Leeds Bradford Airport’s Expansion Plans Under Public Inquiry

[LBAYORKIE]

ITV Calander news reporting The results of a public inquiry are due to be published at the end of this month.

Any of you going to the public meeting in Horsforth tomorrow evening could confirm with the CEO.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

We still havent heard the outcome of the final Cleud. I assume if we dont hear by the end of the month it will be September before theres any announcement.

 

[Len Fish]

I’m no conspiracy theorist but the delay does make me wonder what’s going on.

 

[SierraHotel]

Presumably a consultation will be needed to ascertain whether a further consultation will be needed before any findings can be published. Expect a decision before the end of the decade.

 

[Aviador]

Some political meddling perhaps?

I just asked Google how long this process takes and it says "weeks or months" to get an outcome. Not satisfied with the answer I asked if there was a legal time frame and it says "there is no limit on how long the process can take" So with an indefinite time frame there lies the answer.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

Some political meddling perhaps?

I just asked Google how long this process takes and it says "weeks or months" to get an outcome. Not satisfied with the answer I asked if there was a legal time frame and it says "there is no limit on how long the process can take" So with an indefinite time frame there lies the answer.

Maybe if it gone in favour of the airport the council dont want to annouce it until the end of this month. At least that way people will have time to get used to it before the council return from their hols in September.

 

[White Heather]

Look on the bright side. As long as we are awaiting the outcome, LBA is operating as normal. 'Normal' being in accordance with their interpretation rather than the Councils 1994 version.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

Look on the bright side. As long as we are awaiting the outcome, LBA is operating as normal. 'Normal' being in accordance with their interpretation rather than the Councils 1994 version.

Yes, but if the ruling goes against them LBA will still continue operating with their interpretation pending an appeal/submission of a revised planning application. So in a way the timing of the announcement may not be relevant.

 

[lbaspotter]

Just seen this posted on Facebook. It looks like it’s all information we already knew, but they are expecting the planning Inspectors decision to made available within next few days regards application 3 Which is the important one.

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Leeds Bradford Airport.
Currently the Airport has a planning quota which governs the maximum number of flights permitted during the night time period. They have been exceeding this quota and applied to the Planning Inspectorate to, in effect, exempt a number of aircraft from the quota count.
We have just received this information relating to the Inspectors decision. There are no details as yet but they should be available in the next few days.

Planning Appeals

Application 2 - Confirmation of immunity against enforcement of conditions 6(a), 6(b) and 6(c) of the permission in respect of the prohibition of night time movements of aircraft with quota count of 0.25 based on ten years of continuous breach - Leeds And Bradford Airport Victoria Avenue Yeadon Leeds LS19 7TU

Ref. No: 104996 | Received date: Tue 22 Oct 2024 | Status: Appeal Dismissed | Case Type: Planning Appeal

Application 3 - Regardless of the cap on movements in condition 7, it is lawful for aircraft to take off and land at Leeds Bradford Airport during the hours of 2300-0700 where they fall within the definition of 'exempt aircraft' in NOTAM s45/1993 i.e (a) those aircraft with a maximum certified weight not exceeding 11,600 kg and (b) those propeller aircraft which on the basis of their noise data are classed as less than 87 EPNdB and which are indicated as exempt in part 2 of the schedule of NOTAM S45/1993 notice - Leeds And Bradford Airport Victoria Avenue Yeadon Leeds LS19 7TU

Ref. No: 104997 | Received date: Tue 22 Oct 2024 | Status: Appeal Allowed | Case Type: Planning Appeal

Application 4 - It is lawful for any aircraft, regardless of quota count and regardless of the cap on movements in condition 7 to land at the airport in the following circumstances: (a) delayed landings up to 0100 hours by aircraft scheduled to land at Leeds Bradford Airport between 0700 hours and 23 hours; and (b) any emergency flights, i.e a flight where there is an immediate danger to life or health, whether human or animal are permitted - Leeds And Bradford Airport Victoria Avenue Yeadon Leeds LS19 7TU

Ref. No: 104998 | Received date: Tue 22 Oct 2024 | Status: Appeal Dismissed | Case Type: Planning Appeal

 

[dmrodgers]

Perhaps waiting to see if DSA get their £115m to reopen the airport in September and then knowing our council will bow down to these we shall not mention the council will reject the final Clued saying night flying is not needed as everyone can go down the A1 to an airport which welcomes flights.

 

[SierraHotel]

Am I right in thinking that there are now no longer night restrictions on the quieter aircraft such as the Neos and Max's?

 

[White Heather]

Perhaps waiting to see if DSA get their £115m to reopen the airport in September and then knowing our council will bow down to these we shall not mention the council will reject the final Clued saying night flying is not needed as everyone can go down the A1 to an airport which welcomes flights.

It's nothing to do with the Council. This is an appeal by LBA against the Councils decision and so out of their hands. The inspector is making these decisions. Looks like the airport will need to go to the high court

 

[LBAYORKIE]

It's nothing to do with the Council. This is an appeal by LBA against the Councils decision and so out of their hands. The inspector is making these decisions. Looks like the airport will need to go to the high court

Or simply submit an application to the council to vary the restrictions. Then we will really find out who's side the airport are on.

 

[White Heather]

Am I right in thinking that there are now no longer night restrictions on the quieter aircraft such as the Neos and Max's?

No idea. The ruling refers to aircraft of less than 11600 kg and prop aircraft emitting less than 87EPNdB. It says nothing about quiet jet aircraft nor the updated version the NOTAMs which should, in theory, now apply.

Or simply submit a new planning application.

Except that opens the door for LCC to add various Section 106 requirements and the possibility of a passenger cap. LBA have said that's a last resort .

 

[LBAYORKIE]

No idea. The ruling refers to aircraft of less than 11600 kg and prop aircraft emitting less than 87EPNdB. It says nothing about quiet jet aircraft nor the updated version the NOTAMs which should, in theory, now apply.


Except that opens the door for LCC to add various Section 106 requirements and the possibility of a passenger cap. LBA have said that's a last resort .

Have they said that since the latest government made their stance on airport development clear?

Just seen this posted on Facebook. It looks like it’s all information we already knew, but they are expecting the planning Inspectors decision to made available within next few days regards application 3 Which is the important one.

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Is 3 the important one? It seems only to be relevant to small aircraft. 4 seems to be the critical one to me.

 

[White Heather]

Have they said that since the latest government made their stance on airport development clear?


Is 3 the important one? It seems only to be relevant to small aircraft. 4 seems to be the critical one to me.

6 months ago. Besides, I would not trust that the anti LBA members on the planning committee, would care a jot for whatever the government says , nor would I ever trust this government to ever do anything positive for our airport.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

6 months ago. Besides, I would not trust that the anti LBA members on the planning committee, would care a jot for whatever the government says , nor would I ever trust this government to ever do anything positive for our airport.

Do you agree that 3 isnt the critical one?

 

[White Heather]

Where is Application 1?

Have they said that since the latest government made their stance on airport development clear?


Is 3 the important one? It seems only to be relevant to small aircraft. 4 seems to be the critical one to me.

I would say Application 2 is critical as that's the one that exempts QC0.25 aircraft which is the MAX and NEO due to continuous breach and the council taking no enforcement action.

Frankly I am staggered that two of the three have been dismissed having seen the evidence submitted. I cannot imagine for one minute that LBA management will be happy, although I am puzzled why we have an Application 2,3 and 4, but no Application 1. I know the airport rolled two applications into 1, but you'd expect them to be Applications 1 to 3.

I imagine thst now, any delayed flight landing after 2300 will count against the quota, making planning night movements a nightmare.

Regarding the maximum certified weight of aircraft, does this refer to unladen or fully loaded? A 737 MAX empty is within the limit, but obviously isn't when loaded.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

Where is Application 1?


I would say Application 2 is critical as that's the one that exempts QC0.25 aircraft which is the MAX and NEO due to continuous breach and the council taking no enforcement action.

Frankly I am staggered that two of the three have been dismissed having seen the evidence submitted. I cannot imagine for one minute that LBA management will be happy, although I am puzzled why we have an Application 2,3 and 4, but no Application 1. I know the airport rolled two applications into 1, but you'd expect them to be Applications 1 to 3.

I imagine thst now, any delayed flight landing after 2300 will count against the quota, making planning night movements a nightmare.

Regarding the maximum certified weight of aircraft, does this refer to unladen or fully loaded? A 737 MAX empty is within the limit, but obviously isn't when loaded.

I assume it will be business as usual until any appeal to a higher authority is finalised.

This is a major blow however as an independent body/person has ruled on this and clearly signals that the airport is the one 'out of step' and not LCC and local objectors.

I suppose this could dissuade airlines from increasing their offerings or deciding to open new bases until the uncertainty ends.

Where is Application 1?


I would say Application 2 is critical as that's the one that exempts QC0.25 aircraft which is the MAX and NEO due to continuous breach and the council taking no enforcement action.

Frankly I am staggered that two of the three have been dismissed having seen the evidence submitted. I cannot imagine for one minute that LBA management will be happy, although I am puzzled why we have an Application 2,3 and 4, but no Application 1. I know the airport rolled two applications into 1, but you'd expect them to be Applications 1 to 3.

I imagine thst now, any delayed flight landing after 2300 will count against the quota, making planning night movements a nightmare.

Regarding the maximum certified weight of aircraft, does this refer to unladen or fully loaded? A 737 MAX empty is within the limit, but obviously isn't when loaded.

I think a 737 is well over 11,000 kg empty.

Where is Application 1?


I would say Application 2 is critical as that's the one that exempts QC0.25 aircraft which is the MAX and NEO due to continuous breach and the council taking no enforcement action.

Frankly I am staggered that two of the three have been dismissed having seen the evidence submitted. I cannot imagine for one minute that LBA management will be happy, although I am puzzled why we have an Application 2,3 and 4, but no Application 1. I know the airport rolled two applications into 1, but you'd expect them to be Applications 1 to 3.

I imagine thst now, any delayed flight landing after 2300 will count against the quota, making planning night movements a nightmare.

Regarding the maximum certified weight of aircraft, does this refer to unladen or fully loaded? A 737 MAX empty is within the limit, but obviously isn't when loaded.

I think a 737 is well over 11,000 kg empty.

 

[White Heather]

I assume it will be business as usual until any appeal to a higher authority is finalised.

This is a major blow however as an independent body/person has ruled on this and clearly signals that the airport is the one 'out of step' and not LCC and local objectors.

I suppose this could dissuade airlines from increasing their offerings or deciding to open new bases until the uncertainty ends.


I think a 737 is well over 11,000 kg empty.


I think a 737 is well over 11,000 kg empty.

I've checked and Maximum Certified Weight means Maximum Take Off weight. So only light jets and prop aircraft are exempt.

According to t'internet a 737 MAX weight 10886kg empty.