Liverpool John Lennon - General Thread

[TheLocalYokel]

Good news for Liverpool Airport but I'm surprised that (a) MAN hasn't got a Bucharest scheduled service as the article seems to imply and (b) that if this is the case that this service didn't go to MAN rather than LPL.

 

[Aviador]

Liverpool John Lennon Airport seeks new hub connection in drive for growth

Liverpool airport is in a bit of a predicament. For years it has tried to attract a suitable hub operation with little success. KLM operated from the airport for only one season and withdrew. I can't see how they can attract the airline back having failed so miserably before. KLM must have more regional departures than any other connecting airline so if Liverpool and the "Peel deal" can't get KLM to return, I can't imagine any other airline operating to a hub airport from Liverpool.

 

[Aviador]

Liverpool John Lennon Airport says 'we will talk to anyone' as Gatwick announces £20m fund

This might not be an ideal solution for Liverpool airport but it might be a good way for the airport to progress forward with regards to establishing longer term connectivity with hub airports.

 

[yorkshire]

I see Liverpool airport was on the tv last week ..Holiday airport. I wonder if they would be a Holiday airport series for Leeds Bradford??.

So far what I can recall there as been Heathrow, Gatwick, Manchester, Bristol I think and now Liverpool that's been on the tv.

 

[IanFarquharson]

Growth in passenger throughput at Liverpool John Lennon Airport (LJLA) continued in February with 22% more passengers choosing to fly through LJLA compared to February 2015.

Almost 60,000 more passengers used LJLA last month compared to the same period last year.

All six airlines currently operating from Liverpool are reporting higher passenger load factors and increased capacity which has contributed to the growing numbers, as more passengers chose to fly through LJLA in February.

This month sees the start of a number of new services from Liverpool too. Vueling are due to start their inaugural service to Barcelona and Wizz Air are set to commence flights to both Budapest and Katowice. March also sees the return of Czech Airlines with their twice weekly flights to Prague, following their successful peak summer season last year.

2015 was Liverpool John Lennon Airport’s busiest year since 2012 with an 8% passenger increase compared to 2014 and the new services starting later this month are expected to contribute towards a continued upsurge in business at the Airport in 2016.

 

[Silvercity]

Liverpool Airport has announced a public consultation of their Master Plan to 2050. It states passengers to grow from 4.8 million in 2016 to 7.8 million by 2030, to 11 million in 2050. This will require investment in the terminal building, additional car parking, more food, retail and hotel services, and a potential of a runway extension, towards the easterly end.

 

[Silvercity]

Nearly half a million passengers used Liverpool in July 2017, biggest passenger total for July since 2011.

 

[Silvercity]

Liverpool Airport, along with Cardiff Wales and Birmingham, is on one of the only 3 airports in the UK to be awarded 5 stars from OAG for on time performance.

 

[Silvercity]

The on line travel company cheapflights.co.uk has just awarded Liverpool Airport as the UKs friendliest .

 

[Aviador]

The on line travel company cheapflights.co.uk has just awarded Liverpool Airport as the UKs friendliest .

As nice as it is I'm always wary of these kind of awards. Companies seem a little too slap-happy at dishing out awards to promote there own cause.

Similarly we should also be wary of criticism about airports on sites such as TripAdvisor as people do tend to focus on the negatives rather than the positives.

 

[Silvercity]

As nice as it is I'm always weary of these kind of awards. Companies seem a little too slap-happy at dishing out awards to promote there own cause.

Similarly we should also be weary of criticism about airports on sites such as TripAdvisor as people do tend to focus on the negatives rather than the positives.

They do people moan much more than praise !!

 

[Aviador]

..and I meant wary not weary. haha.

 

[Ray Finkle]

Credit routes online.

Primera Air Nordic in early-December 2017 plans to operate Akureyri – Liverpool routing, with 1 round-trip flight scheduled by Boeing 737-800 aircraft. Planned schedule as follows.

6F187 AEY0830 – 1105LPL 738 08DEC17
6F188 LPL2300 – 0145+1AEY 738 10DEC17

https://www.routesonline.com/news/3...ules-1-akureyri-liverpool-flight-in-dec-2017/

 

[Silvercity]

This looks like designed for inbound tourists. Christmas shoppers maybe, I guess UK is still cheaper than Iceland !?

 

[Aceshigh]

The domestic feed into Heathrow is all about supply and demand. Yes there is "probably" demand although the demise of Virgin Red and the BA LBA route doesn't exactly shout success, but as Dobbo says the critical element is the price point.

If it's impossible to make any money on Leeds Liverpool Humberside Teeside etc no one is going to operate the service.

The only airlines who could make a go of it are RYR EZY BA and FlyBe if capacity becomes available , but when a new runway is introduced then inevitably the landing fees will have to come down to make those routes viable , economic analysis suggests they will infact actually go up.

 

[Silvercity]

I fly from Liverpool a lot, normally to Faro. I use Manchester for long haul mainly, like tomorrow i'm off to Bangkok with Turkish for Christmas ; -) .

I also used to fly on British Midland from LPL to LHR quite a bit too, and felt it was a big shame when that ended, same for MME and LBA (although I know BA went back to fill LBA gap). There are loads of regional airports that lost their LHR link over the years NWI, HUY NQY, BHX,EMA probably more. Many of these now use Amsterdam as their hub, which means London is loosing this business and its link to the regions, which I don't think is a good thing, and probably adds to the problem the UK has with Londoncentric attitudes. Of course driving from these regions to Heathrow since their links have gone has got much much worse, their are coach links (still stuck in traffic) train (try that from Norwich to Heathrow !) Domestic transport is in my opinion poor in the UK.

As to Liverpool's London air links, since BMA, Easyjet operated a successful service to Luton, again I used it often, and sat on full 737s. The route ended because of the introduction of APD, and I recall them making quite a bit of noise about this. Since then of course the train has got much faster ( although often not cheap, the dearest in Europe I read at weekend !!). Will remain to see what happens in the future, if you could catch a train from say Crewe or Manchester or Liverpool directly to Heathrow Airport, this would negate air links to LHR. This would really need to be replicated nationwide to the SW , East Anglia, East Midlands and so on. Would it ever happen ? Maybe re establishing some domestic routes is desirable.

 

[rutamkrd]

Carl got to disagree with much of your comments particularly about connectivity.
Unless you personally choose to use BA does it matter if your first stop is at Amsterdam, Dubai, Newark or Billund , or perhaps use of the expanding regional long haul offerings from Manchester in particular.

BTW Anyone who wants to connect at third point for within Europe travel is probably in need of some help and education . Easy and Ryan together offer vastly more opportunities than the legacies EVER provided.

For many the first thing to see is the price and availability of desired dated of travel.
Many these days use the consolidators to find the “low” fare deals -these rely on immense advertising revenues and click through to make their money.

As for ground connections for instance Norwich to Stratford and onto the Elizabeth Line will make a significant difference pretty soon.

Runway 3 or no those small domestic routes are most unlikely to return what ever HAL says

Those twin otters and shorts operating decades ago rarely carried many passengers from the regions in point of fact and BMA pulled Speke years before domestic ADP was imposed, with the slot deployed elsewhere.

Oh and just another thought HS2 isn’t going to Heathrow either it’s will have you jump off at Old Oak Common change levels and onto Elizabeth or Heathrow Express in the current plans.

Plus no same station connections to HS1 Eurostar either classic England transport disjointed planning.

 

[Silvercity]

Carl got to disagree with much of your comments particularly about connectivity.
Unless you personally choose to use BA does it matter if your first stop is at Amsterdam, Dubai, Newark or Billund , or perhaps use of the expanding regional long haul offerings from Manchester in particular.

BTW Anyone wants to connect at third point for within Europe travel is probably in need of some help and education . Easy and Ryan together offer vastly most opportunities than the legacies EVER provided.



For many the first thing to see is the price and availability of desired dated of travel.
Many these days use the consolidators to find the “low” fare deals -these rely on immense advertising revenues and click through to make their money.

As for ground connections for instance Norwich to Stratford and onto the Elizabeth Line will make a significant difference pretty soon.

Runway 3 or no those small domestic routes are most unlikely to return what ever HAL says

Oh and just another thought HS2 isn’t going to Heathrow either it’s will have you jump off at Old Oak Common change levels and onto Elizabeth or Heathrow Express in the current plans.

Plus no same station connections to HS1 Eurostar either classic England transport disjointed planning.

Yes I think most people know that Easy and Ryan have connected the regions to many European destinations for some years now. I was referring to Heathrow as a long haul hub, that's all it really offers for passengers beyond London, but as I said its missing a lot of that, because the likes of Amsterdam connect the UK much better. It was easyjet that stopped the popular Liverpool to Luton service due to APD, which was many years after BMA.

 

[rutamkrd]

No so either most of the Heathrow traffic flows are also short haul in actual fact but again I say if you are making a connection what does it matter if it’s at Amsterdam or anywhere else.

Example South African offer quicker connections via Munich daily than Heathrow,
Kenya via Amsterdam, Tokyo via Helsinki, Australia - Qantas sell more tickets today via Dubai than they offered when they flew direct from Manchester with own metal.

Heathrow main USP is a bazillion daily US departures to over twenty differing cities and acknowledged excess capacity particularly at the back of the bus to NYC , leading to price dumping via consolidators and damaged viability of the regional service offerings as a result

BTW are you really trying to hide your Liverpubican view behind a sensible question.

Let’s face Speke can’t maintain legacy support on the key Amsterdam and Dublin routes even without a Heathrow service.

One of the few UK airports to secure and lose KLM that’s a feet to behold !

Perhaps the demand and economic drivers in the city regions industry and commerce just aren’t there to begin with and not helped by having Ringway 35 miles down the road.

 

[Jerry]

What was the reason that Liverpool lost it's KLM link? As they seem to be able to maintain links at other airports which i quite close together.