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[752]

Jet2 won’t go into DSA I can’t believe how much discussion on this thread I’ve just had to read about it.

They have categorically said DSA doesn’t have the catchment area / financial area to warrant a base.. they have EMA/LBA covering that.

They have categorically said no more bases for the foreseeable.. and them buying an airport is even more ludicrous, don’t catch falling knives as they say.

The only base I would expect to break the mould of no more bases would be LGW.

Anyway enough of DSA it’s boring, end of September now and no announcement (shock) just because some of the DSA fanatics make up pure lies / speculation does not mean it is gospel.

2026 is a long way off, let’s hope for something new

And finally would Jet2 ever leave their home base which built the company? Nope. It’s ridiculous to even suggest. FR/EZY would be in with a shot, benefiting on all that lucrative ££ that isn’t generated from DSA.

The council and clowns are a joke, I’m sure Steve Heapy knows what he is doing and has the operation of Jet2 and LBA at the foremost of the conversations.

 

[Finger66]

Perfectly put @alpha.alpha

 

[CM.]

Yes the runway at Leeds prevents the A321 that’s jet2 have purchased from operating at optimal performance

Where do you keep hearing this? I can’t see any reason why they can’t operate out of LBA. Plus I’ve heard nothing my end that they can’t do so.


This talk of them going to a reopen DSA will never happen like others have said and for those who are adamant that it will happen will be sitting there waiting for an awfully long time. LBA/EMA/MAN all cover those areas.

With regards to 2026 there’s still plenty of time to announce new things for LBA as it’s nearly 2 years away!

 

[BCFC]

As we all know, year on year more people are travelling by air…MAN are claiming they have gone through the 30M barrier for the first time this year…LBA will be the same this year with record passenger numbers and most of all the airports are the same. TUI will be back there is a breath….due to the number of people who want to travel on all-inclusive package holidays airports will continue to expand…DSA does have a place, no not a 5m a year airport but 1-2m. Jet2 would like a piece of that. More people are flying year on year. Airports takes years to expand…as we well know.

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

Yes the runway at Leeds prevents the A321 that’s jet2 have purchased from operating at optimal performance,

I'm not sure where you keep getting this from but as far as I'm concerned and from what I've been told there is no performance issues regarding using A321's out of LBA. If you are on about how much thrust they will use at take off then it will be the same as the B737-800's in terms of the pilots probably use full thrust available to them more out of LBA then any other base.

It's also not a huge task to "re rate" and engine anyway as it's usually done by the aircraft it's self via the data inputted into the flight management system/computer by the pilot.

Jet2 will just move the fleet around like they normally do through down route swapping to extend engine life etc.

With 146 A321 Neo's on order are they just going to leave LBA without A321 and then once the B737-800s are way past their shelf life bin the LBA base?

 

[pug]

I'm not sure where you keep getting this from but as far as I'm concerned and from what I've been told there is no performance issues regarding using A321's out of LBA. If you are on about how much thrust they will use at take off then it will be the same as the B737-800's in terms of the pilots probably use full thrust available to them more out of LBA then any other base.

It's also not a huge task to "re rate" and engine anyway as it's usually done by the aircraft it's self via the data inputted into the flight management system/computer by the pilot.

Jet2 will just move the fleet around like they normally do through down route swapping to extend engine life etc.

With 146 A321 Neo's on order are they just going to leave LBA without A321 and then once the B737-800s are way past their shelf life bin the LBA base?

I will say no more about where I got my info from but any 321 pilot will tell you what I’ve told you.. That is not to say they won’t start operating A321’s out of LBA but it will result in thrust penalties, it may help them and the airport get around the growing pressure on noise/environmental impact. It is absolutely not the same as the 737-800’s that Jet2 operate. It’s not just a case of pressing the TOGA buttons (or setting TOGA in the case of Airbus) and the aircraft goes to whatever thrust setting it wants, that’s not how jet2 or any modern cost conscious airline operates!

Have you ever used a performance tool on an EFB? It’s not the aircraft that de-rated per-se..

 

[Aviador]

I will say no more about where I got my info from but any 321 pilot will tell you what I’ve told you.. That is not to say they won’t start operating A321’s out of LBA but it will result in thrust penalties, it may help them and the airport get around the growing pressure on noise/environmental impact. It is absolutely not the same as the 737-800’s that Jet2 operate. It’s not just a case of pressing the TOGA buttons and the aircraft goes to whatever thrust setting it wants, that’s not how jet2 or any modern cost conscious airline operates!

Have you ever used a performance tool on an EFB? It’s not the aircraft that de-rated per-se..

So that would mean no 321s into Bristol then if what you're saying is correct.

 

[pug]

So that would mean no 321s into Bristol then if what you're saying is correct.

So that would mean no 321s into Bristol then if what you're saying is correct.

It’s not the runway length that’s the issue, it’s the terrain clearance that’s the problem. So it won’t impact BRS.

 

[oldendays]

A321s notwithstanding, if any existing (or new) Jet2 base would like GDFO they are welcome to it. Plus any number of equally past it, worn out 737-300s. It's almost unfair to LBA base that they have to put up with these old bangers while everywhere else has a relatively new and rather more reliable based fleet. It's the price of hosting a maintenance base, I suppose. At least Manchester is getting to offload the last of the 757s fairly soon. Nice aeroplane but time is up!

 

[pilot_737]

Imagine a telematics policy with your car insurance, then apply that to the A321 engine's.
Then add terrain clearance and short runway into the mix, and that's why the 321 won't be coming to LBA for a while!

That is what Pug is hinting at!

 

[LBAYORKIE]

A321s notwithstanding, if any existing (or new) Jet2 base would like GDFO they are welcome to it. Plus any number of equally past it, worn out 737-300s. It's almost unfair to LBA base that they have to put up with these old bangers while everywhere else has a relatively new and rather more reliable based fleet. It's the price of hosting a maintenance base, I suppose. At least Manchester is getting to offload the last of the 757s fairly soon. Nice aeroplane but time is up!

Well they look new inside and out.

 

[LBA4EVER]

@White Heather Question for the airport if it hasn't already been asked regarding the ongoing belief that Jet2 A321 limitations may prohibit the use of their new aircraft at LBA. Is it possible to put this question to the airport to have this answered once and for all?

I find it hard to believe that an a321neo/xlr or whatever a321 it is would have limitations on our runway, but yes like aviador requested id be interested myself to know, and put this query to bed.

 

[White Heather]

@White Heather Question for the airport if it hasn't already been asked regarding the ongoing belief that Jet2 A321 limitations may prohibit the use of their new aircraft at LBA. Is it possible to put this question to the airport to have this answered once and for all?

It hasn't specifically been asked but it's been made clear previously that LBA management do expect to handle the Jet2 A321s. Worth bearing in mind also that LBA will be incentivising them to use them at LBA as they do with all airlines.

 

[White Heather]

Imagine a telematics policy with your car insurance, then apply that to the A321 engine's.
Then add terrain clearance and short runway into the mix, and that's why the 321 won't be coming to LBA for a while!

That is what Pug is hinting at!

Depressing!

Especially given the A320NEO order has been converted to A321NEO. A Leeds based airline that was founded and grew at LBA buys an entire fleet of aircraft that are apparently unsuitable for it's home base. It's fine for years to come while we have the 738 fleet, but if this is a fact then it's hugely disappointing, especially when there was an alternative engine option that has no problem here assuming the aircraft is actually airworthy and not grounded.

It seems Jet2 may need to tell LBA management because it's obvious they are expecting the A321NEOs at LBA.

 

[pug]

Depressing!

Especially given the A320NEO order has been converted to A321NEO. A Leeds based airline that was founded and grew at LBA buys an entire fleet of aircraft that are apparently unsuitable for it's home base. It's fine for years to come while we have the 738 fleet, but if this is a fact then it's hugely disappointing, especially when there was an alternative engine option that has no problem here assuming the aircraft is actually airworthy and not grounded.

It seems Jet2 may need to tell LBA management because it's obvious they are expecting the A321NEOs at LBA.

I don’t think they’re intending to have an embargo on Airbus at LBA, far from it. I just think the rolling out of it doesn’t mean LBA will be amongst the front runners to get it. Not only for the reasons I’ve alluded and Pilot-737 has quite eloquently explained, but like LBA787 has also said, LBA is a Boeing mainstay for Jet2. It just works for them at the moment.

Whilst LBA is Jet2s natural home (away from home?) they can’t make business decisions based upon one operating base. They’re a huge airline now and the LEAP1A offers the best performance on cost and sustainability. Also touch wood they’ve not had the issues that P&W equipped ones have been suffering with which may have influenced their decisions!

 

[Len Fish]

I seem to remember reading on here that Jet2 own the engines fitted to the A321neos so their operational policy is to maximise their longevity by not stressing them too much and operating them relatively gently. It seems that operating out of LBA would preclude this?

 

[Finger66]

I am not saying this will happen, but in years to come when the 738s have to be retired, who knows what other suitable Airbus aircraft may be available, or whether future engine development allows LBA ops for A21N's. This potential news is though currently disappointing for LBA in the shorter term. The one positive though is that with a phased retirement of B733's over the next 3 years we will at least have all B738s - hopefully just as many based units as now overall. The caveat to that being LBA will eventually run out of space for new stands, so for continued growth, then individual aircraft capacity needs to evolve.

 

[SierraHotel]

The proposed 10 new stands within the next 6 years should address the issue you raise re stand capacity F66.

 

[Finger66]

The proposed 10 new stands within the next 6 years should address the issue you raise re stand capacity F66.

Agree it will help @SierraHotel but what then? And not all those stand are likely to be for Jet2 so something else has to give to avoid stagnation, both for Jet2 and LBA

 

[LBAYORKIE]

I am not saying this will happen, but in years to come when the 738s have to be retired, who knows what other suitable Airbus aircraft may be available, or whether future engine development allows LBA ops for A21N's. This potential news is though currently disappointing for LBA in the shorter term. The one positive though is that with a phased retirement of B733's over the next 3 years we will at least have all B738s - hopefully just as many based units as now overall. The caveat to that being LBA will eventually run out of space for new stands, so for continued growth, then individual aircraft capacity needs to evolve.

Shame the airport with the most issues over noise will be retaining the noisiest aircraft.