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A truly memorable moment in a truly memorable year. It was a scorcher too if I remember it correctly.
 

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What are we to make of the growing exodus from Europe to China? Obviously I can't read Gareth's mind but I've heard many armchair commentators accuse him of greed and/or laziness.
Not really a football fan but if the European teams don't bid for him or can't afford him then he'll go to where they can and he does need playing time. Gareth doesn't seem a stupid person so he'll have no doubt thought of pros and cons before hand. Might now mean CWL gets some private jet flights from China!
 

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Not really a football fan but if the European teams don't bid for him or can't afford him then he'll go to where they can and he does need playing time. Gareth doesn't seem a stupid person so he'll have no doubt thought of pros and cons before hand. Might now mean CWL gets some private jet flights from China!
He won't be playing at a high level in China so competitive international matches with Wales might be a test if he is not match-fit for that standard of football.
 

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He won't be playing at a high level in China so competitive international matches with Wales might be a test if he is not match-fit for that standard of football.
Hopefully it will mean he's fitter for Wales as well.
 

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Hopefully it will mean he's fitter for Wales as well.
We won't know now because Real Madrid have called off the China move for Bale.
 

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I don't follow the development of the rules of the game that closely, so Manchester City's disallowed goal against Tottenham yesterday was the first time I recall seeing the accidental handball rule spelled out.

Lots of people complaining that it violates the "spirit of the game", but I suppose that depends whether one takes the fans' viewpoint or the referees' viewpoint.

Clearly the alternative to ruling out all use of the arm/hand is to let the referee interpret whether the touch was deliberate (and he can't usually rely on the players for that!).

But under the old laws a referee who had given a series of decisions in favour of one team might feel under pressure to redress the balance by "interpreting" the handball replay in favour of the other, whereas the new rule removes the possibility of that.
 

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I don't follow the development of the rules of the game that closely, so Manchester City's disallowed goal against Tottenham yesterday was the first time I recall seeing the accidental handball rule spelled out.

Lots of people complaining that it violates the "spirit of the game", but I suppose that depends whether one takes the fans' viewpoint or the referees' viewpoint.

Clearly the alternative to ruling out all use of the arm/hand is to let the referee interpret whether the touch was deliberate (and he can't usually rely on the players for that!).

But under the old laws a referee who had given a series of decisions in favour of one team might feel under pressure to redress the balance by "interpreting" the handball replay in favour of the other, whereas the new rule removes the possibility of that.
It's a new law of the game this season. If a goal is scored after accidentally touching an attacker's hand or arm the 'goal' will be disallowed (if it was deliberate it would always have been ruled out). Below is the new law relating to handball (Law 12).

  • Deliberate handball remains an offence
  • The following ‘handball’ situations, even if accidental, will be a free kick:
    • The ball goes into the goal after touching an attacking player’s hand/arm
    • A player gains control/possession of the ball after it has touches their hand/arm•and then scores, or creates a goal-scoring opportunity
    • The ball touches a player’s hand/arm which has made their body unnaturally bigger
    • The ball touches a player’s hand/arm when it is above their shoulder (unless the player has deliberately played the ball which then touches their hand/arm
There are several other new laws this season relating to such things as penalty kicks, 'walls' at free kicks, dropped balls, goal kicks, goal celebrations, kick-off, medical breaks, substitutes leaving the field, players' equipment, quick free kicks not delayed for yellow or red card.

The below link lists the new laws.

 

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A sad day for the EFL and things could get worse in two weeks time.

Football finances are a mess. Without the massive tv deals Premier League clubs would be struggling too.

It's all short-termism. Spend now in the hope of success with no thought as to what will happen if it all turns to rodent droppings. Many club owners are barely caretakers of a club. Few are dyed-in-the-wool supporters like the fans. They come in, buy the club and is some cases asset-strip and in others hope their investment will bear fruit, either with a good performance in the Prem or promotion from the Championship into the gold-plated world of the Prem.

Even small clubs in the lower divisions look at a club such as Bournemouth that almost 'did a Bury' a decade or so (Bournemouth were in League 2, Bury were in in League 1) ago and is now sailing well in the Premier League. The thought must be there that if they can do it so can we, hence the irrational over-spending that is all too prevalent.

Some clubs with an eye to today and not tomorrow circumnavigate the financial fair play rules by selling their ground and leasing it back.

I am in no doubt that other clubs will follow Bury's path in the years ahead. My sympathy and empathy are with the genuine fans who follow the club year in and year out whoever owns it. They are the real owners if not the legal ones. Without fans there wouldn't be any clubs.
 

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Always enjoyable to see a school playground score in an international.

I don't think Southgate will be pick the same defence for Euro 2020, though :unsure:
Kosovo played the first half either naively or adventurously, perhaps a combination of both. That left so many gaps in their defence that England were able to score almost at will with their jet-propelled movements up field.

5-1 at half-time in any professional game of a reasonable standard rarely provides another six goals in the second half although I thought England might finish up winning 6-1 or 7-1. I didn't expect the second-half heart and passion displayed by the visitors and the somewhat bemused and diffident reaction to it by England.

The hosts still had plenty of opportunities to add to their score though, especially with the visitors intent on reducing the 5-3 deficit even more. Had Kane not missed the penalty and Sterling hit the post when it seemed easier to score (but what a player and what a performance from him, particularly in the first half) the game might well have finished up something like 7-3.

Going forward England look as good as any country but the defence is another matter.
 

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