Loganair

[Brum X]

How are Loganair managing to put so many extra flights on they've obviously the aircraft available to do so does that mean that at present they've aircraft sat about idle a fair amount of the time?

Good point, I was thinking the same.

 

[Jerry]

They did cancel some routes before. So maybe they've found some slack in their schedules due to that and they may well delay sending back aircraft and bring in some more.

 

[58terminus]

It is interesting isn't it that the probably the only 2 UK airlines with the right sort of equipment for these routes were in a position to
announce all these routes at such sort notice 3 weeks before Summer schedules kick in.. Infact some airports were hinting today even before the airlines announcements.
Makes you think.

 

[big vern]

It is interesting isn't it that the probably the only 2 UK airlines with the right sort of equipment for these routes were in a position to
announce all these routes at such sort notice 3 weeks before Summer schedules kick in.. Infact some airports were hinting today even before the airlines announcements.
Makes you think.

Flybe were doomed and they knew it, they just made plans that have come to fruition.

 

[mullion]

Airlines and airports are always talking and have a very good idea of what is happening or likely/possible to happen
and will be thinking ahead, early bird and worm come to mind, look at what happened to TCX routes.

 

[nwoody2001]

my question is - and probably the wrong thread - but when lobbying govt to not offer state aid, Ryanair and easyJet both stated they were primed to jump and deal with the loss of Flybe. Ok they wont be good for every route/airport but still very quiet from them.

 

[mullion]

I really cannot see Ryanair jumping for any of the routes, Easy may for some of the routes as they already serve the likes of Belfast, Edinburgh and Glasgow

 

[Jerry]

my question is - and probably the wrong thread - but when lobbying govt to not offer state aid, Ryanair and easyJet both stated they were primed to jump and deal with the loss of Flybe. Ok they wont be good for every route/airport but still very quiet from them.

I would say that was most likely a load of BS!

 

[Silvercity]

my question is - and probably the wrong thread - but when lobbying govt to not offer state aid, Ryanair and easyJet both stated they were primed to jump and deal with the loss of Flybe. Ok they wont be good for every route/airport but still very quiet from them.

Quite all very quiet now from them

 

[andrew.clarkson]

Hi there all, Very sad about flybe, could have been saved if that consortium really wanted to save it, but not bothered about putting more money in when needed, only ever interested from day one, was the slots at Heathrow, that's all, nothing else. So now flybe now gone, that consortium is left red faced.... Andyc

 

[Nethercote2019]

Very little mention in media of virgin/connect or mr Branson who is normally very PR savvy

 

[andrew.clarkson]

Hi there Nethercote2019, Branson is keeping very low key at this moment, because one false move would cost him dearly, but to not make any statement at all, shows shear ignorance and rudeness by the consortium... Andyc

 

[Vinny94]

Very little mention in media of virgin/connect or mr Branson who is normally very PR savvy

When I go into the Virgin Connect website, it just says page not found so it seems like it no longer exists.

https://www.virgin.com/virgin-connect

 

[andrew.clarkson]

Very interesting indeed, so now he's screwed up flybe with his other two mates, Stobart Air and Cyrus investments, Branson and his chums will lye low for a while, then once the dust has settled, come back as if nothing has happened, wrong Mr Branson, can't face the media what he's done, so he's decided to hide.... Andyc

 

[nwoody2001]

I really cannot see Ryanair jumping for any of the routes, Easy may for some of the routes as they already serve the likes of Belfast, Edinburgh and Glasgow

You're kidding right? I see nearly all of the German, Italian and French (big) city routes as fare game for EZY/RYR... just an issue of slot and aircraft availability

 

[Seasider]

You're kidding right? I see nearly all of the German, Italian and French (big) city routes as fare game for EZY/RYR... just an issue of slot and aircraft availability

I don't think he is kidding. Ryanair/easyJet fly aircraft with twice the capacity of Flybe so I very much doubt that they could make it work. Ryanair have still capacity problems with the max fiasco and easyJet already fly some of the routes that Flybe did so will make a "killing without having to lay on extra flights.

 

[nwoody2001]

I don't think he is kidding. Ryanair/easyJet fly aircraft with twice the capacity of Flybe so I very much doubt that they could make it work. Ryanair have still capacity problems with the max fiasco and easyJet already fly some of the routes that Flybe did so will make a "killing without having to lay on extra flights.

I clearly stated that slot and aircraft availability would be an issue...

...but just because flybe used to fly the route doesn't mean the market could only sustain a flybe level of pax…

Berlin used to be 2x daily BEE - easily 1x daily 737/320 capacity
Amsterdam used to be 7x daily BEE - easily 2-3x daily 737/320 capacity
Glasgow used to be 7x daily BEE - easily 2-3x daily 737/320 capacity (2x daily easy starting soon)
Edinburgh used to be 7x daily BEE - easily 2-3x daily 737/320 capacity (2x daily easy starting soon)
Belfast used to be 7x daily BEE - easily 2-3x daily 737/320 capacity
Milan used to be 2x daily BEE - easily 1x daily 737/320 capacity
Dusseldorf used to be 4x daily BEE - easily 2x daily 737/320 capacity
Paris used to be 3x daily BEE - easily 1x daily 737/320 capacity if not more

then there was TLS, LYS, HAM, HAJ, STR all daily BEE which could easily sustain 3-4x weekly frequencies for larger aircraft.

 

[Rob c DSA]

I clearly stated that slot and aircraft availability would be an issue...

...but just because flybe used to fly the route doesn't mean the market could only sustain a flybe level of pax…

Berlin used to be 2x daily BEE - easily 1x daily 737/320 capacity
Amsterdam used to be 7x daily BEE - easily 2-3x daily 737/320 capacity
Glasgow used to be 7x daily BEE - easily 2-3x daily 737/320 capacity (2x daily easy starting soon)
Edinburgh used to be 7x daily BEE - easily 2-3x daily 737/320 capacity (2x daily easy starting soon)
Belfast used to be 7x daily BEE - easily 2-3x daily 737/320 capacity
Milan used to be 2x daily BEE - easily 1x daily 737/320 capacity
Dusseldorf used to be 4x daily BEE - easily 2x daily 737/320 capacity
Paris used to be 3x daily BEE - easily 1x daily 737/320 capacity if not more

then there was TLS, LYS, HAM, HAJ, STR all daily BEE which could easily sustain 3-4x weekly frequencies for larger aircraft.

Depend on load factors Flybe had on those routes also, the loco's wouldn't want to be running around with load factors of 60-70% three times a day

 

[HPsauce]

I don't feel slating Richard Branson is achieving anything. He has little sway at Virgin these days. He is used as a figurehead more for advertising purposes as his face and name are widely known. If we are patient i believe the lost Flybe routes will be replaced largely. Whether by EZ or others. Firstly we need to get through this difficult period for airlines the world over.

 

[mullion]

Flybe pay were mainly suits heading for meetings in UK who want frequent schedules not 1 a day