CAA Provisional Statistics Update

[IanFarquharson]

BHXmaybe well down overall due to Monarch but what we have got are rammed !

Booked loads today

Friday 16 March outbounds

LS PRG 167
LS FCO 189 next 3 sold out
LS KRK 189
LS ALC 189 next seat 29 March yes you read that right
LS ACE 189 3 out next 4 full
LS PMI 183
LS AGP 183 9 out of next 11 full
LS TFS 189
LS TFS 189 inbound
LS GVA 189
FR VNO 189
FR ALC 189
FR MLA 189
FR BCN 189
FR673 189
EZY194 143/156 full inbound
EZY196 136/156 full inbound
EZY 198 143/156 full inbound
EZY1492 180/180
EZY1498 142/180
BE ABZ 58
BE AMS 72/88 BE101
BE AMS 42/78 BE103
BE MXP 68/88
BE 400 78/78 BHD
BE402 61/78 BHD
BE TLS 58/88
BE501 50/78 JER

 

[Ray Finkle]

It's not even Easter yet!

It begs the question how many passengers are we losing to other airports because Birmingham is either full or the last few seats are at a ridiculous price?

We're facing a summer with no services to Lisbon, Nice, Athens, Gibraltar, Valencia....... they've still not been able to secure flights to Morocco (it's criminal how many people I speak to who are using London airports) and it's not even peak season yet the holiday flights that we do have are already full!

Meanwhile Easyjet aren't interested and Ryanair remain stagnant rather than mopping up the passengers?

I just hope that a new management team is in place sooner rather than later and things start pushing forwards again.

 

[Brum X]

It's not even Easter yet!

It begs the question how many passengers are we losing to other airports because Birmingham is either full or the last few seats are at a ridiculous price?

We're facing a summer with no services to Lisbon, Nice, Athens, Gibraltar, Valencia....... they've still not been able to secure flights to Morocco (it's criminal how many people I speak to who are using London airports) and it's not even peak season yet the holiday flights that we do have are already full!

Meanwhile Easyjet aren't interested and Ryanair remain stagnant rather than mopping up the passengers?

I just hope that a new management team is in place sooner rather than later and things start pushing forwards again.

So Mr W Pearson has succeeded in his ambition for BHX and now he is off, the below is an exact quote from him responding to an email I sent to him in February regarding BHX and what the hell is going on, LOL

"Please rest assured that my focus has been to grow this airport sustainably"

 

[IanFarquharson]

"Please rest assured that my focus has been to grow this airport sustainably"

The RD Team were very worried that there were too many airlines / seats on certain route with Barcelona being a good example. This was putting pressure on yields etc.
But now Monarch have gone we find ourselves again short of capacity on the likes of PMI, ALC, AGP & BCN.
One thing for sure what we have is rammed and that should be good for yields.
BHX maybe happy with this ?
Rumours are they have turned down at least one airline who wanted to add based units and another airline (who we talk about a lot) who wanted a unworkable deal to base planes at BHX, so again turned away. Airlines that have left again will not be welcome back unless they play top dollar.
I say well done to BHX for standing their ground but we they need to be a little careful as we now must be loosing lots of pax to other airports due to lack of capacity.

 

[Ray Finkle]

Rumours are they have turned down at least one airline who wanted to add based units and another airline (who we talk about a lot) who wanted a unworkable deal to base planes at BHX, so again turned away. Airlines that have left again will not be welcome back unless they play top dollar.

Meanwhile airports both north and south of us are adding based aircraft, gaining new routes and opening up new markets.

I appreciate the need to grow sustainably and the need to manage yields (one would hope that airlines do their due diligence before ploughing on in) but I still cannot understand how Gatwick, Luton, Stansted, Manchester, Bristol, East Midlands, Newcastle..... can accommodate significant bases from Easyjet and/or Ryanair, grow them each year and still turn a healthy profit yet Birmingham can't? What makes us so special?

I realise that we are seeing aircraft from Jet2 and Primera but there is very little 'new' in there, it's more replacing like for like.

 

[Brum X]

Well maybe this is the reason why people are leaving becouse the new management are going to do xcatly what the old crew were not willing to do ???

Ive got one of those Brum X feelings, something is going to happen soon, i dont know what but something.

 

[58terminus]

The RD Team were very worried that there were too many airlines / seats on certain route with Barcelona being a good example. This was putting pressure on yields etc.

That is interesting.So the people who are presumably expert and experienced in their field and can see the long term implications were presumably being overruled by someone higher up the chain who could only see only the short term gains and the boost to his/her ego and reputation before they moved on?

 

[58terminus]

Rumours are they have turned down at least one airline who wanted to add based units

I think we can guess who that was from the word "add"
The competition from LTN MAN STN is frequently on the forum but the competition from an airport 35 miles away that offers routes not served from BHX rarely gets a mention.
It's a tough world and if making a deal with an airline that also seriously damages a competitor who would struggle to ever recover go for it. The long term benefits would be worth it.

 

[David_itl]

Airlines that have left again will not be welcome back unless they play top dollar.

Obviously it is beyond the intelligence of the BHX board to actually structure a deal that gets airlines in. Witness MAN - Ryanair didn't like the charges and went to a bare-bone operation. 2 years later and MAN structured a deal in such a way that the more passengers they flew, the lower the charges would be... and got them to agree to restrict their operations to primarily either unserved or underserved routes.

 

[nwoody2001]

Meanwhile airports both north and south of us are adding based aircraft, gaining new routes and opening up new markets.

I appreciate the need to grow sustainably and the need to manage yields (one would hope that airlines do their due diligence before ploughing on in) but I still cannot understand how Gatwick, Luton, Stansted, Manchester, Bristol, East Midlands, Newcastle..... can accommodate significant bases from Easyjet and/or Ryanair, grow them each year and still turn a healthy profit yet Birmingham can't? What makes us so special?

I realise that we are seeing aircraft from Jet2 and Primera but there is very little 'new' in there, it's more replacing like for like.

Did you just use East Midlands as an example Ray?! The airport that has barely grown 5% in the last 5 years at the same time we grew 40%???

 

[Ray Finkle]

Did you just use East Midlands as an example Ray?! The airport that has barely grown 5% in the last 5 years at the same time we grew 40%???

Yet East Midlands is my closest airport for direct flights to Alghero, Bergamo, Riga, Seville and Valencia, which, considering that I live 10 minutes from BHX, is pretty shocking.

I know that we have a range of destinations and airlines that EMA would probably give their right arm for but it still doesn't answer the question as to why Birmingham is the only major UK airport that cannot (or will not) strike a deal with Europe's two biggest airlines???

 

[jfy1999]

There may possibly be some kind of method in the apparent madness of the RD team's rejection of extra based units from some airlines but acceptance of others.

While the LCC's have stagnated of late, the holiday airlines (Jet2 and TUI) have kept growing, so perhaps the BHX management thinks they can get more money out of encouraging the holiday airlines and a MAN-type growth deal with Ryanair might not make so much money...but that's just my speculation...

 

[58terminus]

Did you just use East Midlands as an example Ray?! The airport that has barely grown 5% in the last 5 years at the same time we grew 40%???

It's still an airport with a consistent 4.5 million passengers P.A. on the doorstep.On a par with Leeds/Bradford Newcastle and Belfast but somehow manages to keep under the radar. It is however stagnating and their market should be a target for the new management.
It would imagine any inroads made into their market would be very difficult for them to replace.

 

[Ray Finkle]

There may possibly be some kind of method in the apparent madness of the RD team's rejection of extra based units from some airlines but acceptance of others.

While the LCC's have stagnated of late, the holiday airlines (Jet2 and TUI) have kept growing, so perhaps the BHX management thinks they can get more money out of encouraging the holiday airlines and a MAN-type growth deal with Ryanair might not make so much money...but that's just my speculation...

It's an interesting theory.

The common perception of last summer was one of over capacity on the main sun routes, with yields going through the floor, leading to quite considerable cutbacks from Norwegian, Vueling etc. Recent growth seems to be in reaction to the huge vacuum left by Monarch and possibly bringing things back to a more balanced level. Surely the sun routes eventually have a finite market (I'm thinking about the reports of more seats to Majorca than hotel rooms available) and will quickly reach saturation point again?

If we look at recent history the likes of Wizz and Blue Air came in opening up new markets to the likes of Bucharest, Budapest and Cluj and have rarely seen a load factor below 90%. Czech to Prague, Iberia to Madrid, Ryanair to Oporto, Verona and Sofia, all newish routes to newish markets and all appear to be very successful?

The sun routes will always be important but alongside the seemingly endless leapfrogging from one airline to the next to be the 7th or 8th carrier to Malaga how about stimulating some new markets???

Lets get Lisbon, Seville, Valencia, Athens, Helsinki, Oslo, Olbia, Basle, Riga, Tallinn, Zadar, Bergamo, Brindisi, Alghero, Agadir, Marrakesh, Mykonos, Preveza, Ponta Delgada, Palermo, Bilbao.............. on the departure boards and shout out to the region that no matter where you want to travel to, forget London, it is now available from your local airport!?

 

[richard winterbourn]

I am grateful to Ray for mentioning in an earlier post the city of Bergamo, once launched from BHX by RYR then dropped and now being offered in a rather haphazard fashion from East Midlands, alongside FIVE other Italian destinations with either two or three flights a week. If these routes cannot support a busier schedule than at present, then i question their viability. Correct me if i am wrong but i think BHX gets just ONE, Verona....

Added to this and to concentrate on Bergamo, this is a city i visit quite frequently through necessity from MAN. But my interest is not entirely on Bergamo, a beautiful little city with, i think the second biggest RYR base outside of the UK.

I frequently use it as a hub airport, most recently a night in Bergamo then a flight the next day to Prague. I have also done the same thing as regards Lisbon, a night in Bergamo, a good meal and a bottle of wine and then LIS the next day. And strangely, i don't think i am alone in using it is a hub. I have witnessed quite a few pax from MAN doing exactly the same, sometimes without the need for an overnight stay.

I cannot for the life of me understand RYR's policy as regards Italy vis a vis BHX and East Midlands.

 

[Coathanger16]

Indeed I've often wondered about the lack of services Ryanair has from BHX to Italy and in particular Rome. They currently operate from Rome Ciampino to STN, MAN, EDI, EMA & PIK.

When Monarch operated to Rome they carried over 10,400 passengers in July alone. Operating daily Ryanair could offer ~11,700 seats per month to Rome, equating to a load factor of 89% in July. Jet2 now operate to Rome 4x weekly, but I'm not sure when they announced they'd be serving Rome so Ryanair could have had the opportunity to launch even a 3x weekly service to a well proven market but they didn't.

I think Ryanair are happy to serve BHX but just not much more than they do now - for that to happen I think they'll want a better deal. Perhaps the new team will be able to offer that.

 

[jfy1999]

If Ryanair were the airline who wanted to add more based aircraft, then perhaps they were turned down over this issue of a price war on the sun routes.

I'm looking at the Manchester expansion for this summer and among all the new routes they have added a raft of extra capacity to Alicante, Faro, Fuerteventura, Gran Canaria, Ibiza, Lanzarote, Malaga, Mallorca, and Tenerife.

The exact same could be true for easyJet - for all the attractive city breaks they might have on offer, they would still want to come in on the bucket and spade destinations.

We also have to remember that BHX will be trying to build a good relationship with Primera. I wouldn't be surprise if the RD team have been trying to prioritise them over other airlines. If Norwegian walked away over Jet2 arriving, the BHX management might be keeping that in mind. Primera would be a much bigger loss than Norwegian were.

 

[58terminus]

We also have to remember that BHX will be trying to build a good relationship with Primera. I wouldn't be surprise if the RD team have been trying to prioritise them over other airlines

I would hope they are not prioritising an airline who have yet to land an aircraft at BHX because they havn't yet go them over airlines that have been there years.That would be a very dangerous path to go down.

 

[Seasider]

It's still an airport with a consistent 4.5 million passengers P.A. on the doorstep.On a par with Leeds/Bradford Newcastle and Belfast but somehow manages to keep under the radar. It is however stagnating and their market should be a target for the new management.
It would imagine any inroads made into their market would be very difficult for them to replace.

I believe EMA attract passengers from Nottingham/Derby/Leicester and from Yorkshire and very few from West Midlands. I doubt if many Yorkshire folk will travel an extra 40 miles to Birmingham when MAN (or LBA) are a lot closer. Derby/Nottingham/Leicester folk may look at LTN/STN, so I don't think that a great number of pax will go to BHX.
Just my thoughts.

 

[IanFarquharson]

2017 International

DUBLIN 906,714
down
-1.61 %
DUBAI 744,477
up
5.65 %
AMSTERDAM 675,427
up
6.93 %
MALAGA 467,074
up
21.76 %
TENERIFE (SURREINA SOFIA) 434,084
up
10.06 %
ALICANTE 430,601
up
17.90 %
PALMA DE MALLORCA 404,680
up
13.54 %
PARIS (CHARLES DE GAULLE) 399,484
down
-0.03 %
FRANKFURT MAIN 306,599
down
-1.35 %
FARO 306,305
up
46.86 %
BARCELONA 293,629
down
-4.75 %
DUSSELDORF 270,940
up
12.10 %
ARRECIFE 262,902
up
12.08 %
MUNICH 204,954
up
4.38 %
LAS PALMAS 183,355
up
9.83 %
FUERTEVENTURA 176,062
up
12.80 %
BRUSSELS 152,510
up
14.67 %
IBIZA 149,996
up
55.71 %
MADRID 142,299
up
4.70 %
LARNACA 136,427
up
11.98 %
ISTANBUL 133,434
down
-3.85 %
DALAMAN 128,529
up
12.27 %
DOHA HAMAD 126,331
up
14.24 %
PAPHOS 104,814
up
30.59 %
SOFIA 102,084
up
143.14 %
ZURICH 97,465
up
5.54 %
MAHON 87,597
up
28.60 %
MILAN (MALPENSA) 84,570
down
-18.72 %
COPENHAGEN 84,314
down
-11.65 %
GENEVA 84,027
up
31.54 %
ISLAMABAD 81,275
down
-5.10 %
MALTA 79,668
up
32.94 %
DELHI 78,706
down
-12.30 %
CORK 77,157
up
3.07 %
AMRITSAR 76,931
up
52.06 %
BERLIN (TEGEL) 75,815
up
9.14 %
HERAKLION 74,793
up
44.23 %
ROME (FIUMICINO) 72,044
down
-13.15 %
RHODES 70,167
up
38.07 %
PRAGUE 69,569
up
88.49 %
CORFU 69,424
up
1.60 %
STUTTGART 68,457
down
-14.70 %
NEW YORK (NEWARK) 65,510
down
-16.51 %
ZAKINTHOS 65,319
down
-0.23 %
ANTALYA 63,514
up
24.21 %
GIRONA 62,623
up
307.75 %
REUS 60,585
up
199.27 %
CANCUN 60,486
up
5.81 %
BRATISLAVA 56,782
up
3.03 %
MURCIA SAN JAVIER 56,667
up
9.98 %
VERONA VILLAFRANCA 56,117
up
16.24 %
BUCHAREST (OTOPENI) 55,389
up
151.77 %
BYDGOSZCZ 54,922
down
-1.30 %
WARSAW (MODLIN MASOVIA) 52,167
up
563.53 %
WARSAW (CHOPIN) 49,221
up
17.29 %
BUDAPEST 48,667
up
6.02 %
FUNCHAL 48,178
down
-23.61 %
LISBON 47,379
up
57.69 %
LYON 45,733
down
-5.76 %
KRAKOW 45,064
up
14.86 %
DUBROVNIK 43,775
up
15.01 %
VENICE 43,128
down
-20.29 %
ASHKHABAD 42,756
up
20.53 %
PUNTA CANA 41,908
up
105.19 %
KEFLAVIK 41,731
down
-3.23 %
HANOVER 41,355
down
-15.35 %
PARIS (ORLY) 40,657
up
54109.33 %
TOULOUSE (BLAGNAC) 40,450
up
345.83 %
KOS 39,162
up
5.55 %
MONTEGO BAY 38,189
down
-0.28 %
SHANNON 37,677
up
17.67 %
OPORTO (PORTUGAL) 37,645
up
91717.07 %
NAPLES 37,146
up
66.94 %
GDANSK 37,013
up
0.38 %
KATOWICE 36,320
down
-1.89 %
BRIDGETOWN 35,686
up
0.48 %
GIBRALTAR 35,586
down
-17.52 %
HURGHADA 35,136
up
78.68 %
VIENNA 34,626


n/a

ILHA DO SAL C.VERDE 34,050
up
39.01 %
BURGAS 32,642
up
14.38 %
POZNAN 32,471
up
3.63 %
WROCLAW 32,257
up
27.48 %
KEFALLINIA 30,430
up
10.96 %
VILNIUS 29,915
up
8.02 %
IRELAND WEST(KNOCK) 29,813
up
25.99 %
CHANIA 29,612
up
275.83 %
HAMBURG 24,505
down
-20.35 %
BORDEAUX 23,664
up
8.13 %
BOA VISTA (RABIL) 21,764
up
1.65 %
STOCKHOLM (ARLANDA) 20,018


n/a

LUXEMBOURG 19,497
up
194.21 %
MARRAKESH 19,381
up
4.27 %
CHAMBERY 18,780
down
-7.94 %
PERPIGNAN 18,521
up
64.02 %
INNSBRUCK 17,869
up
12.92 %
NANTES 17,742
up
24.72 %
SKIATHOS 17,174
up
16.78 %
ALMERIA 17,106
down
-3.53 %
GRENOBLE 16,639
down
-9.70 %
SANFORD 16,021
down
-6.80 %
SALZBURG 15,578
up
1.60 %
NICE 15,565
down
-46.18 %
PULA 15,205
up
6.79 %
TORONTO 13,734
up
11.64 %
TURIN 13,335
up
2.97 %
BERGERAC 13,334
down
-1.42 %
THIRA (SANTORINI) 13,159
down
-4.56 %
GOTEBORG (LANDVETTER) 11,501
up
5456.04 %
BANJUL 11,480
up
6.80 %
PREVEZA 10,418
up
50.53 %
VALENCIA 9,886


n/a

SPLIT 9,351


n/a

MYTILINI 8,680


n/a

ATHENS 8,464
down
-4.81 %
GRAZ 8,312
up
3392.44 %
COMISO 8,066


n/a

ALGHERO (FERTILIA) 7,681


n/a

PORTO SANTO 7,364
down
-3.89 %
IZMIR (ADNAN MENDERES) 6,985
down
-12.31 %
RENNES 6,689
up
19.64 %
KAVALA 6,680
down
-8.89 %
KALAMATA 6,433
up
15.06 %
CATANIA (FONTANAROSSA) 6,430
down
-3.15 %
DUBAI (WORLD CENTRAL) 6,111
up
467.94 %
NUREMBERG 5,782


n/a

LIMOGES 5,513
up
11.31 %
BIARRITZ 5,418
up
18.01 %
ROVANIEMI 5,229
up
37.32 %
CLUJ NAPOCA 4,869


n/a

PADERBORN 4,818
down
-59.37 %
BODRUM (MILAS) 4,723
down
-66.33 %
LA ROCHELLE 4,386
down
-48.35 %
LA ROMANA 3,525


n/a

MARSA ALAM 3,200


n/a

FLORENCE 3,174
up
4247.95 %
AVIGNON 3,146
down
-1.60 %
ENONTEKIO 2,572
up
7.89 %
BASTIA 2,274
up
20.25 %
IVALO 1,864
up
31.55 %
GOA 1,662


n/a

NEW YORK (JF KENNEDY) 1,656
down
-97.62 %
LIEIDA 1,379
down
-40.12 %
PHUKET 1,259


n/a

BREST 1,094
dowm
-74.36 %
TARBES-LOURDES INTERNATIONAL 992
dowm
-27.01 %
BERGAMO 737
up
81.98 %
ROTTERDAM 644
dowm
-93.04 %
ORLANDO 624


n/a

AQABA 570
down
-1.04 %
KAUNAS 521
down
-93.74 %
KITTILA 378
down
-87.67 %
PAJALA YLLAS 374


n/a

BILBAO 370
up
88.78 %
RZESZOW 353


n/a

BERGEN 290


n/a

BEIRUT 239


n/a

BEIJING 209


n/a

KIRUNA 194
down
-14.91 %
PARMA 187


n/a

SEVILLE 182


n/a

BERLIN (SCHONEFELD) 176
down
-50.42 %
BOLOGNA 175
down
-63.54 %
CONSTANTA 167


n/a

DORTMUND 149


n/a

TEL AVIV 148


n/a

RIGA 138


n/a

DRESDEN 136


n/a

TENERIFE (NORTE LOS RODEOS) 135


n/a

LEIPZIG 118


n/a

FIGARI 117


n/a

BRIVE-LA-GAILLARDE 116
down
-38.62 %
KIEV (ZHULYANY) 110


n/a

CLERMONT FERRAND 90


n/a

ROME (CIAMPINO) 83
up
29.69 %
PISA 80
down
-76.81 %
A CORUNA 72


n/a

BALE MULHOUSE 66


n/a

SANTANDER 64


n/a

FRIEDRICHSHAFEN 48


n/a

NIEDERRHEIN 46


n/a

CAEN 45


n/a

ZELTWEG (MILITARY) 44


n/a

AARHUS (TIRSTRUP) 42


n/a

COLOGNE BONN 41


n/a

MOLDE 31


n/a

ALESUND 30


n/a

LJUBLJANA 26


n/a

MARSEILLE 16


n/a

BREMEN 3