Emirates

[DarloPlaneBoy]

Well it has returned Second time lucky

 

[Birmingham Aviation]

So obviously it’s great to get the daily A380 back to bhx.When could the other A380 return?

 

[CL44]

So obviously it’s great to get the daily A380 back to bhx.When could the other A380 return?

Hopefully never! We have just lost 11000 Kgs of capacity for cargo and now you want to double that loss by getting another A380 in? 1 x A380 & 1 x B773 works fine for me thank you.

 

[Karl C]

Hopefully never! We have just lost 11000 Kgs of capacity for cargo and now you want to double that loss by getting another A380 in? 1 x A380 & 1 x B773 works fine for me thank you.

Have you offset the loss having Saudia and Qatar back?

 

[CL44]

Have you offset the loss having Saudia and Qatar back?

I have dealt with both Airlines for a long time prior to them starting (or re-starting) operations at BHX. Neither of them fill me with confidence in the same way as EK. Whilst the aircraft can accept shipments the weak links are JED and DOH for connections onwards. While the reps will say that things are all sorted and we can book with confidence I remain to be convinced. The only way to check is to use the services and see what happens, but it is my Customers decision to let me move their cargo and I have to be confident to offer a service. EK gives me that confidence. The other two not so much.

 

[Karl C]

Thanks chap... appreciate the insight. Surprised QR doesn't fill you with confidence like EK. You learn something new every day. I suppose it's good you have a bigger pool to dip in to for freight forwarding...big question...will you get your toes wet with them?

 

[CL44]

Thanks chap... appreciate the insight. Surprised QR doesn't fill you with confidence like EK. You learn something new every day. I suppose it's good you have a bigger pool to dip in to for freight forwarding...big question...will you get your toes wet with them?

Every chance that the toes will get wet. I have always said that if we don't use a local Airline we will lose them! My problem is persuading Clients to give them a try!

 

[Brum X]

Hopefully never! We have just lost 11000 Kgs of capacity for cargo and now you want to double that loss by getting another A380 in? 1 x A380 & 1 x B773 works fine for me thank you.

Big respect to the mighty Boeing 777

I have dealt with both Airlines for a long time prior to them starting (or re-starting) operations at BHX. Neither of them fill me with confidence in the same way as EK. Whilst the aircraft can accept shipments the weak links are JED and DOH for connections onwards. While the reps will say that things are all sorted and we can book with confidence I remain to be convinced. The only way to check is to use the services and see what happens, but it is my Customers decision to let me move their cargo and I have to be confident to offer a service. EK gives me that confidence. The other two not so much.

Do you ever use Air India CL44 ?

 

[adamak1]

Could there be a possibility that emirates might just reinstate the morning flight with a 777 instead of making the evening flight an a380 to compete with qatar? I would honestly prefer the morning flight back as it would give passengers more options. We have the a380 back which is great but I’m sure bhx would be fine with 1 a380 and 2 777s.

 

[CL44]

Big respect to the mighty Boeing 777



Do you ever use Air India CL44 ?

I have used Air India (in the past) but not recently. As I have previously mentioned when we quote Clients we give a couple of options with the price varying based on the service level (standard procedure for what I do). At the end of the day it is the Clients choice which option they go for. I can advise current delays and give my own personal opinion on if a shipment might be delayed but most of my Clients understand that once the Airline has their goods both they and we relinquish all control about timings etc. A number of my Clients have standing instructions in place over which Airlines they will allow to move their cargo. I could offer a price difference of three or four figures and it still would not persuade some of them to change Airline.

On the opposite side of this some Clients will swap for as little as a fiver (cheapest price wins). The problem is that you do not get a champagne service with a bitter lemon budget!

 

[gulftraveller]

Surely it’s a question of QR competing with EK’s two daily offerings, not v.v.

The morning wave tends to be the weakest performer southbound. I do agree that frequency is preferable over capacity, even though a three daily EK could possibly be detrimental to QR’s operation..

 

[CL44]

Could there be a possibility that emirates might just reinstate the morning flight with a 777 instead of making the evening flight an a380 to compete with qatar? I would honestly prefer the morning flight back as it would give passengers more options. We have the a380 back which is great but I’m sure bhx would be fine with 1 a380 and 2 777s.

Whilst I loved having three flights available with EK and the 777, I do not see how this would now be offered as two flights does cover most of the banks of connecting flights. Please bear in mind the increase in costs per flight (handling / fuel and all the other little things that are chargeable to the Airline). Unless they know the PAX figures are there (with Cargo helping out as well) there is no guarantee to the Airline that they will make money by putting a third flight back in. Bear in mind that they now have competition with both QR and SV (which they did not have when the EK041/2 was in service).

 

[Scania1800]

Whilst I loved having three flights available with EK and the 777, I do not see how this would now be offered as two flights does cover most of the banks of connecting flights. Please bear in mind the increase in costs per flight (handling / fuel and all the other little things that are chargeable to the Airline). Unless they know the PAX figures are there (with Cargo helping out as well) there is no guarantee to the Airline that they will make money by putting a third flight back in. Bear in mind that they now have competition with both QR and SV (which they did not have when the EK041/2 was in service).

EK41/42 also had first class whereas the other 2 don’t

 

[Karl C]

EK41/42 also had first class whereas the other 2 don’t

First class definitely wasn't used on the morning flight. Was closed off when I used it.

 

[RichL]

Probably because nobody was booked into first on your particular flight.

41/42 definitely advertised / sold the F product.

 

[Karl C]

Absolutely.....was already aware there was no sold first class on the flight as it was First I wanted and was zeroed out

 

[RichL]

Thats crazy it was advertised with first.

No idea what happened there mate.

 

[Karl C]

It was a full flight too. Economy oversold and a fair few were bumped up to J. Shame F wasn't open as there was definitely one person willing to pay for it

 

[DarloPlaneBoy]

A6-EVB on today's EK39

 

[Timberwolf]

Hopefully never! We have just lost 11000 Kgs of capacity for cargo and now you want to double that loss by getting another A380 in? 1 x A380 & 1 x B773 works fine for me thank you.

It entirely depends what makes the most money for Emirates.The fact that BHX used to get 2 A380s a day would point to the high capacity A380 versions being able to generate more money than cargo.
So I would say the 2nd A380 would probably return next year.