Doncaster Sheffield - General Thread

[pug]

The perishables hub at HUY that opened last year was publically funded

Using that example, everything that is publicly funded will fail...

I agree though, at least MAG is publicly owned in a sense, Peel just seem to be able to charm anyone (when they're looking for a buyer)

 

[pug]

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« Previous « PreviousNext » Next »View GalleryPublished Date: 07 January 2010
By Staff Copy
FRESH talks will be held next week over proposals to loosen restrictions on night flying at Doncaster's Robin Hood Airport.
Bosses at the airport have this week re-submitted a consultation document to Doncaster Council’s planning department to modify the night flying restrictions imposed on them.

Following discussions with the airport and consultation with interested p
ADVERTISEMENTarties and residents Peel Airports has submitted revised consultation documents that replace the documents put forward for consideration in January last year.

Currently a ban exists on the noisier aircraft, known as QC4s, flying in and out of the airport at night. The consultation documents seek to amend the number and types of planes that may operate at night.

The document proposes that the aircraft which make the most noise - QC8s and QC16s - will not be allowed to operate at night from the airport. The number of QC4 aircraft is proposed to be limited to 100 movements a year.

Robin Hood Airport director Mike Morton said the airport wants to ease the restrictions because it would give them more chance of attracting freight operators.

He hopes it could lead to 440 jobs being created in airfreight by 2016.

Mr Morton said: “It would mean more revenue for the airport and for the local region there are huge job opportunities on the back of these businesses coming in.”

Letters have been sent to interested parties, such as parish and town councils, and residents who have previously objected to the proposal. Neighbouring authorities will also be consulted.

The consultation period closes on January 25, although comments will be accepted and taken into account until the application goes before the council’s planning committee early in February.

The noise restrictions imposed on the airport are part of an agreement determined when planning permission for the airport was granted.

Deputy mayor and chairman of the airport noise committee Coun Patricia Schofield said she would be meeting airport officials, planning officers and Mayor Peter Davies next week to discuss the latest document.

She has been a voice against the moves to relax restrictions and says she still has reservations about allowing noisier aircraft to fly at night.

She said: “They are saying it is only going to be two a week of the noisier aircraft. The concern is if that is the tip of the iceberg.”

n Residents wishing to submit their views should do so in writing to Robin Hood Airport Consultation, Directorate of Development, Development and Planning, Colonnades, Duke Street, Doncaster, DN1 1ER

 

[Aviador]

I understand this is the second time they have applied for this? I guess it depends on the type of aircraft they are planning to operate during the night. A Boeing 737-300 is significantly quieter than a Boeing 747. If the airport is wanting permission so any type of aircraft can land or depart during the night they will almost certainly come up against some opposition. On the otherhand, if they impose some restrictions banning the noisiest aircraft then they may get permission granted.

 

[White Heather]

I think you are right and they have tried this before and were refused. They were courting a freight operator who ended up at Nottingham East Midlands, if I recall correctly. It may have been UPS.

However, a limit of 100 flights a year is hardly going to do much in terms of setting up an air freight business, and I can't see how only 2 freight flights per week is going to result in 440 jobs by 2016. It will be interesting to see what the local authority decide to do. Peel are timing this to co-incide with the current high unemployment so as to give them the moral high ground and put added pressure on the local authority to change the restrictions.

 

[eastcoaster]

Could this be the way forward for Peels other airport - DSA?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8457495.stm

 

[pug]

There was a rumour that Peel were going to close half of the terminal to cut overheads... Im not so sure now after the EZY announcement though...

It is clear this is what they are doing to MME, i assume it will only be opened when there is a charter flight which seems rare these days, meaning ony a small bit of the building needs to be open all the time for the business flights. This would cut the need for jobs staight away. Sad news for MME anyway.

 

[yorkshire]

If the rumour was true and donny did closed half of the terminal building it would put me off flying from there and i bet a lot other passengers as well . but saying that i wouldnt go from there anyway!

 

[pug]

I canr see it happening now anyway with the 'revived confidence' after EZY announcing routes.

It is clear that Peel are mothballing half of the terminal and that is a bad sign. I cant see them doing it at DSA for some time but if they do then i would seriously ask questions.

 

[Aviador]

[textarea]Council approve Robin Hood Airport night flight changes

Doncaster Council’s Planning Committee has approved variations to planning conditions at Robin Hood Airport that previously restricted certain categories of aircraft from operating from the airport at night. The changes mean up to 100 bigger, noisier aircraft will be allowed to operate at the airport at night each year, however the overall night flight noise limits have been cut.

Aircraft can be categorised in terms of noise by a ‘Quota Count’ system and the airport's original planning consent when it opened almost 5 years ago set a limit, or noise quota, for the amount of night time noise permitted in a year. Within this limit, noisier Quota Count 4 (QC4) aircraft - used by some freight companies - and above, were not permitted to operate during the night between 23:00 and 07:00. These restrictions have meant the airport was unable to attract key cargo operators who need the flexibility to operate flights with QC4 aircraft from the airport at night.

In addition to approving the airport’s proposal to lift the current QC4 aircraft restriction, the Council also approved proposals put forward by the airport to reduce the overall annual quota count limit by 26% and to restrict numbers of QC4 aircraft movements at night to a maximum of 100 per year. The airport also agreed a complete ban on all much noisier QC8 and QC16 aircraft – bringing tighter controls on the noisiest aircraft.

Robin Hood Airport sees this decision as vital if it is to capitalise on the opportunities to grow its air freight business, which it says has the potential to create up to 440 jobs and bring a further welcome boost to the local economy.

Source[/textarea]

 

[pug]

Interesting, balanced article here

http://www.centreforaviation.com/news/2 ... orts/page1

 

[Aviador]

So the article indicates that the deal is almost done but the writer of the article also has reservations about what the deal entails. Who would want to take an airport group on that is losing so much money?

 

[backtrack]

An Antonov A225 (the biggest aircraft in the world) landed at DSA earlier this evening, to pick up a massive generator to take to Pakistan in the morning. It is scheduled to depart at 0800.

 

[White Heather]

That would have been good to see I must say. The depature would add to an otherwise very quiet day today at DSA, with the first arrival shown as 1800 from Paphos - and a total of 3 arrivals all day.

 

[Seasider]

I wonder if anyone can help. Last week on departure we took off on 20, then turned north west towards Manchester before turning south and ended up with a 2 hr 45 min flight. Coming back today we landed again on 20 even though it was a North East wind. It seems to me that these are funny departure/arrivals tracks.

 

[Aviador]

I wonder if anyone can help. Last week on departure we took off on 20, then turned north west towards Manchester before turning south and ended up with a 2 hr 45 min flight. Coming back today we landed again on 20 even though it was a North East wind. It seems to me that these are funny departure/arrivals tracks.

Hi Seasider

I could be wrong but I think this might be something to do with the ILS at Doncaster. I think they only have ILS on runway 20. LVPs or the general visibility could have also been a factor. No doubt someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[backtrack]

I wonder if anyone can help. Last week on departure we took off on 20, then turned north west towards Manchester before turning south and ended up with a 2 hr 45 min flight. Coming back today we landed again on 20 even though it was a North East wind. It seems to me that these are funny departure/arrivals tracks.

It will be a standard procedure out of DSA.

These procedures are known as SID's (Standard Instrument Departures) and ensure aircraft strictly follow certain flight paths out of aerodromes. They are set to avoid noise abatement rules and manage aicraft leaving and entering the busy TMA's above aerodromes up to 3000ft amsl.

Sometimes these SID's can be `altered` temporarily to deal with new levels of noise during certain times of the day or for nearby ongoing activities for example. Or, sometimes aircraft are even given SVFR's (Special VFR routings) to follow untill they get above transition altitude and into the airways, which are specific instructions given by ATC for a single aircraft. Unfortunately, i am not familiar with the SID's out of DSA so am unable to comment regarding those specific ones, but hope to have given you an idea, as to the whys and whens of your departure.

 

[Seasider]

Thanks for the info. I know aircraft don't fly in straight lines, but in addition to the extra time there must be an extra cost. Could this be a reason why flights from DSA tend to be a little more expensive? I will have to try and get some charts for DSA.

 

[White Heather]

I think that it is likely that as with LBA, flights down to the South (inc France and Spain) tend to be routed across to Manchester, usually turning over the Wirral, and then down the centre of Wales, heading over the Severn Estuary, across Devon, and crossing the channel in the vicinity of Jersey. Every flight I have taken down to Spain has operated that way as the main North South airlane is over to the west. Even Heathrow flights operated that way. Coming back often operates a very similar route, but slightly further West (my last flight from Malaga into LBA on Jet2 flew right up to Preston before turning East to LBA, giving us a very good view of Blackpool), or they sometime get clearance to over fly London and head straight up the centre of the country, more or less following the M1. I have flown that way too with a perfect view of the Millenium dome, similar to that seen in the opening titles of Eastenders.

I am sure that your flight paths will have been to fit in with the normal flight paths in use.

 

[Bigman]

The last time I flew to Malaga, we routed Wallasey-Brecon-Berry Head (near Torquay)-Monts deAree in Normandy, over Biscay and came over Spain near Santander. Pretty much a straight line South from Liverpool.

 

[pilot_737]

seasider, here you go
Standard Instrument Departure
http://www.nats-uk.ead-it.com/aip/curre ... 6-1_en.pdf

Standard Terminal Arrival Route (from the South)
http://www.nats-uk.ead-it.com/aip/curre ... 7-2_en.pdf