Route Development & Rumours

[jfy1999]

A great announcement, however, a few years on these forums has stripped away all my optimism! 2027 is still quite a way away yet, and I'd imagine this would be served by a narrow body rather than a widebody as pictured!

Hope to be proven wrong on both fronts. Exciting if it comes to fruition

My thoughts exactly. The situation in the Middle East is still very volatile. They have been making losses recently because of the wars going on.

However, their Manchester route has survived so far, despite everything that happened in the last year, which makes me optimistic that they are willing to keep trying new markets.

 

[andrew.clarkson]

Hi there all, out of those seven predicted airlines by 2027 at Birmingham airport, I will say Austrian, pia, and Jordanian. All the rest, 0 chance.

 

[Nethercote2019]

Play was a big rumour last year but all gone very quiet since

 

[IanFarquharson]

Play was a big rumour last year but all gone very quiet since

BHX more or less announced Play - then all went quiet
BHX have also said they are in talks with Cathay - I do think we will see them within 12 months at BHX

 

[Hassaan]

I am surprised in a way that the runway extension (which has been open for 10 years now) has not drastically changed things, but I know it's not that simple.

 

[gulftraveller]

BHX more or less announced Play - then all went quiet
BHX have also said they are in talks with Cathay - I do think we will see them within 12 months at BHX

Cathay is currently struggling to recruit sufficient numbers of crew. I believe they are 1400 employees short. And given that CX have decided against restarting LGW, I think this one is unlikely.

 

[andrew.clarkson]

In someways, was it the right decision to take, or a waste of money, because it hasn't really benefited anyone.

 

[Scania1800]

Play was a big rumour last year but all gone very quiet since

PLAY was actually confirmed to start alongside Aegean until they pulled out due to “tough decisions to keep the market fair”

 

[Finger66]

Play are also re focusing their business model more on southern Europe, so that too could be a non starter

 

[Birmingham Aviation]

Play are also re focusing their business model more on southern Europe, so that too could be a non starter

Do you know what I would put my money on Ita Airways to come to bhx in the next 3 years and Flyone airlines from chisinău

 

[IanFarquharson]

ITA don't fly to LHR, MAN or EDI so very little chance of them re-starting BHX

 

[Birmingham Aviation]

ITA don't fly to LHR, MAN or EDI so very little chance of them re-starting BHX

I would say
Austrian needs to come back

Wizz air need to expand even P&W engines are doing over and aircraft is already doing them over

I would like to see sky up or fly one operate bhx from chisinău

Finnair I can see in the next 3 years however they have a big market in London and Manchester

 

[Nethercote2019]

I would say
Austrian needs to come back

Wizz air need to expand even P&W engines are doing over and aircraft is already doing them over

I would like to see sky up or fly one operate bhx from chisinău

Finnair I can see in the next 3 years however they have a big market in London and Manchester

Why does Austrian need to come back ?
Fly one did a weekly flight that was very short lived- not sure what market is for this ?
Finnair…. 20 years & counting so far ( & TAP)

 

[Matt995]

To be honest, its almost impossible to say what new airlines we will have at Birmingham over the next few years.

We can all guess what airlines we would like, and what routes we want served, but you have to consider, firstly is their demand for the route? Destinations like Chisnau, Ashgabat for example would have very little demand, so are not likely to be served. Then the airline in question has to have enough available aircraft to operate the new route, PIA especially don't at present, and are struggling to source engines for their 777 fleet. Then the contract terms at Birmingham have to be acceptable, to both parties. We also have to consider world events, inflation, price, cost, living standards etc

These are reasons why airport can talk to airlines for years, with no new route sucessfully negotiated. We now know we were close to get Play, the airport has mentioned Finnair & Cathy as 2 new carriers/route they would like, Royal Jordanian have hinted at a 2027 start, (still 2 & a half years away), we had Gulf Air annouce BHX many years ago, and then pull out, nothing is ever set in stone in aviation.

We all would like to see the likes of American, Delta, Jet Blue, United, Air Canada, Air Transat on transatlantic routes, the likes of Cathy, Eithad, Gulf Air, Ethiopian etc, and European Airlines, Austrian, Finnair Iberia, ITA, TAP, etc but Birmingham is not the only airport talking to these airlines, competiton is tough, and we still have to remember, we are geographically situated between Manchester and London, large airports that we just can't compete with at present!!

We all have to be patient, and be thankfully for any new airlines that decide to serve Birmingham over the next few years. Fingers crossed we see some new and exciting carriers!

 

[Hassaan]

In someways, was it the right decision to take, or a waste of money, because it hasn't really benefited anyone.

I see almost no difference between BHX before the runway extension and now. The A380 perhaps but not much else.

 

[Nethercote2019]

I see almost no difference between BHX before the runway extension and now. The A380 perhaps but not much else.

I think the A330 China flights the 1st year and some aircraft can now carry heavier payload than before extension( A380) but main benefit is probably for the 747 freighters ? Not much else …

 

[GliderPilot]

On that note though, I'm enjoying this ad hoc heavy cargo traffic whilst we have it. I know it won't last forever so it's brilliant.

 

[Brum X]

So what's this I've read on the dried fruit forum about Air India restarting BHX -YYZ, possibly in 2025 ?

Ian F ?????

 

[Hassaan]

So what's this I've read on the dried fruit forum about Air India restarting BHX -YYZ, possibly in 2025 ?

Ian F ?????

Why would they do that if they can do that journey directly now? Unless the primary purpose is to give BHX a link to there?

 

[David_itl]

The critical thing that's impacting prospective route planning for airlines is supply chain issues to improve aircraft production rates. Airlines will have an internal timescale for when to launch a route, sometimes they will make it public. For the time being, for the likes of MAN and BHX, it's getting the route that they want to have highest possible numbers against similar airports (DUB, AMS, LIS, BCN, MAD, DUS,, most major Scandinavian) that may be vying for that route. I've put DUB, AMS and LIS in that mix purely because thee are impositions that could be politically in play. It may be a case of "pinching" an airline off a route because numbers now favour BHX.

Some routes there could be the problem of having Ryanair and/or Wizzair deciding to compete with low fares on a new route, knocking off the new airline although for a network perspective, the new airlines doing that route would be more beneficial e.g, Air Baltic twice trying to do MAN-Riga but got burnt by Ryanair