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[Finger66]

I think we also need to remember that some of Jet2's 800s are as old (even older) than some of the 300s. That will mean it's not just 300s that need replacing. Now of course that might not mean anything LBA NEO wise but even if it means just more 800s they will be newer ones which in itself is no bad thing.

As an aside perhaps we are asking for too much too soon. After all terminal regen isn't fully completed, additional stands still to be built (Come a long way from just the 6 I remember when I first got to know LBA), but let's face it, the future is clearly bright but I believe just a little more patience is needed (however much I am equally over eager at present) is required.

It is Yorkshire's Premier (and only) airport after all (Leeds East doesn't count for pax traffic and apologies to all you DSA fans out there - NOT!)

 

[Seasider]

I doubt if any DSA fans read this forum.

 

[White Heather]

I doubt if any DSA fans read this forum.

Oh there a one or two!

 

[pug]

I honestly don’t know anything regarding when the NEO is likely to arrive at LBA, I’ve heard so many different years being mentioned that it could be any time in the next five years! The night quotas might push things along if it’s determined that this will be a way around the curfew, but operationally they’re going to roll them out at GLA, EDI and STN first. Fleet changes are tricky, they have to be crewed and the training has to ramp up significantly, which will involve converting crew over from 737 to A321, this takes time. The company will employ their assets as they see fit and prioritise accordingly.

This assumption that the 321 NEO/CEO cannot operate from LBA needs to stop, at no point has anyone said this is the case - — myself included. There are various reasons why LBA may not see the 321 being based imminently, one of which is a reason I outlined previously and this is important because power plants are expensive bits of kit and it may take time to satisfy certain aspects before they put them in. However it’s not the only consideration, and ultimately it’s up to the planners and seniors to decide where best to put them. I’ve heard there may be some strategic surprises along the way, no idea what they’ll be or whether they will have any relevance to LBA.

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

Every time Jet2 put on new flights from MAN it must take some traffic from Leeds.

Or not. MAN is/has/will always be a VOLUME destination/airport.

The same can be said for Ryanair. 20 aircraft by S27. Still 3 at LBA.

Members need to remember the amount of aircraft based by J2 at LBA.

I honestly don’t know anything regarding when the NEO is likely to arrive at LBA, I’ve heard so many different years being mentioned that it could be any time in the next five years! The night quotas might push things along if it’s determined that this will be a way around the curfew, but operationally they’re going to roll them out at GLA, EDI and STN first.

The reason for GLA/EDI is longer sectors, similar fuel to a B738 yet more seats, and local night quotas. STN is to expand seats and due to them not using Titan anymore. No more aircraft just more seats.

EDI is definitely along the lines of night quota and things. So of course if those gets through we’ll see them. S27 isn’t locked in, I think they have “fleet numbers” but where those will be etc etc is / will not be decided until / etc.

A321 into LBA will require longer out planning from a crewing perspective. Training crews. That begins this time next year. And as with GLA/STN this year they’ll be placed into base in winter.

 

[BCFC]

I think we also need to remember that some of Jet2's 800s are as old (even older) than some of the 300s. That will mean it's not just 300s that need replacing. Now of course that might not mean anything LBA NEO wise but even if it means just more 800s they will be newer ones which in itself is no bad thing.

As an aside perhaps we are asking for too much too soon. After all terminal regen isn't fully completed, additional stands still to be built (Come a long way from just the 6 I remember when I first got to know LBA), but let's face it, the future is clearly bright but I believe just a little more patience is needed (however much I am equally over eager at present) is required.

It is Yorkshire's Premier (and only) airport after all (Leeds East doesn't count for pax traffic and apologies to all you DSA fans out there - NOT!)

LBA is the recycling plant of the older ones…..

 

[White Heather]

LBA is the recycling plant of the older ones…..

Sorry but where do you get that from? Yes LBA have the 300s, for now, but we regularly have a fair number of the newer 738s . Aircraft are regularly rotated. Sometimes we get new, sometines older, just like other bases. When MAN had all the oldest aircraft in the Jet2 fleet (757s) did you say MAN was the recycling plant then?

 

[BCFC]

Sorry but where do you get that from? Yes LBA have the 300s, for now, but we regularly have a fair number of the newer 738s . Aircraft are regularly rotated. Sometimes we get new, sometines older, just like other bases. When MAN had all the oldest aircraft in the Jet2 fleet (757s) did you say MAN was the recycling plant then?

All I am saying we seem to get the old ones…yes we get the odd newer ones but on the whole we get the old stock.

 

[pug]

Or not. MAN is/has/will always be a VOLUME destination/airport.

The same can be said for Ryanair. 20 aircraft by S27. Still 3 at LBA.

Members need to remember the amount of aircraft based by J2 at LBA.



The reason for GLA/EDI is longer sectors, similar fuel to a B738 yet more seats, and local night quotas. STN is to expand seats and due to them not using Titan anymore. No more aircraft just more seats.

EDI is definitely along the lines of night quota and things. So of course if those gets through we’ll see them. S27 isn’t locked in, I think they have “fleet numbers” but where those will be etc etc is / will not be decided until / etc.

A321 into LBA will require longer out planning from a crewing perspective. Training crews. That begins this time next year. And as with GLA/STN this year they’ll be placed into base in winter.

Large scale replacement of all based aircraft at EDI and GLA will take time. Some crew are operating out of MAN now, with some GLA based pilots starting type ratings next year. I think this will take a not inconsiderable amount of time. Not sure if they intend on prioritising fully transferring all GLA/EDI based aircraft to pure Airbus but if they are I could guarantee that unless for some as yet unknown (publicly) reason then LBA will be on the latter end of the projected switch over, particularly when they are next gunning for STN and LTN will also be taking the Airbus fully in house before too long.

The GLA based crew have known for a long time that they will be moving across, so far I don’t know any LBA based crew that have been offered the chance to switch and remain based at LBA. That will be the telltale sign I think.

 

[White Heather]

All I am saying we seem to get the old ones…yes we get the odd newer ones but on the whole we get the old stock.

No more than other bases. The aircraft are rotated. The average age of the fleet based at LBA varies from week to week.
Obviously the average age of the A321 bases is getting younger, but the 737s, whether old , new or middle aged turn up at all bases.
A quick count last night showed 5 of the 737 800s landing late last night were the ones delivered new around 2017, so 8 years old. The other 4 were older ones.

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

Large scale replacement of all based aircraft at EDI and GLA will take time. Some crew are operating out of MAN now, with some GLA based pilots starting type ratings next year. I think this will take a not inconsiderable amount of time. Not sure if they intend on prioritising fully transferring all GLA/EDI based aircraft to pure Airbus but if they are I could guarantee that unless for some as yet unknown (publicly) reason then LBA will be on the latter end of the projected switch over, particularly when they are next gunning for STN and LTN will also be taking the Airbus fully in house before too long.

Some but not all. Some EDI crew will move across to support GLA set up - and it's phased anyway. 1 A321 this side of New Years Day and one the other side for summer. This all requires training.

I don't think they'll go fully A321 in either of those bases. Not yet anyway - maybe much much further down the line. Let's remember that the A321 is to replace even the B737-800s. They also have Bristol to contend with where growth is limited due easyJet and therefore the way to grow that base is to base A321N (which funnily enough have similar noise conditions to what LBA are applying for). So I would expect a B738 to be replaced with A321N in the future

As for LTN, I wouldn't go as far gunning for it. Far from it. An additional aircraft next year from 2 to 3 is hardly gunning. LTN doesn't have the terminal capacity, stand capacity or a runway slot availably for the rapid expansion "gunning" for it suggests.

STN - they are replacing 2 Titan A321 with Jet2 A321 so again it's like for like. Further expansion as stated by myself due to STN been as it is a really busy airport. Not by additional aircraft but 43 more seats on the A321N replacing the B738. Again the crews are already in place and in situ at LTN and BHX so assist with that.

The GLA based crew have known for a long time that they will be moving across, so far I don’t know any LBA based crew that have been offered the chance to switch and remain based at LBA. That will be the telltale sign I think.

What constitutes a long time? Summer 26 didn't go on Sale till October 24. With delays from Airbus and uncertainty I don't think the crew knew then at all. I doubt even senior management / fleet planners knew. They had aspirations for sure but would have had to balance the aspirations versus what they also wanted to do with for example STN and the reality of the fleet. The resource. And in November 24 they released LTN as the 13th additional base with 2 Airbus A321 which threw spanners into the works.

By January / February I suspect crews knew and they had a firm fleet plan in place for Summer 26 with that going back into the winter (where they incidentally quietly place A321N into these bases).

It'll be the same this year. And even more complicated with LBA going for the change of night time movement rules which the chance of LCC approving is high (given everything else they've approved). So again it won't be until January / February that crews know the long term plan. As I've stated neither do the Senior managers / fleet planning / route planning teams - though they have aspirations with "this is a definite before this".

Please always bear in mind that some of these new A321N deliveries will be direct replaced of the older knackered B738. Not all is for expansion. I believe STN as the example next year will be 4/5 A321N (briefly looking at the seating maps on the website) - which could well mean that the 2/3 oldest B738 are retired.

S27 is not fully on sale with members of dried fruit forum reporting for some bases there is a slight reduction. For example NCL someone's mentioned the reductions. That could mean A321N into NCL. Again all this is hearsay, I would say they are definitely waiting on a number of things.

What will these airports look like come S27 with expansion?
What will the local regulations at each airport look like which will influence the decision but also the airport will heavily try influence Jet2 (LBA will for sure)?
And more importantly much more importantly. What will the economy be saying after the most unqualified chancellor of anyones time and her crony the traitor Prime minister have destroyed it?

You did mention about the engines as I was going to bring it up. But I'll just say this. Do you think Jet2 are going to base a specific type of higher rated engine into LTN next year for the Skaithos route? And if so then what happens when that goes tech or something happens to it and is out of a few days. I don't think so. They will rotate the A321N fleet around. The engine wear/tear will be calculated and analysed. AS I say will then be rotated around. With even more A321 bases to swap out them out of LBA even more choice of longer runways. They did it with the B75 fleet regularly.

Trust us - some members knew which B75 visited LBA regularly and would shout from the rooftops when for example GLSAB was in MAN not LBA but we got GLSAG.

PS/ Depending how long the LGW shite rumbles on before diggers go into ground will also now play into Jet2s fleet plans. As I have no doubt LGW airport are talking with jet2. Jet2 are talking with LGW.

 

[pug]

@Sherburnflyer92 Im led to believe that the priority is getting EDI and GLA fully A321. I personally know of two crew members who are GLA based currently flying out of MAN and believe there are more, I know a few others slated for TR next year. I know a couple in STN who are also slated for TR. So far I’m not aware of any having been slated at other bases but that may be because I don’t know them admittedly.

Regards Skiathos, that misses the point. However without wanting to go round in circles it is only one of the factors determining where they are going to put the Airbus. You are correct that the planners don’t know exactly what they’re going to do yet, but training is doubled over at the moment, ask any TRI! LTN will be switched to a full 321 base without the W patterns. I think we’ll see some bases all Boeing and some all Airbus before they start replacing the Boeings. Like I said before, the new LBA noise limits might sway things, who knows.

 

[michael]

I hope no-one is under the illusion that just because J2 is the only company and LBA in particular is the only base for passenger B733's in the UK that J2 is the only firm to operate 'old' aircraft. There are a lot of 27/28 year old plus aircraft flying around - I spent half an hour or so watching 'Big Jet TV ' yesterday - United had a 32 year old B767 departing LHR for somewhere in the USA. BA still have a reasonable number of their original B777's doing 8/9 hour sectors that are significantly over 25 years old. Air Canada have a 26 yr old A330 arrived at LHR in the last few minutes, and according to FR24 on the ground at this moment at LHR there are several 25 yr old machines from Delta, American, United and BA.
So, much like these long haul companies gradually replacing their old birds with A339's, A350's, Dreamliners, and B779's eventually, J2 will also replace the 733's and older 738's with the A321neos. It won't happen overnight, but neither do I think the 733's will get to the 34/35 year old mark that the 757's did do.
At least our old 733's are only doing 2 to 3 hour sectors, you could be sat on a 27 yr old B777 doing 10 hour flight to Austin, Texas!

 

[LBAYORKIE]

I hope no-one is under the illusion that just because J2 is the only company and LBA in particular is the only base for passenger B733's in the UK that J2 is the only firm to operate 'old' aircraft. There are a lot of 27/28 year old plus aircraft flying around - I spent half an hour or so watching 'Big Jet TV ' yesterday - United had a 32 year old B767 departing LHR for somewhere in the USA. BA still have a reasonable number of their original B777's doing 8/9 hour sectors that are significantly over 25 years old. Air Canada have a 26 yr old A330 arrived at LHR in the last few minutes, and according to FR24 on the ground at this moment at LHR there are several 25 yr old machines from Delta, American, United and BA.
So, much like these long haul companies gradually replacing their old birds with A339's, A350's, Dreamliners, and B779's eventually, J2 will also replace the 733's and older 738's with the A321neos. It won't happen overnight, but neither do I think the 733's will get to the 34/35 year old mark that the 757's did do.
At least our old 733's are only doing 2 to 3 hour sectors, you could be sat on a 27 yr old B777 doing 10 hour flight to Austin, Texas!

That goes to show theres nothing wrong with older aircraft as long as they are well maintained. I have no objection whatsoever to flying on older aircraft, 737/300's included.

 

[dmrodgers]

That goes to show theres nothing wrong with older aircraft as long as they are well maintained. I have no objection whatsoever to flying on older aircraft, 737/300's included.

Most passengers wouldn't have any idea how old the aircraft is providing the interior is maintained to a high standard. I've just returned in the past month into LBA from a week in Jersey on Jet2's 737-300 and unless you looked at flightradar you'd have no idea of the age of the aircraft. Outward on FK and retiring on FD both aircraft outwardly in inside looked to the average passenger no more than a few years old, complimentary to the high standards of maintenance by Jet2 and its staff.

 

[Finger66]

FD is an 800 so guessing you mean FO. If indeed the latter that is good to hear as it is the one most prone to going tech

 

[dmrodgers]

FD is an 800 so guessing you mean FO. If indeed the latter that is good to hear as it is the one most prone to going tech

Thanks for that Finger 66, my mistake, just rechecked my photo's of the aircraft on the return flight, should be FG.

 

[Finger66]

Thanks for the update @dmrodgers Still good to hear that the 300s are looked after internally

 

[mullion]

Most of the presidential 747/757 in US are getting on a bit

 

[White Heather]

Thanks for that Finger 66, my mistake, just rechecked my photo's of the aircraft on the return flight, should be FG.

FG is actually the oldest aircraft in the fleet. Not that you would know it.