Runways, Aprons and Taxiways

[a300boy]

Re: Predictions 2012 thread

Yes our Caa seem to have embarked on a policy of charge the same but do less and abdicate responsibility in case it goes wrong.
I am luckily getting old and shortly to retire from a job I have loved for 30 years and as a result of now being a grumpy old man it is easier to point out the strange differences when it comes to aircraft operations. Why an aircraft can land on a given runway with a declared landing distance in certain conditions if it has an EI registration but in cannot do so if the registration starts with a G I do not understand. It also depends which airline you work for as most operations manuals are specific to the airline who wrote it and had it approved.
An attempt to standardise the operations manual for each aircraft type seems to have evaporated. Even Ryanair have to reduce weight sometimes to make an automatic approach at Leeds so lets have some more concrete and say goodbye to this problem. Or Move Robin Hoods runway to Yeadon.

 

[lbia]

Re: Predictions 2012 thread

I do believe it something to do with the takeoff distance/landing distance & the amount of PAX legally allowed aboard. FR can get 189 and have no problem. Due to the Runway LS would only be allowed 170ish. If there is a problem with a/c at this airport 9/10 it has something to do with the Runway it's self. However do no quote me.

That is not quite true, Jet2 would be allowed to operate exactly as Ryanair & Thomson do except in exceptional circumstances. Legally the CAA cannot restrict how many passengers are carried on an aircraft unless there is a defect with the aircraft. When Jet2 base 737-800's they will be used frequently at LBA and booked to 189 passengers.

Yes, there would be take-off performance issues on the longest routes but no more so than the B1 737-300's that are at Leeds currently. The only issues the CAA have control of are the landing minima that the aircraft type is certified for, the 737-800's on the G register will have similar restrictions to the 757's at LBA.

It's not the end of the world if we don't get 737-800's next year, you may not believe it but the 737 classic fleet have been more reliable than the 737-800 and 757 fleet so far, they may be vintage but they are exceptionally well maintained and the 737-300 will form the core fleet for a handful of years to come.

 

[Aviador]

Re: Predictions 2012 thread

I just want to point out that many of the current problems with the runway at LBA can be resolved without adding any additional concrete. If the airport was to raise the land at either end of the runway it should be able to move the RESA enabling grater use of the existing runway.

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

Re: Predictions 2012 thread

I do believe it something to do with the takeoff distance/landing distance & the amount of PAX legally allowed aboard. FR can get 189 and have no problem. Due to the Runway LS would only be allowed 170ish. If there is a problem with a/c at this airport 9/10 it has something to do with the Runway it's self. However do no quote me.

Yes, there would be take-off performance issues on the longest routes but no more so than the B1 737-300's that are at Leeds currently. The only issues the CAA have control of are the landing minima that the aircraft type is certified for, the 737-800's on the G register will have similar restrictions to the 757's at LBA.

I'm guessing though that the 757 have a much better performanc at LBIA and thus the reason why they are frequently used. I've seen empty 75 come to a full stop nearly by multiflight hanger, just shows the power of one of the best aircraft in the world. Such a shame it didn't come into it's own by 2004/5.

 

[a300boy]

Re: Leeds Bradford Airport - Runways, Aprons and Taxiways.

A lot of Boeing people say its the worst cheapest and nastiest aicraft they ever made.
I think it was a very nice and, for its time , technically advanced aircraft !
I just hate jumspeating on it as it only has 3 jumpseats and not much room to move around. and only a cargo hold behind the cockpit.
My love was the " B727 " Queen of the Skies "

 

[tleeds]

Re: Leeds Bradford Airport - Runways, Aprons and Taxiways.

It was a good seller though A300boy, and they made a lot of money out of it..!

Thanks for the explanation Aviador, it is a viable option for LBA, financially I mean and would it bring any extensive benefits if they ever did carry-out such work? I do know that there are huge drops at both ends, both 14 and 32..! Would the Approach and Landing Lights etc. have to be reconfigured as well then?

 

[Aviador]

Re: Leeds Bradford Airport - Runways, Aprons and Taxiways.

It was a good seller though A300boy, and they made a lot of money out of it..!

Thanks for the explanation Aviador, it is a viable option for LBA, financially I mean and would it bring any extensive benefits if they ever did carry-out such work? I do know that there are huge drops at both ends, both 14 and 32..! Would the Approach and Landing Lights etc. have to be reconfigured as well then?

It might seem a relatively small job to just build the land up at either side of the runway but as you have already realised, it is the associated work to reconfigure the approach, runway edge and centre-line lighting that would cause a headache for the planners. The work would at least greatly improve the landing distance available and improve the availability of autoland to larger aircraft such as the 757. Without additional concrete, it wouldn't provide any additional take-off distance but the advantage of building up the land is it would be much easier to achieve with regards to planning permission.

 

[User0001]

Re: Leeds Bradford Airport - Runways, Aprons and Taxiways.

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL!!

Sorry to be a spoilsport but this will just not happen. Shops, restaurants, carparks - YES. Runway, apron, taxyway infrastructure - NO.

Basically we can get upto 3.5 million passengers with the airside infrastructure we've got.

 

[tleeds]

Re: Leeds Bradford Airport - Runways, Aprons and Taxiways.

Thanks for that Aviador.

It probably won't happen for a fair few years yet 'LUFC PETE', but for developments to take place, the airport need to have an idea of their possible options, I think that's what Aviador was doing, just outlining another possibility for the airport.

 

[User0001]

Re: Leeds Bradford Airport - Runways, Aprons and Taxiways.

Areed Tom,

was a valid and interesting point. sorry for being a miserable t**t just get a bit disheartened - all these things are possible but only get done at other airports.

It reminds me of 20-30 years ago when people used to go into a travel agents (in yeadon) and when asking for any holiday they would just get told 'it's from manchester'. Instead of saying 'well why cant we fly from leeds?' they'd just smile and say 'yeah that's ok'. Perhaps that's why we are miles behind all the other regionals - we just don't complain or even question anything round here. We just smile and put up with it instead of pushing for it.

MAN pushed for another runway and got it.

ps people still go in to travel agents in yeadon today but things have changed, now they're told 'manchester or doncaster' and they still just smile and say 'that's fine'.

 

[tleeds]

Re: Leeds Bradford Airport - Runways, Aprons and Taxiways.

I understand your frustration Pete, and like you said, we all want the very best for the airport. Lets hope that in 15 to 20 years, we will all have the ability to shout from the rooftops about LBA and revel in it's success

 

[White Heather]

Re: Leeds Bradford Airport - Runways, Aprons and Taxiways.

When it comes to holidays, people should adopt the policy that if they don't fly it from LBA, then don't book it. Simple. Its the only way to support LBA by action. If people like Thomson saw their bookings from this area vanishing in favour of Thomas Cook/Jet2 Holidays and the message going back to them from their travel agencies was that Leeds folk want Leeds flights, they would have to seriously reconsider. They have lost some passengers I suspect, but not enough to force a re-think of their DSA based strategy.

I have only ever flown from MAN 3 times since 1980 and one of those was an LBA flight diverted to MAN due to the (then) early bed time at LBA. The other two, I had no choice sadly.

For me, booking a holiday out of MAN when I could book it out of LBA with another company is about as unpalatable as me buying a Manchester United Season ticket!

 

[pss53]

Re: Leeds Bradford Airport - Runways, Aprons and Taxiways.

I always check Leeds now before anywhere else,

I think over this year were going to see a significant increase in Holiday makers booking independent flights, hotels etc, So maybe TC do pull from Leeds at some point, but I only see that as a positive to open up the spots for more airlines with higher volumes.

 

[Galaxy]

Re: Leeds Bradford Airport - Runways, Aprons and Taxiways.

I try and do exactly as you say White Heather, and most of the time I do. I fly at least monthly for business and leisure (3 times over the next 5 weeks) and always try and book via LBA, even if it means a train journey at the other end, but sometimes I have to go via MAN for sake of ease or logistics. I would say that 85% of my flights are from LBA, the other 15% are usually MAN.

 

[Bigman]

Re: Leeds Bradford Airport - Runways, Aprons and Taxiways.

Question!! What work have they been carrying out this weekend on the 'F' and 'M' taxiways? Seems to me like new lighting being installed.

 

[Aviador]

Re: Leeds Bradford Airport - Runways, Aprons and Taxiways.

I think you will find it's centreline greens for LVPs Bigman.

 

[ZB757]

Re: Leeds Bradford - General Thread

Just a quick question, I was recently on youtube and came upon this video of the concorde landing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWFy8wl6i_s and it looks like it lands in the centre of the loop and i was wondering why aircraft what come into leeds now look like they are landing half way down the runway, does anybody know why?

 

[tleeds]

Re: Leeds Bradford - General Thread

I think it's just from where the camera was at the time of filming Ap1995.

To my knowledge the Concorde aircraft in this YouTube clip made a normal landing just like any other commercial aircraft both; back then, in whatever year it was filmed, and in the present day, hitting the TDZ (Touch Down Zone) like any other aircraft.

 

[White Heather]

Re: Leeds Bradford - General Thread

The Concorde regularly made a visual landing and landed further up the runway than normal. It needed all the runway it could get and I am pretty sure that this landing on 14 was well down from where aircraft normally touch down. I have seen the Concorde do the same on 32, landing nearer to the Horsforth end than the normal touch down point to allow more stopping distance.

 

[ZB757]

Re: Leeds Bradford - General Thread

so if PK did bring the 777 to Leeds would that be allowed to land further back like the concorde so it can use all the runway or was it just a one off?