Runways, Aprons and Taxiways

[tleeds]

Re: Leeds Bradford Airport - Runways, Aprons and Taxiways.

It really does annoy me that Ryanair virtually get Stand 8 every-night and yet don't use it. It would make more sense to put the Jet2 757's on Stand 8, but I suppose they won't pay...

 

[Aviador]

Re: Leeds Bradford Airport - Runways, Aprons and Taxiways.

The company Allied Drilling have recommenced their runway resurfacing and maintenance work. The work is expected to last for much of the winter season.

 

[tleeds]

Re: Leeds Bradford Airport - Runways, Aprons and Taxiways.

Do we know what they are doing specifically?

Are they just 'patching-up' areas of the old runway surface that were worn away or is it a complete re-surface?

 

[Aviador]

Re: Leeds Bradford Airport - Runways, Aprons and Taxiways.

Do we know what they are doing specifically?

Are they just 'patching-up' areas of the old runway surface that were worn away or is it a complete re-surface?

As far as I know pretty much the same as last year, so some patching up and some completely new slabs.

 

[tleeds]

Re: Leeds Bradford Airport - Runways, Aprons and Taxiways.

Okay thanks a lot Aviador. :good:

 

[tleeds]

Re: Leeds Bradford Airport - Runways, Aprons and Taxiways.

One question that has been puzzling me all day...

Am I right in thinking that a Boeing763 can park on Stand 8 but cannot park on stands 9 to 18..?

Also on the 'newer' section of stands, is it possible to park 2 Boeing763's next to each other, e.g. 19 and 21 and 22 and 24 as the Boeing757 does, or do they have to park on the central stands of 20 and 23..?

Regards.

 

[pilot_737]

Re: Leeds Bradford Airport - Runways, Aprons and Taxiways.

I think you are right regarding stand 8, it is longer so the 763 can fit in. I'm also pretty sure two 767s cannot fit next to each other in the new apron, the 75s only just fit.

 

[Bhowani]

Re: Leeds Bradford Airport - Runways, Aprons and Taxiways.

There is a perceived problem about a suggested conflict between tanker traffic and passenger flow
on the Apron Road. (See thread on airport Developement - thanks for prompt, Aviador)

As I won't be going airside until 27th Jan, would anybody care to provide a rough sketch of what the conflict is?

Bhowani
(not quite an anorack)

 

[EX9]

Re: Leeds Bradford Airport - Runways, Aprons and Taxiways.





The white road represents the new road layout between those new stands.

Black door being the exit from upstairs gate 10.
Pink door being domestic arrivals.
Green box is the passenger walkway.
Red line being the fencing protecting the walkway.

What was happening was the old gap in the fence had been removed and the only exit and entrance point to those doors was to the left of the red line. No crossing was in place at this time and it generally took three people to ensure all passengers were kept together.

Now there is a gap in the fence directly ahead of stand six, with a crossing leading into the walkway behind the fence and straight into domestic arrivals. It can simply be done with one person now.

The issue is not specifically tankers, its any vehicle on any crossing as passengers seem to have the perception they can walk anywhere, which can be difficult for the escorts having 2 people for a large number of passengers dependent on the flight. The only difference being that the tankers are the largest vehicles operating and therefore stick out more and two would struggle to pass each other parallel on that section of road.

 

[tleeds]

Re: Leeds Bradford Airport - Runways, Aprons and Taxiways.

Thanks for that detailed analysis of the problem EBC-S9!

It seems that the airport made a genuinely catastrophic mistake when re-organising the layout for passengers on the apron. From what we have been told is it the case that the road now continues behind Stand 3?

Also; are we to take it that the problem has been resolved now? and what does the grey box represent may I ask?

 

[Bhowani]

Re: Leeds Bradford Airport - Runways, Aprons and Taxiways.

EB S9

Much obliged: will study later this week

Bhowani

 

[EX9]

Re: Leeds Bradford Airport - Runways, Aprons and Taxiways.

Thanks for that detailed analysis of the problem EBC-S9!

It seems that the airport made a genuinely catastrophic mistake when re-organising the layout for passengers on the apron. From what we have been told is it the case that the road now continues behind Stand 3?

Also; are we to take it that the problem has been resolved now? and what does the grey box represent may I ask?

They had to change the walkways and logistics of the surrounding markings to the roads a few times as there are now hashed areas to provide extra space for larger vehicles when maneuvering the road if needs be. It does continue behind stand indeed, and also a one way clockwise to go the the Jet2 baggage hall, dublin arrivals and then back out again on the road behind. The stand does not conflict with the road, only stopping vehicles when an aircraft would come onto stand, so its not an issue. You can also walk from stand three to the arrivals door adjacent stand 5, behind the 'backup' reclaim belt building.

The problem of walking passengers in/out off 5 and 6 seems to be of no issue now. The grey box i forgot to mention, in that area is a bus drop off. Passengers will walk down the side of stand 5 and into the arrivals doors up onto the main arrivals corridor. This area also has fencing implemented.

 

[tleeds]

Re: Leeds Bradford Airport - Runways, Aprons and Taxiways.

Thanks again EBC-S9.

 

[lbia]

Re: Leeds Bradford Airport - Runways, Aprons and Taxiways.

The main issue is when disembarking passengers from 6. If there is an aircraft on stand 3 or 5 it is very difficult to disembark on 6 as generally the one on 3/5 is also boarding or disembarking. This creates a confilct of arriving and departing passengers, not so much an issue on domestics but an international arrival on stand 6 can be a nightmare to disembark if a domestic on 3/5 is boarding/disembarking. This was an issue last year but as bmi got pissy that they wanted contact stands all the time, stands 3 & 5 will now be used much more often by bmi embraers now, further adding to the problem. Just to highlight, that is the root cause of all these changes. bmi were not happy that their embraer was stuck on stand 16 most of the time. (usually because it hardly flew anywhere) and demanded they get contact walking stands. Perhaps LBA should demand bmi fly to Frankfurt and acutually try develop their routes as a way of saying sorry? :shok:

Safety wise, the changes made to the road after the ***Please Read Forum Terms of Service*** up are better but it still leaves a lot to be desired. Say for example if a 737 is parked on stand 6 and a Dash 8 on stand 5 - passengers disembarking from the rear of the 737 have the tendancy to walk straight into the road rather than follow the poorly marked lines that lead them back to the front of the aircraft. From a passengers point of view it is highly confusing - meaning 3 escorts are required for inbounds. (In my previous posts I was referring to having 2 escorts outside for boarding, normally only 1 is required - apologies if that was unclear) The main issue the airlines have is that when an aircraft on stand 5 is being serviced the road is part blocked by the vehicles.

Looking on the layout highlighted above, imagine an aircraft on stand 5, all the service vehicles (Tanker, Catering etc) all use the right hand side of the aircraft - right where the road is. When an aircraft is disembarking on 6 and one on 5 is being serviced it means the road is part blocked and limited to one way traffic and passengers are walking right next to the road with no barriers. Assuming all the airside drivers drive slowly and are patient, there should be no problems, but for those of us that work airside.... we know that does not happen.

The issue with the ambilift only occurs as there is no designated bay for disembarking passengers. Apologies again if I was not specific in my previous post. The ambulift now has to reverse into a gap between stand 5 and the end of the ASU office - this is where there is a real risk of passenger injury as when buses stop in the deignated area to drop arriving passengers off they are able to walk right next to the disembarking ambilift and generally walk all around it including under where the lowering back of the amibilift drops.

In theory the road system should work, but at busy times it grinds everything to a halt. If they had gone on the original plan of relocating the airside road behind the stands the adjustments to stand 5/6 would not have needed to be done. However because they had already changed stand 3 and scrapped the new road plan, the only way it was possible to do the road was between stand 5 & 6. As with everything LBA, no one sits and thinks things through and consults the people who actually have to work on the ramp. It is just done in a massive hurry and made a mess of.

This then comes to the issue of the walkway. There are issues with the roads at stand 5/6 currently, at the quietest time of the year. Having the walkway down to stand 14 would have meant that not as many buses were required to collect passengers from remote stands. As there is uncertainty over the walkway actually happening, come August it really is going to be interesting to put the new road layout to the test with buses swinging around those tight corners every few minutes.

 

[icarus91]

Re: Leeds Bradford Airport - Runways, Aprons and Taxiways.

Absolutely agree plus today I couldn't help notice that where buses pull up near stand 5 to disembark passengers, if the driver were to swing the bus round to face back down the apron road, monovering is very tight and most of them just swing it round and onto alpha taxiway :crazy: it's ok having walkways marked out on the concrete at stand 6 but when joe public disembark as we all know they have a tendency to go every which way but the intended route therefore more man power I.e. passenger service agents are needed on that stand to instigate the disembarkation and watch they don't end up under a fuel truck :nea:

 

[jumbo747]

Re: Leeds Bradford Airport - Runways, Aprons and Taxiways.

can 777 land at l b a

 

[Aviador]

Re: Leeds Bradford Airport - Runways, Aprons and Taxiways.

The simple answer is yes but there are lots of complex issues involved.

 

[Smoke_on]

Re: Predictions 2012 thread

Jet2 - still no 737/800's due to CAA restrictions (which don't affect FR as they are under Irish CAA!!)

What sort of restrictions are in place from the CAA?


Thanks.

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

Re: Predictions 2012 thread

Jet2 - still no 737/800's due to CAA restrictions (which don't affect FR as they are under Irish CAA!!)

What sort of restrictions are in place from the CAA?


Thanks.

I do believe it something to do with the takeoff distance/landing distance & the amount of PAX legally allowed aboard. FR can get 189 and have no problem. Due to the Runway LS would only be allowed 170ish. If there is a problem with a/c at this airport 9/10 it has something to do with the Runway it's self. However do no quote me.

 

[Aviador]

Re: Predictions 2012 thread

Unfortunately the UK CAA are getting a bit like the DfT in coming up with mindless decisions. Obviously safety is paramount but I think restrictions that are put in place by them are over the top. I don't think Ryanair would operate into Leeds if they thought it was unsafe to do so.