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Regarding the temporary check in hall B, I did find a previous application to improve the visual appearance of the structure. Nothing ever commenced so maybe they will look at doing that at the same time.
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Sherburnflyer92
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I think that could also be contributing to the queue's on the morning. Like I say, I would imagine most of the customers using twilight will be turning up to the airport bang on 3am. So when security open they are opening to a long queue already.
I'm not slating the service I think it's a very innovative way of utilising staff during off peak periods (especially in the winter months) whilst also offering something different to what is offered by other airlines. Similar to the resort flight check in. I just think, at LBA, it does contribute to queues in the morning.
As white heather has suggested that will improve I have no doubt as they open to 3 lanes and 4 lanes on a busy Saturday morning.
Sherburnflyer92
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That is a good layout. I wonder if the airport will have a serious re think about the design and flow on the ramp too with the vehicles.
Moving all check in to one part of the terminal will require significant investment in terms of check in belts etc. Would it require two separate halls to separate the bags from jet2 passengers and any other airlines passengers (Ryanair, KLM, Are Lingus etc)?
Has anyone got the old plans? I'd like to see them again.
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In a fairly recent meeting with the airport, the CEO reported that check in hall B was more than capable of handling all the airports flights, in fact more so now after recent investment in the baggage delivery make up area.
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@Sherburnflyer92 all the visual renders of the current terminal plans are still within the Construction & Development thread and also in the Media part of the site.
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LBA4EVER
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now that we are not getting our lovely shiny eco friendly terminal would it not make sense under the new plans to simply straighten out the entire current 1960s not fit for purpose terminal to try give us a building that looks abit more modern. by doing that it would give the terminal vast amounts of extra space and visually from the non air side get rid of the curve and create a full length straight building? seriously if the current terminal stays the same shape and we have the planned extension added on it will make no difference whatsoever esp when pax figures go up. the terminal will always look dated and the stigma LBA has wont go away. so i say go full rectangular shape and get rid of the curve. common sense !
I don’t get why Cllr Walshsaw goes to these consultative meetings all he does is moan and have negative points to make. I understand there’s always going to be concerns regarding noise etc but he’s against the airport fully.
Good to hear though that all 4 lanes will be open. Wonder if the low IQ media will publish the positive articles on that or keep stuping to their usual negativity.
Good to hear though that all 4 lanes will be open. Wonder if the low IQ media will publish the positive articles on that or keep stuping to their usual negativity.
That would need the approval of a planning application!!!
When the application for the extension to the terminal was approved a S106 agreement was signed cancelling the existing permission for the ‘infill’ to the curve of the landslide of the terminal.
White Heather
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Sadly, it can't be done. Even if the infill was done on the Northern side, (and that wont ever happen as planning approval has been rescinded) you cannot straighten the Southern aspect unless you built right out over the apron, losing stands and a taxiway. It would still not resolve many of the in-built restrictions within the old building and would probably cost as much as knocking it down and starting again. Plus, as stated above, any alterations to the exterior would require a full planning application and the entire ridiculous process would start again .
LBAYORKIE
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More to the point why does he ask questions he ought reasonbably to know the answer to?
LBA4EVER
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Always puzzles me how the media and the people of Lancashire think so positively about their airport and support growth yet here its just a never ending battle for the airport, a vicious circle of a specific breed of the public brainwashed by galba and the like, self interest councillors and media who's number 1 job seems to constantly be talking negative about LBA, pathetic!
Sherburnflyer92
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If it’s who I’ve just googled, he’s an out right tosser tbh. Likes the sound of his own voice, 0 intelligence, contradicts his own points. If you left him alone, maybe on the odd occasion threw curve balls at him, he would end up debating himself and getting himself tangled.
During the 2021 council approval meeting that was online, he just would not shut up. Honestly he’s not Labour. He’s a green extremist.
SierraHotel
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Is negativity perhaps an inherent Yorkshire trait?
I’ve looked into his social media bios and confirms he’s a climate fanatic
Sadly that’s the world we live in. Full of idiots
He’s not very bright hence why. But I guess it’s what you get from the Headingley lot.
White Heather
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Report on today's LBA Consultative Committee Meeting.
Briefly:.
Terminal Development
No terminal update was on the agenda but I have confirmation that it does include the full refurbishment of the existing terminal too. As a result the design process is extended and sign off expected early 2023. I would assume therefore construction would commence late 2023 in two phases.
Passenger numbers/Business Update
The financial year passenger numbers to 31 August are 1.9 million.
This is 87% of pre Covid .
August figure is 436,000
The last week in August was over 100,000, if which 60% were Jet2, 30% Ryanair.
Average load factor in August was 84%. This figure is lower due to the poor load factors on LHR plus lower than normal load factors on domestic flights (IE Belfast). (My view - Not helped by too many flights!!!).
Capacity and load issues also on Spanish routes due to the continuing Covid restrictions plus restricted availability of accommodation.
Otherwise Jet2 are pretty much where they were pre Covid.
Market changed due to Covid impact plus cost of living crisis with bookings now being made later. The winter season pax numbers is an unknown. No flights cancelled yet. Full programme still on sale.
Focus for next year is in growth. It was stated that there will be more flights in Summer 23.
KLM load factors high due to reduced flight schedule, resulting from restrictions at AMS and problems maintaining aircraft on schedule. Aircraft availability therefore impacted.
Flybe to LHR axed due to poor loads and the fact that Flybe have not made progress with interlining, which they acknowledge is essential to make it work, whilst reduction to one flight daily has reduced point to point demand too. Flybe didn't even publicise the route - doomed from day one. The demand remains for a regular service with a night stopper and interlining and LBA will continue to look for opportunities to reinstate the route.
Vincent Hodder update
Staffing levels are now high and the airport has agreed a four year pay deal from October with the unions and staff. All parties said to be happy and staff will move towards wages exceeding the industry average. There will be no zero hours or seasonal contracts. Staff will be retained over the winter and the airport will use the opportunity to provide regular training on a variety of subjects, for staff and management. Training will be an ongoing process to drive up standards and customer experience. Only minimal recruitment will be needed in early 2023 to cover any staff who might have left.
Since mid July, over 90% of pax clear security within 20 minutes. The summer average is 84% within 20 minutes. There are occasional issues but these are fully investigated and actions taken to prevent reoccurrence.
VH determined to ensure staff are highly trained, valued, and contribute to an excellent (rather than just acceptable) level of customer experience.
Swissport have remained a problem at LBA and other airports. The LBA manager has been relocated with a new, more effective manager in place. This resulted in far fewer issues within the terminal, but on the apron, issues continue. LBA are in contact with Swissport seeking improvement and meanwhile, are utilising LBA staff to cover for absent Swissport staff with such as baggage. They cannot do much of the Swissport work however for a variety of reasons.
NOTE:
In response to my direct question, VH confirmed that it is the airlines that have a contract with Swissport, NOT LBA or other airports. It is the responsibility of Ryanair, KLM etc. to manage the contract and bring about improvements. However VH does pursue Swissport at a national level seeking improvements as he recognises that the passengers will blame LBA. ( And so do some airline crews apparently!).
VH confirmed LBA have long term contracts with all its major airline partners. He also confirmed all airlines operating at LBA and some who are not here (yet) have expressed a desire to expand their capacity.
At least one Jet2 737 300 will be replaced next summer by a 737 800.
Confirmed that the first Jet2 A321NEOs won't be LBA based but they are coming as they have more delivered.
Our favourite Councillor from Leeds City Council once again queried night flights and the numbers compared to the night quota. VH confirmed well below quota this year. Numbers will increase next summer back to pre pandemic levels but still within the quota, which does not include delayed flights from earlier than 2300hrs, nor the new aircraft types such as the A320/1NEO or 737 MAX.
Said Councillor confirmed he has twice flown from LBA this year, and he was remarkably amiable and quiet once he has asked his question.
This winter will see a lot of runway works overnight with more night closures as a result.
Regarding DSA - saddened as VH knows the management team well. The fact is, not enough people choose to fly from there to make it viable. In response to a direct question (not mine) as to whether or not LBA might benefit should DSA close, he was clearly reluctant but did say 'potentially'.
The LBA Parkway Station remains at detailed design stage with changes to access plans needed due to the cancellation of the new terminal. Meetings continue including LBA and the target opening date remains 2026.
Airspace Change.
This is funded by the Dept of Transport and still being worked on. The LBA proposals must integrate with those of other airports. Various options under consideration. The general idea is to improve safety, efficiency, reduce noise and CO2. Getting aircraft higher quicker is a target, with constant glide-slopes for arrivals, with no levelling off at various points as now. Routings may change - some areas not currently overflown now might be in future, whilst conversely, some currently overflown might not be. Local to LBA however there will be no discernible change. Changes to the NPRs are an option that could potentially be considered. Whatever changes are introduced, they will not be to benefit airlines - they must meet the Government criteria.
Carbon Strategy.
LBA committed to net zero by 2030.
54% reduction in CO2 since 2019.
Gas use accounts for 26% of emissions. The new terminal extension will be entirely electric with no gas heating. The existing terminal will be switched to am alternative heating type during refurbishment and the two gas boilers removed.
Vehicles account for 13% of emissions. As vehicles are replaced they will be changed to electric. This includes car park coaches. Fire vehicles and runway maintenance vehicles, most of which are new, may take longer as they will last many years.
LBA achieved Level 2 of the Airport Carbon Accreditation scheme and they are now working on level 3 (of 4).
LBA has worked with the University of Warwick on a case study looking into the impact of using electric aircraft on domestic services. The report showed a 20 fold increase in demand on the grid and significantly longer turn round times for aircraft. Clearly major obstacles.
Finally, following previous discussions on here about the ownership of LBA, I confirmed the following.
LBA is wholly owned by Global Enterprises (or something similar) that is in turn still owned by AMP Capital. The recent sale by AMP to a US investment company called Digital Solutions (or similar, definitely Digital something) was for the management of Global, not the company itself.
So, AMP own Global. Global own LBA. The management of Global remain unchanged personnel wise, but the 'ownership' of the management is now under Digital, a US investment company.
In the end I wished I hadn't asked, but ultimately, it makes zero difference to LBA, it's running or it's funding.
Briefly:.
Terminal Development
No terminal update was on the agenda but I have confirmation that it does include the full refurbishment of the existing terminal too. As a result the design process is extended and sign off expected early 2023. I would assume therefore construction would commence late 2023 in two phases.
Passenger numbers/Business Update
The financial year passenger numbers to 31 August are 1.9 million.
This is 87% of pre Covid .
August figure is 436,000
The last week in August was over 100,000, if which 60% were Jet2, 30% Ryanair.
Average load factor in August was 84%. This figure is lower due to the poor load factors on LHR plus lower than normal load factors on domestic flights (IE Belfast). (My view - Not helped by too many flights!!!).
Capacity and load issues also on Spanish routes due to the continuing Covid restrictions plus restricted availability of accommodation.
Otherwise Jet2 are pretty much where they were pre Covid.
Market changed due to Covid impact plus cost of living crisis with bookings now being made later. The winter season pax numbers is an unknown. No flights cancelled yet. Full programme still on sale.
Focus for next year is in growth. It was stated that there will be more flights in Summer 23.
KLM load factors high due to reduced flight schedule, resulting from restrictions at AMS and problems maintaining aircraft on schedule. Aircraft availability therefore impacted.
Flybe to LHR axed due to poor loads and the fact that Flybe have not made progress with interlining, which they acknowledge is essential to make it work, whilst reduction to one flight daily has reduced point to point demand too. Flybe didn't even publicise the route - doomed from day one. The demand remains for a regular service with a night stopper and interlining and LBA will continue to look for opportunities to reinstate the route.
Vincent Hodder update
Staffing levels are now high and the airport has agreed a four year pay deal from October with the unions and staff. All parties said to be happy and staff will move towards wages exceeding the industry average. There will be no zero hours or seasonal contracts. Staff will be retained over the winter and the airport will use the opportunity to provide regular training on a variety of subjects, for staff and management. Training will be an ongoing process to drive up standards and customer experience. Only minimal recruitment will be needed in early 2023 to cover any staff who might have left.
Since mid July, over 90% of pax clear security within 20 minutes. The summer average is 84% within 20 minutes. There are occasional issues but these are fully investigated and actions taken to prevent reoccurrence.
VH determined to ensure staff are highly trained, valued, and contribute to an excellent (rather than just acceptable) level of customer experience.
Swissport have remained a problem at LBA and other airports. The LBA manager has been relocated with a new, more effective manager in place. This resulted in far fewer issues within the terminal, but on the apron, issues continue. LBA are in contact with Swissport seeking improvement and meanwhile, are utilising LBA staff to cover for absent Swissport staff with such as baggage. They cannot do much of the Swissport work however for a variety of reasons.
NOTE:
In response to my direct question, VH confirmed that it is the airlines that have a contract with Swissport, NOT LBA or other airports. It is the responsibility of Ryanair, KLM etc. to manage the contract and bring about improvements. However VH does pursue Swissport at a national level seeking improvements as he recognises that the passengers will blame LBA. ( And so do some airline crews apparently!).
VH confirmed LBA have long term contracts with all its major airline partners. He also confirmed all airlines operating at LBA and some who are not here (yet) have expressed a desire to expand their capacity.
At least one Jet2 737 300 will be replaced next summer by a 737 800.
Confirmed that the first Jet2 A321NEOs won't be LBA based but they are coming as they have more delivered.
Our favourite Councillor from Leeds City Council once again queried night flights and the numbers compared to the night quota. VH confirmed well below quota this year. Numbers will increase next summer back to pre pandemic levels but still within the quota, which does not include delayed flights from earlier than 2300hrs, nor the new aircraft types such as the A320/1NEO or 737 MAX.
Said Councillor confirmed he has twice flown from LBA this year, and he was remarkably amiable and quiet once he has asked his question.
This winter will see a lot of runway works overnight with more night closures as a result.
Regarding DSA - saddened as VH knows the management team well. The fact is, not enough people choose to fly from there to make it viable. In response to a direct question (not mine) as to whether or not LBA might benefit should DSA close, he was clearly reluctant but did say 'potentially'.
The LBA Parkway Station remains at detailed design stage with changes to access plans needed due to the cancellation of the new terminal. Meetings continue including LBA and the target opening date remains 2026.
Airspace Change.
This is funded by the Dept of Transport and still being worked on. The LBA proposals must integrate with those of other airports. Various options under consideration. The general idea is to improve safety, efficiency, reduce noise and CO2. Getting aircraft higher quicker is a target, with constant glide-slopes for arrivals, with no levelling off at various points as now. Routings may change - some areas not currently overflown now might be in future, whilst conversely, some currently overflown might not be. Local to LBA however there will be no discernible change. Changes to the NPRs are an option that could potentially be considered. Whatever changes are introduced, they will not be to benefit airlines - they must meet the Government criteria.
Carbon Strategy.
LBA committed to net zero by 2030.
54% reduction in CO2 since 2019.
Gas use accounts for 26% of emissions. The new terminal extension will be entirely electric with no gas heating. The existing terminal will be switched to am alternative heating type during refurbishment and the two gas boilers removed.
Vehicles account for 13% of emissions. As vehicles are replaced they will be changed to electric. This includes car park coaches. Fire vehicles and runway maintenance vehicles, most of which are new, may take longer as they will last many years.
LBA achieved Level 2 of the Airport Carbon Accreditation scheme and they are now working on level 3 (of 4).
LBA has worked with the University of Warwick on a case study looking into the impact of using electric aircraft on domestic services. The report showed a 20 fold increase in demand on the grid and significantly longer turn round times for aircraft. Clearly major obstacles.
Finally, following previous discussions on here about the ownership of LBA, I confirmed the following.
LBA is wholly owned by Global Enterprises (or something similar) that is in turn still owned by AMP Capital. The recent sale by AMP to a US investment company called Digital Solutions (or similar, definitely Digital something) was for the management of Global, not the company itself.
So, AMP own Global. Global own LBA. The management of Global remain unchanged personnel wise, but the 'ownership' of the management is now under Digital, a US investment company.
In the end I wished I hadn't asked, but ultimately, it makes zero difference to LBA, it's running or it's funding.
SierraHotel
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Thanks as ever WH. Much appreciated
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