Route Development & Rumours

[rollo]

Orlando was once weekly for many years. I'm sure if someone goes back through this forum they will find more than a little moaning about it

Guilty as charged I'm afraid.

 

[route66]

Orlando was once weekly for many years. I'm sure if someone goes back through this forum they will find more than a little moaning about it

There are two families in my office that go to Florida every year from MAN and have done for year because 'it's so much cheaper than Birmingham'. I can't vouch for that as it's not somewhere I intend to go so don't really know the pricings.

If I remember correctly, there were several flights per week in the 80s/90s to Orlando from BHX. Why did they dry up?

 

[rollo]

Indeed there was a great variety of operators ovver a period Air Europe, Airtours, Liesure International, Monarch,First Choice, JMC/ Thomas Cook and Brittania only the latter survive and obviously all of them didn't operate at the same time.
Aircraft operated include 757s with fuel stop at Bangor Maine,767s DC10 no doubt I've missed some out and the operating period was aver a slightly longer period.

All the above no longer exist with the exception of Brittania now German owned TUI and the market has consolidated and centred particularly in London and Manchester.

 

[gulftraveller]

If I remember correctly, there were several flights per week in the 80s/90s to Orlando from BHX. Why did they dry up?

I know VS have said they will not serve BHX, but why not move the EDI-MCO service to Birmingham given that EDI has been far from a stellar performer? I have no doubt it would do better.

 

[Matt995]

Indeed there was a great variety of operators ovver a period Air Europe, Airtours, Liesure International, Monarch,First Choice, JMC/ Thomas Cook and Brittania only the latter survive and obviously all of them didn't operate at the same time.
Aircraft operated include 757s with fuel stop at Bangor Maine,767s DC10 no doubt I've missed some out and the operating period was aver a slightly longer period.

All the above no longer exist with the exception of Brittania now German owned TUI and the market has consolidated and centred particularly in London and Manchester.

Birmingham Summer Charter Flights To Orlando 1989 - 2019:-

Arr/Dpt	Destination	Via	Day	ETD	ETA	Day	A/C	Flight No	Frequency	Year
Depart	Orlando	Bangor	FRI	11:10	17:10	FRI	757	AE 130	weekly	1989
Arrival	Orlando	Bangor	FRI	18:40	09:35	FRI	757	AE 131	weekly	1989
Depart	Orlando	Bangor	MON	09:35	15:35	MON	757	AE 188	fortnightly	1989
Depart	Orlando	Bangor	SUN	12:30	18:30	SUN	757	AE 188	fortnightly	1989
Arrival	Orlando	Bangor	MON	16:35	07:30	MON	757	AE 189	fortnightly	1989
Arrival	Orlando	Bangor	MON	20:45	11:45	MON	757	AE 189	fortnightly	1989
Depart	Orlando	Bangor	SAT	09:00	14:40	SAT	762	BY 496 A	weekly	1989
Arrival	Orlando		SUN	16:35	05:50	SUN	762	BY 496 B	weekly	1989
Depart	Orlando	Bangor	THU	11:45	17:45	MON	757	AE 160	fortnightly	1990
Arrival	Orlando	Bangor	THU	18:45	09:45	MON	757	AE 161	fortnightly	1990
Depart	Orlando	Bangor	MON	09:10	15:10	MON	757	AE 168	weekly	1990
Arrival	Orlando	Bangor	MON	16:10	07:10	MON	757	AE 169	weekly	1990
Depart	Orlando	Bangor	FRI	09:15	15:05	FRI	762	BY 467 A	weekly	1990
Arrival	Orlando		SAT	16:35	05:50	SAT	762	BY 467 B	weekly	1990
Depart	Orlando	Bangor	SAT	10:15	16:05	SAT	762	BY 496 A	weekly	1990
Arrival	Orlando		SUN	16:35	05:55	SUN	762	BY 496 B	weekly	1990
Depart	Orlando	Bangor	WED	09:00	14:40	WED	762	BY 465 A	weekly	1991
Arrival	Orlando		THU	16:40	06:00	THU	762	BY 465 B	weekly	1991
Depart	Orlando	Bangor	SAT	10:00	15:45	SAT	762	BY 496 A	weekly	1991
Arrival	Orlando		SUN	17:40	07:00	SUN	762	BY 496 B	weekly	1991
Depart	Orlando	Bangor	SUN	07:20	13:20	SUN	757	AMM 711	weekly	1992
Arrival	Orlando	Bangor	MON	14:50	05:50	MON	757	AMM 712	weekly	1992
Depart	Orlando	Bangor	TUE	09:15	15:05	TUE	762	BY 422 A	weekly	1992
Arrival	Orlando		WED	16:35	05:55	WED	762	BY 422 B	weekly	1992
Depart	Orlando	Bangor	SAT	10:15	16:00	SAT	762	BY 496 A	weekly	1992
Arrival	Orlando		SUN	17:30	06:50	SUN	762	BY 496 B	weekly	1992
Depart	Orlando	Bangor	FRI	08:30	14:15	FRI	762	BY 096 A	weekly	1993
Arrival	Orlando		SAT	15:45	05:05	SAT	762	BY 096 B	weekly	1993
Depart	Orlando	Bangor	MON	14:20	20:10	MON	762	BY 519 A	weekly	1993
Arrival	Orlando		TUE	21:55	11:15	TUE	762	BY 519 B	weekly	1993
Depart	Orlando		SUN	11:00	15:15	SUN	763	ULE 793	weekly	1993
Arrival	Orlando		MON	17:45	07:05	MON	763	ULE 794	weekly	1993
Depart	Orlando	Bangor	THU	09:35	15:10	THU	762	BY 382 A	weekly	1994
Arrival	Orlando		FRI	16:40	06:00	FRI	762	BY 382 B	weekly	1994
Arrival	Orlando	Bangor & Glasgow	MON	09:30	01:55	MON	757	MON 064	weekly	1994
Depart	Orlando	Glasgow & Bangor	SAT	23:59	07:30	SUN	757	MON 065	weekly	1994
Depart	Orlando		FRI	10:45	15:00	FRI	763	ULE 707	weekly	1994
Arrival	Orlando		SAT	16:20	05:40	SAT	763	ULE 708	weekly	1994
Depart	Orlando	Bangor	FRI	10:25	16:05	FRI	762	BY 278 A	weekly	1995
Arrival	Orlando		SAT	17:35	06:55	SAT	762	BY 278 B	weekly	1995
Depart	Orlando		FRI	12:25	16:40	FRI	763	ULE 707	weekly	1995
Arrival	Orlando		SAT	18:10	07:30	SAT	763	ULE 708	weekly	1995
Arrival	Orlando		THU	17:00	06:20	THU	D10	MON 184	weekly	1996
Depart	Orlando		WED	10:30	14:45	WED	D10	MON 185	weekly	1996
Arrival	Orlando	Gander	SUN	21:45	12:15	SUN	L15	TZ 8720	fortnightly	1996
Depart	Orlando	Gander	SUN	14:15	20:00	SUN	L15	TZ 8721	fortnightly	1996
Depart	Orlando		TUE	13:25	17:40	TUE	763	ULE 713	fortnightly	1996
Arrival	Orlando		WED	19:10	08:30	WED	763	ULE 714	fortnightly	1996
Depart	Orlando		TUE	15:55	20:15	TUE	763	ULE 721	fortnightly	1996
Arrival	Orlando		WED	21:45	11:05	WED	763	ULE 722	fortnightly	1996
Depart	Orlando Sanford	Bangor	WED	07:00	13:00	WED	757	AIH 039	weekly	1996
Arrival	Orlando Sanford	Bangor	THU	14:30	05:00	THU	757	AIH 040	weekly	1996
Depart	Orlando Sanford	Bangor	THU	09:30	15:15	THU	762	BY 025 A	weekly	1996
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		FRI	16:45	06:00	FRI	762	BY 025 B	weekly	1996
Depart	Orlando Sanford	Bangor	FRI	07:00	13:00	FRI	757	AIH 055	weekly	1997
Arrival	Orlando Sanford	Bangor	SAT	14:30	04:55	SAT	757	AIH 056	weekly	1997
Depart	Orlando Sanford	Bangor	SAT	12:10	17:50	SAT	762	BY 426 A	weekly	1997
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		SUN	19:20	08:35	SUN	762	BY 426 B	weekly	1997
Depart	Orlando Sanford	Bangor	TUE	09:20	15:00	TUE	762	BY 590 A	weekly	1997
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		WED	16:30	05:45	WED	762	BY 590 B	weekly	1997
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		SAT	16:10	05:25	SAT	D10	MON 158	weekly	1997
Depart	Orlando Sanford		FRI	10:00	14:25	FRI	D10	MON 159	weekly	1997
Depart	Orlando Sanford		FRI	11:45	16:05	FRI	763	AIH 055	weekly	1998
Depart	Orlando Sanford	Bangor	FRI	09:30	15:25	FRI	763	AIH 055	weekly	1998
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		SAT	17:35	06:55	SAT	763	AIH 056	weekly	1998
Arrival	Orlando Sanford	Belfast	SAT	16:55	07:25	SAT	763	AIH 056	weekly	1998
Depart	Orlando Sanford		THU	10:05	14:20	THU	762	BY 172 A	weekly	1998
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		FRI	15:50	05:00	FRI	762	BY 172 B	weekly	1998
Depart	Orlando Sanford		SAT	09:30	13:55	SAT	762	BY 426 A	weekly	1998
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		SUN	15:55	05:15	SUN	762	BY 426 B	weekly	1998
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		SAT	16:35	05:50	SAT	D10	MON 158	weekly	1998
Depart	Orlando Sanford		FRI	10:25	14:50	FRI	D10	MON 159	weekly	1998
Depart	Orlando		THU	11:15	15:30	THU	762	BY 172 A	weekly	1999
Arrival	Orlando		FRI	17:30	06:45	FRI	762	BY 172 B	weekly	1999
Depart	Orlando		FRI	11:20	15:35	FRI	763	BY 564 A	fortnightly	1999
Arrival	Orlando		SAT	17:30	06:50	SAT	763	BY 564 B	fortnightly	1999
Depart	Orlando Sanford		FRI	10:15	14:35	FRI	763	AIH 055	weekly	1999
Depart	Orlando Sanford		FRI	11:00	15:15	FRI	763	AIH 055	weekly	1999
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		SAT	16:35	05:45	SAT	763	AIH 056	weekly	1999
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		SAT	17:15	06:35	SAT	763	AIH 056	weekly	1999
Depart	Orlando Sanford		SUN	10:00	14:20	SUN	763	AMM 044 C	weekly	1999
Depart	Orlando Sanford		SUN	10:55	15:10	SUN	763	AMM 044 C	weekly	1999
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		MON	15:25	04:40	MON	763	AMM 044 D	weekly	1999
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		MON	16:20	05:35	MON	763	AMM 044 D	weekly	1999
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		SAT	16:55	06:10	SAT	D10	MON 158	weekly	1999
Depart	Orlando Sanford		FRI	10:00	14:25	FRI	D10	MON 159	weekly	1999
Depart	Orlando		THU	11:00	15:15	THU	763	BY 172 A	weekly	2000
Arrival	Orlando		FRI	17:25	06:45	FRI	763	BY 172 B	weekly	2000
Depart	Orlando		FRI	11:05	15:20	FRI	763	BY 564 A	weekly	2000
Arrival	Orlando		SAT	17:30	06:50	SAT	763	BY 564 B	weekly	2000
Depart	Orlando Sanford		FRI	10:20	14:35	FRI	763	AIH 055	weekly	2000
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		SAT	16:35	05:45	SAT	763	AIH 056	weekly	2000
Depart	Orlando Sanford	Belfast	MON	12:00	17:55	MON	763	AMM 032 C	weekly	2000
Depart	Orlando Sanford		SAT	11:00	15:15	SAT	763	AMM 043 C	weekly	2000
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		SUN	16:45	06:00	SUN	763	AMM 043 D	weekly	2000
Depart	Orlando Sanford	Dublin	SUN	08:30	14:25	SUN	763	AMM 044 C	weekly	2000
Arrival	Orlando Sanford	Dublin	MON	16:25	06:55	MON	763	AMM 044 D	weekly	2000
Depart	Orlando Sanford		THU	10:50	15:05	THU	D10	JMC 5542	weekly	2000
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		FRI	16:05	05:15	FRI	D10	JMC 5543	weekly	2000
Depart	Orlando		THU	09:05	13:20	THU	763	BY 172 A	weekly	2001
Arrival	Orlando		FRI	15:15	04:35	FRI	763	BY 172 B	weekly	2001
Depart	Orlando Sanford		FRI	10:20	14:35	FRI	763	AIH 055	weekly	2001
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		SAT	16:35	05:45	SAT	763	AIH 056	weekly	2001
Depart	Orlando Sanford		SAT	11:00	15:15	SAT	763	AMM 043 C	weekly	2001
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		SUN	16:45	06:00	SUN	763	AMM 043 D	weekly	2001
Depart	Orlando Sanford		THU	09:10	13:40	THU	763	JMC 054 K	fortnightly	2001
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		FRI	15:40	04:50	FRI	763	JMC 054 L	fortnightly	2001
Depart	Orlando Sanford		SAT	10:15	14:30	SAT	763	AMM 043 C	weekly	2002
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		SUN	16:00	05:15	SUN	763	AMM 043 D	weekly	2002
Depart	Orlando Sanford		FRI	10:00	14:15	FRI	763	AMM 044 C	weekly	2002
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		SAT	15:45	05:00	SAT	763	AMM 044 D	weekly	2002
Depart	Orlando Sanford		THU	12:00	16:25	THU	330	JMC 365 K	weekly	2002
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		FRI	17:40	06:50	FRI	330	JMC 365 L	weekly	2002
Depart	Orlando Sanford		SAT	09:40	14:10	SAT	763	MYT 029	weekly	2002
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		SUN	15:40	04:50	SUN	763	MYT 030	weekly	2002
Depart	Orlando Sanford		THU	08:00	12:50	THU	763	AMM 060	weekly	2003
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		FRI	13:50	03:05	FRI	763	AMM 061	weekly	2003
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		FRI	14:55	04:10	FRI	330	MON 312	weekly	2003
Depart	Orlando Sanford		THU	08:30	12:55	THU	330	MON 313	weekly	2003
Depart	Orlando Sanford		SAT	09:40	14:00	SAT	763	MYT 069	weekly	2003
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		SUN	15:50	05:00	SUN	763	MYT 070	weekly	2003
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		FRI	15:15	04:30	SAT	763	BY 299 B	weekly	2004
Depart	Orlando Sanford		FRI	09:00	13:25	FRI	763	BY 372 A	weekly	2004
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		THU	14:00	03:15	FRI	330	MON 312	weekly	2004
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		THU	14:55	04:10	FRI	330	MON 312	weekly	2004
Depart	Orlando Sanford		THU	07:30	12:00	THU	330	MON 313	weekly	2004
Depart	Orlando Sanford		THU	08:30	12:55	THU	330	MON 313	weekly	2004
Depart	Orlando Sanford		SAT	11:00	15:30	SAT	763	MYT 069	weekly	2004
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		SAT	17:20	06:35	SUN	763	MYT 070	weekly	2004
Depart	Orlando Sanford		THU	11:15	15:35	THU	763	BY 162 A	weekly	2005
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		THU	17:20	06:35	FRI	763	BY 162 B	weekly	2005
Depart	Orlando Sanford		FRI	09:25	13:45	FRI	763	BY 299 A	weekly	2005
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		THU	15:30	04:45	FRI	763	BY 299 B	weekly	2005
Depart	Orlando Sanford		FRI	09:25	13:40	FRI	763	TOM 1041	weekly	2006
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		FRI	15:25	04:35	SAT	763	TOM 1042	weekly	2006
Depart	Orlando Sanford		THU	11:15	15:30	THU	763	TOM 3367	weekly	2006
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		THU	17:15	06:25	FRI	763	TOM 3368	weekly	2006
Depart	Orlando Sanford		THU	11:15	15:30	THU	763	TOM 3367	weekly	2007
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		THU	17:15	06:25	FRI	763	TOM 3368	weekly	2007
Depart	Orlando Sanford		FRI	09:45	14:00	FRI	763	TOM 4911	weekly	2008
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		FRI	16:15	05:25	SAT	763	TOM 4912	weekly	2008
Depart	Orlando Sanford		FRI	11:00	15:15	FRI	763	TOM 804	weekly	2009
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		FRI	17:15	06:25	SAT	763	TOM 805	weekly	2009
Depart	Orlando Sanford		WED	09:15	13:45	WED	763	TOM 258	weekly	2010
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		WED	15:45	04:55	THU	763	TOM 259	weekly	2010
Depart	Orlando Sanford	Glasgow	SAT	09:20	16:20	SAT	763	TOM 352	weekly	2010
Depart	Orlando Sanford	Glasgow	SAT	09:20	16:20	SAT	763	TOM 352	weekly	2010
Depart	Orlando Sanford	Glasgow	SAT	09:20	16:20	SAT	763	TOM 352	ad-hoc	2010
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		SAT	18:20	07:30	SUN	763	TOM 353	ad-hoc	2010
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		SUN	18:55	08:05	MON	763	TOM 587	ad-hoc	2010
Depart	Orlando Sanford		MON	11:15	15:45	MON	763	TOM 630	weekly	2011
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		MON	17:45	06:55	TUE	763	TOM 631	weekly	2011
Depart	Orlando Sanford		FRI	10:15	14:40	FRI	763	TOM 796	weekly	2012
Depart	Orlando Sanford	Manchester	FRI	09:20	15:55	FRI	763	TOM 796	weekly	2012
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		FRI	16:40*	05:55	SAT	763	TOM 797	weekly	2012
Depart	Orlando Sanford		SUN	10:30	14:55	SUN	763	TOM 630	weekly	2013
Depart	Orlando Sanford		SUN	11:55	16:20	SUN	763	TOM 630	weekly	2013
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		SUN	16:55*	06:10	MON	763	TOM 631	weekly	2013
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		SUN	18:10*	07:25	MON	763	TOM 631	weekly	2013
Depart	Orlando Sanford		SUN	10:30	14:40	SUN	788	TOM 630	weekly	2014
Depart	Orlando Sanford		SUN	10:30	14:55	SUN	763	TOM 630	weekly	2014
Depart	Orlando Sanford		SUN	11:30	15:55	SUN	763	TOM 630	weekly	2014
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		SUN	16:45*	06:00	MON	763	TOM 631	weekly	2014
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		SUN	17:05*	06:00	MON	788	TOM 631	weekly	2014
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		SUN	17:40*	06:55	MON	763	TOM 631	weekly	2014
Depart	Orlando Sanford		THU	10:30	14:40	THU	788	TOM 630	weekly	2015
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		THU	17:05*	06:00	FRI	788	TOM 631	weekly	2015
Depart	Orlando Sanford		THU	11:10	15:20	THU	788	TOM 630	weekly	2016
Depart	Orlando Sanford		THU	11:10	15:20	THU	788	TOM 630	weekly	2016
Depart	Orlando Sanford		THU	11:55	16:05	THU	788	TOM 630	weekly	2016
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		THU	17:25*	06:20	FRI	788	TOM 631	weekly	2016
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		THU	17:25*	06:20	FRI	788	TOM 631	weekly	2016
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		THU	18:05*	07:00	FRI	788	TOM 631	weekly	2016
Depart	Orlando		SUN	11:40	15:55	SUN	332	MT 2708	weekly	2017
Arrival	Orlando		SUN	16:35*	05:55	MON	332	MT 2709	weekly	2017
Depart	Orlando Sanford		THU	11:15	15:20	THU	788	TOM 630	weekly	2017
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		THU	17:25*	06:20	FRI	788	TOM 631	weekly	2017
Depart	Orlando Sanford		THU	11:15	15:20	THU	788	TOM 630	weekly	2018
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		THU	17:20*	06:15	FRI	788	TOM 631	weekly	2018
Depart	Orlando Sanford		FRI	11:10	15:15	FRI	788	TOM 630	weekly	2019
Arrival	Orlando Sanford		FRI	17:20*	06:15	SAT	788	TOM 631	weekly	2019

 

[rollo]

Many thanks Matt fantastic work, we flew on some of them with our children.

 

[Birmingham Aviation]

Just been looking at aircraft usage by Saudia.Looks like it could be 787-10 all series for Thursday,Sunday and Tuesday flights this is what I found in December.Dont know about the rest of the winter months.Good demand it’s seems to be

 

[IanFarquharson]

SV loads are pretty much full outbound and have been for a few weeks (inc the 4th weekly flight)

 

[Birmingham Aviation]

SV loads are pretty much full outbound and have been for a few weeks (inc the 4th weekly flight)

Ian can you confirm if it’s 4 weekly just for August cause the airport saying it’s 4 weekly year though it’s 3 weekly on Saudias website

 

[Matt995]

Ian can you confirm if it’s 4 weekly just for August cause the airport saying it’s 4 weekly year though it’s 3 weekly on Saudias website

The 4th Jeddah flight (Saturdays) is still due to finish on the 31st August, Saturday flights are not bookable after that date

 

[IanFarquharson]

The 4th Jeddah flight (Saturdays) is still due to finish on the 31st August, Saturday flights are not bookable after that date

BHX didn't actually say the 4th flight was permanent but with current pax levels it needs to be

 

[Scania1800]

Not 100% confirmed, but there is a discussion in regards to actually making Saudia Flight daily, or an additional evening service occurring summer 25 period. However there are factors barring this from happening, main reason being new destinations their also considering, however, I have noticed EK37/38 will not being going A380 next year, I am unsure if this is too early to note yet, but time will tell

 

[IanFarquharson]

Not 100% confirmed, but there is a discussion in regards to actually making Saudia Flight daily, or an additional evening service occurring summer 25 period. However there are factors barring this from happening, main reason being new destinations their also considering, however, I have noticed EK37/38 will not being going A380 next year, I am unsure if this is too early to note yet, but time will tell

EK37/38 may well become an A359

 

[Birmingham Aviation]

EK37/38 may well become an A359

Is that a rumour or prediction

 

[IanFarquharson]

Is that a rumour or prediction

Most likely outcome

 

[Birmingham Aviation]

Most likely outcome

So it’s likely we could have 1 A350 and 1 B77W?

 

[Matt995]

EK37/38 may well become an A359

are you sure Ian? the first 10 A359s for Emirates will only have 312 seats, 32 business, 21 premimum economy, and 259 economy. Emirates don't do business class from BHX?

Also the current B77W used have 2 class seating, totalling 428 seats, so a lost of 116 x 2 = 232 seats a day? Are Emirates struggling to fill seats out of BHX?

 

[gulftraveller]

Not 100% confirmed, but there is a discussion in regards to actually making Saudia Flight daily, or an additional evening service occurring summer 25 period. However there are factors barring this from happening, main reason being new destinations their also considering, however,

Saudia tends to grow routes slowly. First will be permanent fourth weekly, then in 12 to 18 months 5 weekly etc. As for an evening service, only London in Europe has a late evening departure. Saudia’s schedule is pretty chaotic, so interlining through Jeddah is hit and miss. An evening service from BHX (or MAN, LGW) would serve little purpose except for point to point traffic. As a rule, the BHX route will follow the LGW and MAN growth pattern. Maybe once Riyadh Air intentions are clearer, Saudia will organise their schedule better.

 

[IanFarquharson]

So it’s likely we could have 1 A350 and 1 B77W?

EK39 would stay A388, it is EK37 that could change and may not happen.
As Matt pointed out it would be a drop in seats if it happened.
EK loads have been brilliant during the school holidays as you would expect but not so good before that from the UK (not just BHX)

 

[nwoody2001]

EK39 would stay A388, it is EK37 that could change and may not happen.
As Matt pointed out it would be a drop in seats if it happened.
EK loads have been brilliant during the school holidays as you would expect but not so good before that from the UK (not just BHX)

I would legit be amazing if EK037/038 was downgraded to an A359 on a permanent basis... there maybe seasonal substitutions based on seasonal lows during MAY/JUNE, but beyond that and based on the rumours I've heard its far from likely to be a permanent downgrade without other additions to the schedule.

EK037/038 YTD has carried circa: 161,000 Pax, with an average load factor of 356 pax per flight or 84% Load Factor - and that including the low months of MAY/JUNE. With the EK 359 only carrying 312 pax , they would be handing nearly 100 pax a day to their competition. In August, I believe average load facts or 420 pax per flight so pretty much 99% LF. They would be handing over 200 pax a day to the likes of QR/TK/SV or MAN/LHR if they downgraded to the 359 over next summer!

are you sure Ian? the first 10 A359s for Emirates will only have 312 seats, 32 business, 21 premimum economy, and 259 economy. Emirates don't do business class from BHX?

Also the current B77W used have 2 class seating, totalling 428 seats, so a lost of 116 x 2 = 232 seats a day? Are Emirates struggling to fill seats out of BHX?

For clarity, Emirates don't do First Class out of BHX, they offer Business Class on all flights on its network!