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Road, Rail & Access
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I wasnt having a go at you mate, just some people may not see the info on this page.
I appreciate your posting very much.
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I wasnt having a go at you mate, just some people may not see the info on this page.
I appreciate your posting very much.
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I'm sure a train service throughout the night would be of benefit to many who arrive off flights in the early hours. I wonder though if someone was to jump on a train to New Street at 02:00 how long would they then need to wait for a connection to their final destination?
Full article: http://thebirminghampress.com/2015/06/c ... rnational/
I'm sure a train service throughout the night would be of benefit to many who arrive off flights in the early hours. I wonder though if someone was to jump on a train to New Street at 02:00 how long would they then need to wait for a connection to their final destination?
Full article: http://thebirminghampress.com/2015/06/c ... rnational/
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I actually dont think we need a 24 hour service, especially during the winter months when usually the runway isnt even operational for a couple of months, however they definately need to operate that little bit longer, maybe until 1 or 2 am in the morning. This is now even more important when Resorts world opens or there is a big concert on at the LG arena. Its a joke when you leave a show at 11.30pm and there are no more trains running, this is a joke.
24 hour public transport is getting better, did you know Brum now has 3 24 hour bus routes.
97 City to Chelmsley Wood /Airport/NEC
50 City to Moseley/Kings Heath
74 City to West Bromwich
This is good news and a step in the right direction. :hatsoff:
I actually dont think we need a 24 hour service, especially during the winter months when usually the runway isnt even operational for a couple of months, however they definately need to operate that little bit longer, maybe until 1 or 2 am in the morning. This is now even more important when Resorts world opens or there is a big concert on at the LG arena. Its a joke when you leave a show at 11.30pm and there are no more trains running, this is a joke.
24 hour public transport is getting better, did you know Brum now has 3 24 hour bus routes.
97 City to Chelmsley Wood /Airport/NEC
50 City to Moseley/Kings Heath
74 City to West Bromwich
This is good news and a step in the right direction. :hatsoff:
Brummiegem
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Re: Road, Rail & Access Issues
I totally agree with Brum X on this one.
Drifting very slightly on this subject,anyone travelling to the London area for a show or sporting event in the evening will know how difficult it can be to get back for a reasonable time.So I believe a later operating time would be beneficial to passengers in both directions.
As for the buses,i would have thought that the 900 would be a good service to go 24hr as well.
I totally agree with Brum X on this one.
Drifting very slightly on this subject,anyone travelling to the London area for a show or sporting event in the evening will know how difficult it can be to get back for a reasonable time.So I believe a later operating time would be beneficial to passengers in both directions.
As for the buses,i would have thought that the 900 would be a good service to go 24hr as well.
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Re: Road, Rail & Access Issues
Is that all of the 24 hour bus services we have left? Three? :shok:
During my 'clubbing' days all of Birmingham's main arterial routes had 24 hour services. They were godsend if you happened to spend your taxi fare on an extra pint or two
I agree with Brummiegem about the 900. On the odd occasion I've driven along the Meadway in the early hours the 97 has always had people on it.
Is that all of the 24 hour bus services we have left? Three? :shok:
During my 'clubbing' days all of Birmingham's main arterial routes had 24 hour services. They were godsend if you happened to spend your taxi fare on an extra pint or two
I agree with Brummiegem about the 900. On the odd occasion I've driven along the Meadway in the early hours the 97 has always had people on it.
Re: Road, Rail & Access Issues
Showing your age now ray, he he he
Until the 97 Night bus was launched last summer, Brum did not have night buses. The last weekend only "night buses" ran in about 2009. And now they are 24/7 and not just at weekends and also the fares are the same as in the daytime. I remember those clubbing night buses too and i used to think was a "scam" charging £1.50 to get back home when the bus fare during the day was about 90p, LOL
Ray Finkle said:Is that all of the 24 hour bus services we have left? Three? :shok:
During my 'clubbing' days all of Birmingham's main arterial routes had 24 hour services. They were godsend if you happened to spend your taxi fare on an extra pint or two
I agree with Brummiegem about the 900. On the odd occasion I've driven along the Meadway in the early hours the 97 has always had people on it.
Showing your age now ray, he he he
Until the 97 Night bus was launched last summer, Brum did not have night buses. The last weekend only "night buses" ran in about 2009. And now they are 24/7 and not just at weekends and also the fares are the same as in the daytime. I remember those clubbing night buses too and i used to think was a "scam" charging £1.50 to get back home when the bus fare during the day was about 90p, LOL
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I sure am, I'm 40 in a couple of weeks
I didn't realise the night services had been cut. I can remember the days when I could get the bus into town, entry into a nightclub, five cans of Red Stripe and the bus home for around £10
Add another zero on to that and it wouldn't cover a night out nowadays
I sure am, I'm 40 in a couple of weeks
I didn't realise the night services had been cut. I can remember the days when I could get the bus into town, entry into a nightclub, five cans of Red Stripe and the bus home for around £10
Add another zero on to that and it wouldn't cover a night out nowadays
Jon Dempsey
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Re: Road, Rail & Access Issues
Youngster Mr Finkle!!
I disagree with the general consensus about the rail service though.
If you fly out during the morning rush-hour and need to get to the check-in desk early, it is difficult to get to the airport if you are not local. I believe the airport company has been pushing to get overnight services as Birmingham will be able to service more of the London demand. - There are more than a few business travellers who use Birmingham rather than the London airports because of the hassle of getting to Heathrow / Gatwick / Stansted / Luton. If Birmingham is easier to get to, it will attract more of these pax.
Youngster Mr Finkle!!
I disagree with the general consensus about the rail service though.
If you fly out during the morning rush-hour and need to get to the check-in desk early, it is difficult to get to the airport if you are not local. I believe the airport company has been pushing to get overnight services as Birmingham will be able to service more of the London demand. - There are more than a few business travellers who use Birmingham rather than the London airports because of the hassle of getting to Heathrow / Gatwick / Stansted / Luton. If Birmingham is easier to get to, it will attract more of these pax.
Public transport boost for GREATER BIRMINGHAM
This will be fantastic if the region can secure all this funding.
Metro, train and bus links to HS2 stations unveiled in £1.6bn transport package
A £1.6 billion programme to radically improve public transport links with the planned high speed rail network is set to be approved by West Midlands council leaders, reports Paul Dale.
Twenty local train, metro and bus projects will make it easier for passengers to reach HS2 stations in Birmingham city centre and at the NEC/Birmingham Airport in the biggest boost to the region’s transportation for years.
A meeting of the West Midlands Integrated Transport Authority will tomorrow (June 24) back the HS2 connectivity programme ahead of a period of public consultation over the summer.
The pace of delivering the programme and the budget implications will form part of devolution discussions the shadow West Midlands combined authority intends to hold with the Government.
Key schemes include:
Midland Metro tram line from Birmingham Curzon HS2 station to the NEC/Birmingham Airport via Eastside and Chelmsley Wood – £470 million.
Camp Hill Chords rail improvements providing additional capacity into central Birmingham on non-HS2 corridors, and providing south Birmingham, Tamworth, Nuneaton, Leicester, Hereford, Bristol and Cardiff with direct access into Birmingham Moor St Station and HS2 Curzon St Station – £240 million.
Water Orton local rail improvements addressing a significant capacity bottleneck to meet future passenger and freight growth demands and support the introduction of new local rail services between Birmingham Moor St Station, North Solihull, Tamworth, Burton and Nuneaton.
Reinstatement of Snow Hill platform four – £21 million.
Extension of the Midland Metro line from Line 1 in Wednesbury through to Brierley Hill, via Tipton, Dudley town centre and Merry Hill – £310 million.
Sprint bus routes from Solihull UK Central to Coventry and Longbridge to Birmingham Curzon – £99 million.
Bus rapid transit schemes from Birmingham city centre to Walsall along the A34, from Birmingham city centre to Bartley Green and from Coleshill Parkway to the HS2 interchange station at the NEC/Birmingham airport – £97 million.
Bus rapid transit scheme from Warwick to NEC/Birmingham Airport HS2 interchange – £44 million.
Shrewsbury to Wolverhampton rail line electrification – £60 million.
A report to the ITA by Laura Shoaf, strategic director of policy and strategy, recognises the importance of delivering radically improved national and international connectivity.
HS2 will release significant additional capacity which will to help deliver transformational connectivity between our towns and cities, thus unlocking appreciable economic benefits and facilitating access to local jobs and training.
The development of transport infrastructure and associated regeneration will import significant further benefits which are critical in supporting the HS2 Growth Strategy. Further, given the role of connectivity in delivering strategic economic sites and assets, and key local infrastructure including housing and employment sites, we would expect it to play a fundamental role in any future devolution deal with Government.
The connectivity programme is focused on our four connectivity strands and target actions over the short, medium and long term as we plan for the positive impact of HS2 including Phase 2 across the region and the UK generally.
Our focused approach to forward planning and investment will effectively demonstrate our commitment to ensuring that the Midlands is HS2 ready.
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This will be fantastic if the region can secure all this funding.
Metro, train and bus links to HS2 stations unveiled in £1.6bn transport package
A £1.6 billion programme to radically improve public transport links with the planned high speed rail network is set to be approved by West Midlands council leaders, reports Paul Dale.
Twenty local train, metro and bus projects will make it easier for passengers to reach HS2 stations in Birmingham city centre and at the NEC/Birmingham Airport in the biggest boost to the region’s transportation for years.
A meeting of the West Midlands Integrated Transport Authority will tomorrow (June 24) back the HS2 connectivity programme ahead of a period of public consultation over the summer.
The pace of delivering the programme and the budget implications will form part of devolution discussions the shadow West Midlands combined authority intends to hold with the Government.
Key schemes include:
Midland Metro tram line from Birmingham Curzon HS2 station to the NEC/Birmingham Airport via Eastside and Chelmsley Wood – £470 million.
Camp Hill Chords rail improvements providing additional capacity into central Birmingham on non-HS2 corridors, and providing south Birmingham, Tamworth, Nuneaton, Leicester, Hereford, Bristol and Cardiff with direct access into Birmingham Moor St Station and HS2 Curzon St Station – £240 million.
Water Orton local rail improvements addressing a significant capacity bottleneck to meet future passenger and freight growth demands and support the introduction of new local rail services between Birmingham Moor St Station, North Solihull, Tamworth, Burton and Nuneaton.
Reinstatement of Snow Hill platform four – £21 million.
Extension of the Midland Metro line from Line 1 in Wednesbury through to Brierley Hill, via Tipton, Dudley town centre and Merry Hill – £310 million.
Sprint bus routes from Solihull UK Central to Coventry and Longbridge to Birmingham Curzon – £99 million.
Bus rapid transit schemes from Birmingham city centre to Walsall along the A34, from Birmingham city centre to Bartley Green and from Coleshill Parkway to the HS2 interchange station at the NEC/Birmingham airport – £97 million.
Bus rapid transit scheme from Warwick to NEC/Birmingham Airport HS2 interchange – £44 million.
Shrewsbury to Wolverhampton rail line electrification – £60 million.
A report to the ITA by Laura Shoaf, strategic director of policy and strategy, recognises the importance of delivering radically improved national and international connectivity.
HS2 will release significant additional capacity which will to help deliver transformational connectivity between our towns and cities, thus unlocking appreciable economic benefits and facilitating access to local jobs and training.
The development of transport infrastructure and associated regeneration will import significant further benefits which are critical in supporting the HS2 Growth Strategy. Further, given the role of connectivity in delivering strategic economic sites and assets, and key local infrastructure including housing and employment sites, we would expect it to play a fundamental role in any future devolution deal with Government.
The connectivity programme is focused on our four connectivity strands and target actions over the short, medium and long term as we plan for the positive impact of HS2 including Phase 2 across the region and the UK generally.
Our focused approach to forward planning and investment will effectively demonstrate our commitment to ensuring that the Midlands is HS2 ready.
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Good stuff and well needed as public transport in this region is well short of where it should be.
Regarding BHX I'm not sure how popular a Metro line through Eastside and Chelmsley Wood to the airport would be as, assuming it runs along Bordesley, it pretty much parallels the heavy rail line which can get you from Central Birmingham to BHX in 10-15 mins. I guess it would come in handy for local workers though especially if it stops at Birmingham Business Park.
Rapid Transit between BHX and Warwick could prove popular, even better if Stratford could be included.
I'm surprised there is no mention of the Whitacre Link which could open up so much more rail access for BHX.
Good stuff and well needed as public transport in this region is well short of where it should be.
Regarding BHX I'm not sure how popular a Metro line through Eastside and Chelmsley Wood to the airport would be as, assuming it runs along Bordesley, it pretty much parallels the heavy rail line which can get you from Central Birmingham to BHX in 10-15 mins. I guess it would come in handy for local workers though especially if it stops at Birmingham Business Park.
Rapid Transit between BHX and Warwick could prove popular, even better if Stratford could be included.
I'm surprised there is no mention of the Whitacre Link which could open up so much more rail access for BHX.
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So we now have The Midlands HS2 Growth Stretegy and it seems that rather than wait for it to be built the LEP is asking for £3.3 billion in advance to take maximum advantage :smile:
The two stations, one in Central Birmingham and one in Solihull, will be among “the best-connected and ultimately most productive business destinations in the country”.
Full article:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/33999492-313a ... z3h4w8VjwL
BHX will be a major part of the UK Central development zone centred around the airport, NEC, Station and Genting Arena. At the moment it includes a high speed people mover from HS2 to the airport but as we know Mr K has mentioned possibly moving a terminal across there, although the Heathrow decision may well have stopped that.
Midlands HS2 Growth Strategy includes a new people mover to Birmingham Airport
There is also the proposal for a new 'Garden City' built close to the airport initially housing 5000 residents and creating 20,000 new jobs.
Even the Express & Star seem to support it :shok:
http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2015 ... ess-world/
It's great to finally see a bit of vision and the words being used sound good. Eventually though there will need to be action and that's where so many of these schemes fall down. There is also the small matter of getting Her Majesty's Government to cough up the funds.
The full strategy can be found HERE
The two stations, one in Central Birmingham and one in Solihull, will be among “the best-connected and ultimately most productive business destinations in the country”.
Full article:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/33999492-313a ... z3h4w8VjwL
BHX will be a major part of the UK Central development zone centred around the airport, NEC, Station and Genting Arena. At the moment it includes a high speed people mover from HS2 to the airport but as we know Mr K has mentioned possibly moving a terminal across there, although the Heathrow decision may well have stopped that.
Midlands HS2 Growth Strategy includes a new people mover to Birmingham Airport
There is also the proposal for a new 'Garden City' built close to the airport initially housing 5000 residents and creating 20,000 new jobs.
“As the location for the first high-speed rail interchange, UK Central will reap tremendous benefits from HS2, through the creation of a vibrant new live, work, innovate and play destination – ‘The Hub’ – which interweaves business, leisure and new communities around UK Central’s outstanding transport connectivity.”
Even the Express & Star seem to support it :shok:
http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2015 ... ess-world/
It's great to finally see a bit of vision and the words being used sound good. Eventually though there will need to be action and that's where so many of these schemes fall down. There is also the small matter of getting Her Majesty's Government to cough up the funds.
The full strategy can be found HERE
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I went up to the RAF Museum in Cosford today and after Mr K's comments that not enough Shropshire folk were using BHX I thought it a good opportunity to check out the journey.
The M6 north bound was busy but moving surprisingly well, the same could not be said for the opposite side however where there were the usual lengthy tailbacks. I decided to use the M6 Toll on the journey home which meant leaving the M54 a junction early and heading north through Featherstone. I believe there is a link road proposed between the two junctions but despite the existing road being a relatively minor one the journey only took around 10 minutes. The M6 Toll was quiet as usual and from leaving Cosford we were at the M42 Junction 6 in around 40 mins which I thought quite good.
Whilst we were waiting for the Spitfire we got chatting to a couple about holidays. They live just outside Telford and visit their family in Australia each year and always use Emirates from MAN. When I enquired as to why the lady just said "because we always have done" and the chap said "it's usually quicker to drive to MAN than it is to get through the traffic to BHX and I'm not paying £5 to use the toll road".
Shropshire isn't a populous county but it does offer plenty of higher yielding travellers. It seems that if BHX wants to get their custom they are going to need a serious charm offensive to try and change peoples habits, something that isn't easy. They also need to convince people that the £4.80 toll fee (each way) is worth it as, compared to the regular M6, the journey itself is not too bad.
The M6 north bound was busy but moving surprisingly well, the same could not be said for the opposite side however where there were the usual lengthy tailbacks. I decided to use the M6 Toll on the journey home which meant leaving the M54 a junction early and heading north through Featherstone. I believe there is a link road proposed between the two junctions but despite the existing road being a relatively minor one the journey only took around 10 minutes. The M6 Toll was quiet as usual and from leaving Cosford we were at the M42 Junction 6 in around 40 mins which I thought quite good.
Whilst we were waiting for the Spitfire we got chatting to a couple about holidays. They live just outside Telford and visit their family in Australia each year and always use Emirates from MAN. When I enquired as to why the lady just said "because we always have done" and the chap said "it's usually quicker to drive to MAN than it is to get through the traffic to BHX and I'm not paying £5 to use the toll road".
Shropshire isn't a populous county but it does offer plenty of higher yielding travellers. It seems that if BHX wants to get their custom they are going to need a serious charm offensive to try and change peoples habits, something that isn't easy. They also need to convince people that the £4.80 toll fee (each way) is worth it as, compared to the regular M6, the journey itself is not too bad.
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Midlands Today have just reported that a three month consultation on the Metro line through Eastside to BHX will start today.
Sadly it's not due to open for at least a decade.
Sadly it's not due to open for at least a decade.
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- #55
Details of the consultation for the wider region including documents and online forms are on the link below.
For BHX it's looking like SPRINT Buses along the A45 and a Metro through Bordesley and Chelmsley Wood (the 97 route) through to Birmingham Business Park, The NEC, Resorts World and BHX.
http://www.wmita.org.uk/strategy-and-publications.aspx
For BHX it's looking like SPRINT Buses along the A45 and a Metro through Bordesley and Chelmsley Wood (the 97 route) through to Birmingham Business Park, The NEC, Resorts World and BHX.
http://www.wmita.org.uk/strategy-and-publications.aspx
Ray Finkle said:
Why do things in this country take soooooooooooooooooooo long. :crazy: :crazy:
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- #57
M6 roadworks being a prime example...
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- #58
Solihull are having a consultation on the future of transport in the region. One proposal is 'A fast, limited stop ‘Sprint’ service using tram-style buses between Solihull town centre and the airport/HS2 Interchange station'
I've never used public transport from BHX into Solihull centre so I cannot comment how easy or difficult it currently is.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/lo ... r_twitterd
I've never used public transport from BHX into Solihull centre so I cannot comment how easy or difficult it currently is.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/lo ... r_twitterd
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- #59
It seems a new rail link from the airport direct to Stratford-Upon-Avon could be in the pipeline. The stumbling block is that the proposal has to go through George Osbourne but it would be great if it could happen.
Direct rail link from Stratford to Birmingham Airport in pipeline?
Direct rail link from Stratford to Birmingham Airport in pipeline?
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- #60
Government support to take Midland Metro to Birmingham Airport and Brierley Hill
As ever with the Birmingham Mail the headline is very misleading. Nothing is confirmed yet with the article clearly stating “It is not confirmed, but the Government is very supportive of the Metro extensions to Brierley Hill and Interchange. We are talking about the full suite in support of HS2. “The final decision, of course, has to be from the Department for Transport but given this backing you wouldn’t expect them to turn it down.”
Those involved in the devo deal seem confident that this is going ahead, unfortunately, with this government, I won't count my chickens until all is confirmed.
In reference to the route the article states that East Birmingham would get a boost as it travels along the 97 bus route to the airport. This is my neck of the woods and I can see how the area would benefit, especially those who work at the likes of Birmingham Business Park, NEC, Airport etc. I can't see it being a popular choice between BHX and Central Birmingham though, I'd imagine a tram would take an hour or so along that route whereas heavy rail can have you there in around 15 mins.
I hope it does happen, the line will pass not far from me and I'm sure I'll make good use, both heading into town and to Resorts World
As ever with the Birmingham Mail the headline is very misleading. Nothing is confirmed yet with the article clearly stating “It is not confirmed, but the Government is very supportive of the Metro extensions to Brierley Hill and Interchange. We are talking about the full suite in support of HS2. “The final decision, of course, has to be from the Department for Transport but given this backing you wouldn’t expect them to turn it down.”
Those involved in the devo deal seem confident that this is going ahead, unfortunately, with this government, I won't count my chickens until all is confirmed.
In reference to the route the article states that East Birmingham would get a boost as it travels along the 97 bus route to the airport. This is my neck of the woods and I can see how the area would benefit, especially those who work at the likes of Birmingham Business Park, NEC, Airport etc. I can't see it being a popular choice between BHX and Central Birmingham though, I'd imagine a tram would take an hour or so along that route whereas heavy rail can have you there in around 15 mins.
I hope it does happen, the line will pass not far from me and I'm sure I'll make good use, both heading into town and to Resorts World
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