Ryanair

[White Heather]

Must have being a glitch or update, as the Ryanair LBA summer 2021 schedule is now back on sale.

Don't do that! Scared me to death!!

 

[TheLocalYokel]

A similar thing happened a few weeks ago. It was quickly sorted.

 

[lbaspotter]

I know not fully LBA related, But seen as we might see them sometime in the future.

Ryanair have Confirmed its just ordered a further 75+ further Boeing 737-MAX8200's, thus taking its firm order to 210 aircraft with deliveries due to commence spring 2021 and all in service by 2024.

Ryanair Orders 75 Boeing Max-8200 Aircraft (210 In Total) – Ryanair's Corporate Website

corporate.ryanair.com

 

[JetRob]

It's definitely a massive statement of intent for Ryanair to order this many aircraft in this pandemic. I seem to wonder if they'd have got a cut price deal for them as weren't they due compensation from Boeing anyway?

 

[Flightlevel330]

From memory I am sure they did this just after 9/11 with some 737-800’s? Ordered from Boeing when it seemed like a suicidal move with the industry in turmoil, then look how it played out for them. Could be very good news for LBA hopefully and a nice uplift in seating capacity also if we see some grace our concrete!

 

[White Heather]

They are also talking to Boeing about a future order for the larger Max 10 variant which has 220 seats, almost into 757 territory.

In an interview I just watched, Michael O Leary stated the MAX will be the safest aircraft in the sky, that it burns 16% less fuel than the NG, and is 40% quieter. He expects it to be in service with Ryanair in summer 2021. I wonder if we will get one based here at LBA as originally scheduled for last summer? That might explain the reinstatement of the 2nd based aircraft.

 

[Len Fish]

Boeing have confirmed that Ryanair have obtained what they describe as “ a modest discount” on the order but given the current situation both generally in aviation and with the Max and knowing O’Leary I suspect it’s probably a bit more than modest. Will be interesting to compare the claimed noise reduction if and when they show up at LBA.

 

[Finger66]

As anyone told GALBA about an FR MAX possibly been based. Wonder what counter rubbish they would come up with!

 

[White Heather]

As anyone told GALBA about an FR MAX possibly been based. Wonder what counter rubbish they would come up with!

They won't like the fact that it's exempt from the night time quota count. But if that happens, it's their own stupidity that will have brought that about.

 

[LBA787]

They are also talking to Boeing about a future order for the larger Max 10 variant which has 220 seats, almost into 757 territory.

In an interview I just watched, Michael O Leary stated the MAX will be the safest aircraft in the sky, that it burns 16% less fuel than the NG, and is 40% quieter. He expects it to be in service with Ryanair in summer 2021. I wonder if we will get one based here at LBA as originally scheduled for last summer? That might explain the reinstatement of the 2nd based aircraft.

Higher capacity aircraft will be required if they are counter act against easy and wizz with their 235-239 seat A321neo’s.

Ryanair will be viewing Wizz as it’s major rival now with an already lower CASM - add in the extra 39 seats per sector and they could really start to hurt Ryanair on routes.

I would be really surprised if we don’t see Ryanair launching a high capacity Max 10 with 240+ seats.

 

[LBA4EVER]

With all the max8 issues an even longer max10 worries me!

 

[White Heather]

With all the max8 issues an even longer max10 worries me!

Why? With a longer fuselage it might actually be more balanced! Depends on which end they extend it. I'm front of the wing or behind it.

 

[LBA4EVER]

Why? With a longer fuselage it might actually be more balanced! Depends on which end they extend it. I'm front of the wing or behind it.

It would result in higher speed landings due to the extended length and of course the fuselage been lower to the ground. possible tail strikes as well.

 

[White Heather]

It would result in higher speed landings due to the extended length and of course the fuselage been lower to the ground

Yes but those are not issues that led to the grounding of the aircraft and apply to all larger variants of smaller types, including the A321. If they fix the software that led to the stalling issue then it shoukd be fixed on all variants of the MAX and all should be safe.
It's worth remembering that most new aircraft types have had accidents. The industry learns from them and the type becomes safer. The A320 crashed at an airshow near Paris before even going into service and look at it now!

 

[LBA787]

Let’s not forget the horrendous rudder issues the 300, 400 series aircraft were plagued with in early 1990’s including two fatal crashes.

Those issues were rectified with the aircraft pushing on to become the bestselling ever.

I expect the max to overcome this and be very successful.

 

[LBA4EVER]

The 737 is a 1960s air frame with a fuselage fairly low to the ground that's suited to the shorter 100/200/300series. The longer versions require all these added safety electronics to resolve the issues of extra length and bigger engines. Anyway end of the day before long more than likely im going to start flying on them as I use FR to ALC

 

[KARFA]

With all the max8 issues an even longer max10 worries me!

Yes so fundamentally the problem all tracks back to the low ground clearance for the 737. Because they needed more efficient bigger fan engines the only way to do that was to move the engines further forwards and up. This led to handling issues which MCAS was installed to try and deal with. Boeing messed this part up by failing to ensure proper redundancy in sensors and logic checking between readings.

With the 737 MAX 10 the gear is actually longer in order to ensure tail clearance to give the same takeoff and landing handling as the other versions. There isn't any reason to believe the 10 would have any additional problems above other variants.

 

[White Heather]

The 737 is a 1960s air frame with a fuselage fairly low to the ground that's suited to the shorter 100/200/300series. The longer versions require all these added safety electronics to resolve the issues of extra length and bigger engines. Anyway end of the day before long more than likely im going to start flying on them as I use FR to ALC

Actually it's the same fuselage profile that was used on the 707, which first flew in 1954. The 707 was longer than the 737 and coped fine as it had bigger wings but 4 nice slim Pratt & Whitney JT8D or Rolls Royce Conway engines, therefore better balanced. So you are being generous calling it a 1960s airframe. It goes back further. Boeing have always worked on the ' If it ain't broke, don't fix it" basis as far as fuselage designs for their short haul aurcraft are concerned.

 

[oldendays]

The 707 had Rolls Royce Conway engines. The Avon was a turbojet fitted to the Comet 4.

 

[White Heather]

The 707 had Rolls Royce Conway engines. The Avon was a turbojet fitted to the Comet 4.

Correct of course. I had my doubts it was the Avon even when posting but couldn't get my head in gear to remember the alternatives. Wasn't it the Avon on the VC10 too? Or was that the Conway too? Or another river based engine?