metres longer than CWL’s whose own runway is not ‘fantastically long’ at all; it’s longer than BRS’s ski jump but certainly not a long one in the overall list of UK airport runways.

Nothing was said by anyone to disabuse the AM of this notion. She also mentioned BAMC as underpinning CWL. She might have mentioned, and this is not intended to be cynical, that because CWL has fewer routes and flights and handles fewer passengers than many airports, that might be a good reason for it being affected less than some other airports.

It was particularly amusing because in his summing up the minister warned against ‘using carefully selected statistics’ designed to ‘skewer’ the future of the airport. It seems it's all right to use them when arguing the other way.

The minister reiterated the current administration’s policy of retaining the airport in public control although they are still not against private sector involvement in a minority stake.

Although I'm not the biggest fan of politicians (of any party) I was impressed by the collective will at the plenary session to get behind the airport, even though there were different views across the parties as to how it should be achieved.
 
With BAs fleet more or less grounded from tomorrow could we see some aircraft parked up Cardiff due to a lack of space at Heathrow?
 
Maybe it’s because of my involvement with the aviation side but with with many thousands of people about to be laid off or even made redundant the last thing I am concerned with is where aircraft are possibly going to be parked. The UK government talking of mortgage holidays is all well & good but no income at all isn’t going to buy food & pay other bills. Let’s have a little bit of reality & concern for the seriousness of this situation. Please!!
 
Maybe it’s because of my involvement with the aviation side but with with many thousands of people about to be laid off or even made redundant the last thing I am concerned with is where aircraft are possibly going to be parked. The UK government talking of mortgage holidays is all well & good but no income at all isn’t going to buy food & pay other bills. Let’s have a little bit of reality & concern for the seriousness of this situation. Please!!
I'm well aware of the seriousness of the situation. 10s of thousands of people will lose their jobs, 10s of thousands of people are cut off from loved ones and are worried that they could infect their more frail relatives just by being near to them. 1000s have and will die and thousands more will get infected and become seriously ill and there's a good chance I may be one of them.
I'm sorry if my avgeek curiosity upsets anyone in any way.
 
It’s very difficult to pull someone up on an Aviation-based forum when they’re talking about Aviation related matters.

No doubt, the aviation industry worldwide is now facing probably the biggest crisis ever (And is likely to get a lot worse before it gets anywhere near better). This extends far deeper than aviation, this sort of crisis/event has the potential to change the way we live for a significant period of time as a species. I’ve had a high-level briefing in the last couple of days with my current employers, and a lot of hard times are ahead. Everyone stay as safe as possible, i’m happy to join the brigade slating the UK Government’s current approach to this virus, it’s shambolic.

Back to aviation related matters. This will (not may) end in tears for many employed throughout airports, airlines and the hospitality industry across the world.
 
I think that we all need to stop and think before we add posts more or less predicting the end of civilisation as we know it.
There is obviously a hard and unpredictable time ahead but to call a government policy a shambles and then change your mind less than 20 minutes later suggests an almost panic.
Please think before you act, reports suggest that the situation in Wuhan is improving. We need to keep calm and heed the advice of the experts and act accordingly
 
That's half the issue. With social media, everyone is an expert. Too many opinions, not enough facts. Everyone just needs to calm down and try and retain some optimism.
It is going to be a very tough few weeks or even months, but everyone just needs to tighten their belts and hope the government will do everything in their power to help people and businesses ride the storm. Regardless of who we support, believe or trust, theres no way the government will let the country fall in the way some 'sofa experts' are predicting.
 
All people can really do is heed the guidelines that the government has put down ie wash hands often. Eventually whether in a month or a year the virus will no doubt pass or there'll be a vaccine. There will be disruption and sadly a lot of people will die but civilisation as we know it will recover and carry on.
 
So far with the exception of Loganair GLA reductions that I noted before and TUI I can't find any reductions from the other airlines that operate into Cardiff. Obviously though its an ever changing situation so could well be different tomorrow.
 
The diversity of airlines, which CWL officers stated was their aim, before the public accounts committee, well may be the correct decision. However in this ever changing world we are in at the moment, the aviation sector is in a downward spiral, we can only hope for the best in the near future.
 
There's definitely going to be challenging years ahead for the airport in trying to keep airlines and stop them retrenching to the big airports and to persuade them and potentially new airlines to take up the lost Flybe routes or in Edinburgh's case reinstate the previous frequency of the route but I think because of the Welsh governments ownership it has that stability of a committed owner that'll help it survive this crisis and keep investment in the airport going.
 
I agree with you Jerry, there are a lot of airports around at the moment ,that would dearly love to have the backing of a government behind them.
 
Some airports (and airlines) might not make it through the crisis. Obviously that depends on how long the virus holds the world to ransom and what help governments around the world are prepared to provide. That will be the key as to how quickly the industry can begin to get back to some semblance of normality. It might take a year or two to achieve that, then a number of years after that to put airlines and airports back to the position they were in at the beginning of this year.

Looking at the UK I've long believed that there are too many airports and many are poorly sited into the bargain. It's usually a legacy of early 20th Century civic pride where cities wanted their own airport, together with many former military airfields becoming available post WW2.

This wholly unwanted virus might though be the means whereby a shakeout of airports is brought about.

I agree that CWL is in an advantageous position because it's clear that all parties at the Senedd are determined to have a national airport. Not that CWL could ever be truly that because it's sited at one end of the country which makes it impossible for most people in North Wales to regard it as their default airport and turn mainly to MAN.

Listening to the plenary session last week I was struck by not only the desire of everyone to have an airport in Wales for connectivity and economic purposes, but also for status. That was best illustrated by one AM's remark that it's wrong to have important people visting Wales arriving via an airport in England.

Therefore I suspect that the WG will be prepared to provide as much financial backing as it judges necessary for CWL to recover whilst private sector airports in England might be asking for some sort of governmental support, though probably not direct funding which I imagine they would be unlikely to receive.

By then EU state aid rules aren't likely to apply so the devolved governments might well have a free hand in the type of action they take, and Westminster might well be happy to let them get on with it.
 
Just read the below on twitter, no suprise really.

"Just spoke to a friend who is losing her job tomorrow, Cardiff airport is laying people off left right and center, my hubby's business is teetering on folding. sh*t is getting real!"
 
Hoping for the best but preparing for the worst. My company has just made working from home mandatory and access to our office will be stopped next week.

Tesco’s tonight, the shelves and freezers had been cleared with steph exhausted and stressed out. I couldn’t buy paracetamol, nor Calpol.

Panic really has set in, when it’s only the vulnerable that really need to worry. If you are generally healthy your chances are very good.

I can’t see people wanting To go down to tesco soon, let alone use airports and airlines.
 
I'd take Twitter with a pinch of salt. Everyone is an expert and knows everything, told to them by the cats mothers cousin.
I cant imagine CWL laying people off 'left right and centre' as eventually when things pick up again they will need the staff. Having to employ new staff would mean training requirements as well as hiring and training costs.
Like most other Airlines and Airports there will almost certainly be reduced hours, unpaid leave, some job losses.

A similar post was made on DSA's forum, and then it was outright denied by the Airport.
 
I don’t know if it’s just me, but BA have seemed to have parked the very youngest of their 747 fleet down at Cardif (late G-CIV* series and G-BYG* series) Not sure if that’s a coincidence or there’s something more to it.
If they are going to be the last ones to go then they may just want to get the most use out of the other aircraft before they send them back. It is interesting though that unlike KLM they don't seem to be bringing forward any retirements so far.
 

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