The Pole

Well-Known Member
Jan 20, 2009
597
113
Leeds
Was up at LBA this afternoon and thought a jet2 departed with one winglet and one sharklet G JZBA to Larnaca
Looked several times to see if it was the angle.
If it's the case won't it affect flight characteristics?Or doesn't it matter?
 
The lower section of split scimitars are known for being quite tricky to see from a front/rear angle. I've been confused before, expecting to see split scimitars but only seeing the top bit. I don't think they're allowed to fly with mismatched wingtip devices
Though that would be the case but as you say if it was there was difficult to see even just after take off.
I'm sure it would be noticed on walk around and MEL
 
The lower section of split scimitars are known for being quite tricky to see from a front/rear angle. I've been confused before, expecting to see split scimitars but only seeing the top bit. I don't think they're allowed to fly with mismatched wingtip devices
It is actually possible to fly with asymmetric winglets according to the CDL (configuration deviation list) which relates to the external configuration of the aircraft, as long as the associated fuel penalty is included in the flight plan.
 
Ooohhh. We won't need extra stands for LS then now - they can just grow with bigger aircraft at LBA!!!!! That said this is interesting as whilst I know the 738s will be around for some years yet that is probably definitely now a mixed fleet type as can't see all routes (not just ex LBA) supporting 21N's. Unless there are perhaps some 220s going to appear to replace 733's. Anyone any inside info on this?
 
I saw a video a few weeks ago about Airbus. It seems as though they are short of space to keep both the A220 and the A320 production lines going. One idea was to increase the size of the A220 and cease production of the A320 as both types are begining to over lap for passenger capacity
 
In the past, several times, we have been told that Jet2 did not intend to operate their A321s into LBA because they picked the LEAP engine option which, with power reduced to extend engine life, (which Jet2 do being owners of the aircraft and engines), is not best suited to LBA. Presumably the same would also apply at BRS. We were told this by a member who has contacts who are 'in the know'.

We've also had opposing views, stating that Jet2 will fly their A321NEOs into LBA in due course, a view that seems to also be held by LBA management once the terminal is done. Further growth by Jet2 at LBA is dependent upon this as yet more based aircraft will undoubtedly cause more problems with night movements restrictions. Of course, not only do the A321NEOs have a significant capacity increase, but they are QC 0.25, therefore subject to incentives from LBA and, significantly, are exempt from the night movement restrictions according to LBAs interpretation of the 1994 planning approval.

Personally, I have no clue who is correct, but if this news that the A320NEO order has now been converted to A321NEO is true, and presuming the engine option remains the same, then I sincerely hope that Jet2 do intend to operate their A321s here, otherwise we are going to have a problem further down the line . Yes, many of the 737 800s are relatively new and have years left in them , but we dont know if Jet2 may opt to sell them once their full A321 order is delivered and they may go fully Airbus. In that scenario it's a case of A321 or nothing . That would also threaten some of the thinner routes operated surely?

Whatever, they would appear to need a natural successor to the 300 series if those thinner routes are to continue. The A220 would seem an ideal option but nothing is on order and with every passing year the end of the 300s must surely draw nearer. It would be a relief and provide clarity as to Jet2s intentions if they ordered some aircraft with lower capacity than the A321NEO.
 
In the past, several times, we have been told that Jet2 did not intend to operate their A321s into LBA because they picked the LEAP engine option which, with power reduced to extend engine life, (which Jet2 do being owners of the aircraft and engines), is not best suited to LBA. Presumably the same would also apply at BRS. We were told this by a member who has contacts who are 'in the know'.

We've also had opposing views, stating that Jet2 will fly their A321NEOs into LBA in due course, a view that seems to also be held by LBA management once the terminal is done. Further growth by Jet2 at LBA is dependent upon this as yet more based aircraft will undoubtedly cause more problems with night movements restrictions. Of course, not only do the A321NEOs have a significant capacity increase, but they are QC 0.25, therefore subject to incentives from LBA and, significantly, are exempt from the night movement restrictions according to LBAs interpretation of the 1994 planning approval.

Personally, I have no clue who is correct, but if this news that the A320NEO order has now been converted to A321NEO is true, and presuming the engine option remains the same, then I sincerely hope that Jet2 do intend to operate their A321s here, otherwise we are going to have a problem further down the line . Yes, many of the 737 800s are relatively new and have years left in them , but we dont know if Jet2 may opt to sell them once their full A321 order is delivered and they may go fully Airbus. In that scenario it's a case of A321 or nothing . That would also threaten some of the thinner routes operated surely?

Whatever, they would appear to need a natural successor to the 300 series if those thinner routes are to continue. The A220 would seem an ideal option but nothing is on order and with every passing year the end of the 300s must surely draw nearer. It would be a relief and provide clarity as to Jet2s intentions if they ordered some aircraft with lower capacity than the A321NEO.
I imagine that Airbus would take the 737's off Jet2's hands as an incentive to convert to an all Airbus fleet. As far as A220's go, its Farnborough in a couple of weeks which is often used by manufacturers to announce new orders. A bit tentative, but who knows?
 
I can see Jet2 operating a mixed fleet of the new Airbus A321NEO’s along with the Boeing 737-800’s. As the batch that came direct from the US based manufacture have at least another 20 years service in them.

The Boeing 737-300’s are now mainly deployed on the high frequency services eg. Malaga, Alicante, Palma & Faro. Operating costs wise the isn’t much difference in using a Boeing 737-800 it just gives you more seats. A risk route would be Jersey but it can be done using the SFP fitted aircraft like most of the Greek Islands are done now.
 
Last edited:
In the past, several times, we have been told that Jet2 did not intend to operate their A321s into LBA because they picked the LEAP engine option which, with power reduced to extend engine life, (which Jet2 do being owners of the aircraft and engines), is not best suited to LBA. Presumably the same would also apply at BRS. We were told this by a member who has contacts who are 'in the know'.

We've also had opposing views, stating that Jet2 will fly their A321NEOs into LBA in due course, a view that seems to also be held by LBA management once the terminal is done. Further growth by Jet2 at LBA is dependent upon this as yet more based aircraft will undoubtedly cause more problems with night movements restrictions. Of course, not only do the A321NEOs have a significant capacity increase, but they are QC 0.25, therefore subject to incentives from LBA and, significantly, are exempt from the night movement restrictions according to LBAs interpretation of the 1994 planning approval.

Personally, I have no clue who is correct, but if this news that the A320NEO order has now been converted to A321NEO is true, and presuming the engine option remains the same, then I sincerely hope that Jet2 do intend to operate their A321s here, otherwise we are going to have a problem further down the line . Yes, many of the 737 800s are relatively new and have years left in them , but we dont know if Jet2 may opt to sell them once their full A321 order is delivered and they may go fully Airbus. In that scenario it's a case of A321 or nothing . That would also threaten some of the thinner routes operated surely?

Whatever, they would appear to need a natural successor to the 300 series if those thinner routes are to continue. The A220 would seem an ideal option but nothing is on order and with every passing year the end of the 300s must surely draw nearer. It would be a relief and provide clarity as to Jet2s intentions if they ordered some aircraft with lower capacity than the A321NEO.
There will no doubt be news on the Airbus/LBA thing in the coming months, at least one other forum member is aware 😉 I know people have a vested interest on here in seeing Jet2 continue their upward trajectory at LBA.. The reasons I posted were not false, nor were they conjecture. However it is entirely possible that the business goes against some of its principles of times past in the interests of growth.

Regards future fleet plans, I don’t think there are any long term plans set in stone at the minute for what to do with Boeing/Arbus, although I’m sure it’s being discussed. The current plan is growth growth growth, with an ultimate aim of doubling in size by 2030. What that means exactly remains to be seen, but presumably it’s the number of passengers carried. As the aircraft get bigger, naturally a lot of that growth will come in the form of more seats being available. Would expect some of the bases to go all Airbus and others all Boeing, possibly for numerous reasons such as demand led, but also crewing! Recruitment of flight crew is a hot topic at the minute and the best way to get people to move over is to put the aircraft where they are already based with operators they want to attract pilots from, though that will always take a distant back seat regards planning when commercial considerations come in to play.

Tit bits are occasionally teased in passing, not going to bother posting them but I suspect some more interesting destinations may be in the offing in the medium term. 321XLR do appear to have been ruled out though, after some renders of the new hangar facilities at MAN included them inside, leading to the rumour being shot down pretty swiftly from on high.
 
Leeds based airline Jet2 has exercised rights for 36+ more Airbus A321neos, giving the carrier a total firm commitment to 146+ of the type, It also confirms the conversion of the 35+ A320neo's to the larger variant.

 
Last edited:

Upload Media

Upgrade Your Account

Subscribe to help support your favourite forum and in return we'll remove all our advertisements. Your contribution will help to pay for things like site maintenance, domain name renewals and annual server charges.



Forums4aiports
Subscribe

NEW - Profile Posts

Jon Dempsey wrote on HPsauce's profile.
Hi, I was born and lived in B36 for a long time - Lindale Avenue, just around the corner from Hodge Hill Comp.
I just noticed your postcode on a post.

Do you still live in the area?
survived a redundancy scenario where I work for the 2nd time
If you’re tired of takeoffs, you’re tired of life.
49 trips undertaken last year. First done this year which was to North Wales where surprisingly the only slippery surfaces were in Conwy with the castle and it's walls closed due to the ice.
Aviador wrote on SNOWMAN's profile.
Thanks for the support @SNOWMAN

Trending Hashtags

Advertisement

Back
Top Bottom
  AdBlock Detected
Sure, ad-blocking software does a great job at blocking ads, but it also blocks some useful and important features of our website. For the best possible site experience please take a moment to disable your AdBlocker.