Airport Consultative Committee [Questions & Responses]

[Bigman]

Wasn't it Ryanair that said any publicity is good publicity. If so they have cracked it and we are all talking about it. All we need now is a new start up Yorkshire Airlines.

 

[752]

I was thinking about the 2 extra stands being built this winter. 1. Where are these going to be located? & 2. Since we are full every night and seeing what's happening this Summer with tech aircraft, night closure, AC diverting, giving the unpredictability of the whole aviation industry, wouldn't it be a better idea to build more then 2 if possible this winter? giving airlines and the airport more room in case of uncertainty / if aircraft need to do unplanned night stops? LBA offering flexibility to help out airlines if a nearby airport has problems.

 

[The Pole]

I was thinking about the 2 extra stands being built this winter. 1. Where are these going to be located? & 2. Since we are full every night and seeing what's happening this Summer with tech aircraft, night closure, AC diverting, giving the unpredictability of the whole aviation industry, wouldn't it be a better idea to build more then 2 if possible this winter? giving airlines and the airport more room in case of uncertainty / if aircraft need to do unplanned night stops? LBA offering flexibility to help out airlines if a nearby airport has problems.

Surely if needed they could use the pan or multi flight apron?

 

[Aviador]

Surely if needed they could use the pan or multi flight apron?

Not necessarily as it will depend on the service agreement in place. It is always the airline that moves an aircraft to stand from a remote location so moving an aircraft would come at a cost.

 

[SierraHotel]

I do agree that 2 new stands does appear somewhat conservative. Using the pan would be far from ideal and to my knowledge,is partially occupied with snow clearance equipment.

 

[HX3]

Personally I don’t find ey up offensive. I deal with international and national colleagues every day and they always warm to me and two Yorkshire colleagues, they say they like our accent and flat vowels. We quite often say ey up to each other, and colleagues in Spain, Poland, Germany say it to us now. Just as we use Czesc, tuss, or buenos back to them as hello and good bye. I think we overlook how often people like Yorkshire and our unique identity, I think the airport are trying to use that to make us different, and proudly so.

 

[tonysmith]

Ey up sitha totally agree

 

[White Heather]

Personally I don’t find ey up offensive. I deal with international and national colleagues every day and they always warm to me and two Yorkshire colleagues, they say they like our accent and flat vowels. We quite often say ey up to each other, and colleagues in Spain, Poland, Germany say it to us now. Just as we use Czesc, tuss, or buenos back to them as hello and good bye. I think we overlook how often people like Yorkshire aked
and our unique identity, I think the airport are trying to use that to make us different, and proudly so.

If they'd renamed the airport Leeds Bradford Ey Up Airport, then I'd be less than happy. But having adverts on line, on buses, and hoardings, which are professionally done, and much needed, which start off with Ey Up World, don't bother me in the slightest. As far as I'm concerned, it's not a big deal. If it gets people looking, then so be it.

Despite the clearly negative vibes surrounding the Ey Up World campaign, I'll leave this link here so you can see who invented it. It's not the usual people and not those involved in the TV programme.

Ey Up World - Leeds Bradford Airport launches first major campaign - Prolific North

Leeds Bradford Airport has released its first ever above the line campaign, in partnership with Ponderosa.

www.prolificnorth.co.uk

Once the terminal extension is completed I can’t wait for the new Ecky Thump Bar to open.

That would be at MAN. It's more a Lancashire term. A common part of the script on Coronation Street in the 60s.

 

[EX9]

I was thinking about the 2 extra stands being built this winter. 1. Where are these going to be located? & 2. Since we are full every night and seeing what's happening this Summer with tech aircraft, night closure, AC diverting, giving the unpredictability of the whole aviation industry, wouldn't it be a better idea to build more then 2 if possible this winter? giving airlines and the airport more room in case of uncertainty / if aircraft need to do unplanned night stops? LBA offering flexibility to help out airlines if a nearby airport has problems.

The first two are likely to be adjacent stand 21 in the grass between the delta taxiway.

Surely if needed they could use the pan or multi flight apron?

The pan is not maintained and insured for manoeuvring large aircraft any more. Multiflights eastern ramp is often very busy with private traffic and the southside areas are not within the same security critical part. This brings about different rules in terms of screening that add extra complexity.

 

[Aviador]

Ey up sitha totally agree

As thy got a bit a muk f't runway lad.

 

[The Pole]

The first two are likely to be adjacent stand 21 in the grass between the delta taxiway.



The pan is not maintained and insured for manoeuvring large aircraft any more. Multiflights eastern ramp is often very busy with private traffic and the southside areas are not within the same security critical part. This brings about different rules in terms of screening that add extra complexity.

1996 euros i recall or was it a bad weather event we had planes parked everywhere!

 

[White Heather]

1996 euros i recall or was it a bad weather event we had planes parked everywhere!

Both.

 

[White Heather]

Here is my summary of today's LBA Consultative Committee Meeting.

*. Airspace Change Programme.

Once again the proposals out forward by LBA were rejected by the CAA , who are changing direction , failing to clarify what they want, and apparently being inconsistent. LBA are not happy and had a meeting at Gatwick recently to try and clarify what they actually want. Not only are these rejections wasting time and effort but they are costing the airport financially.
The CAA have now indicated that although DSA remains closed, LBA need to take account of their (previous) existing airspace in case the Doncaster Councils demands are met. This, despite a general acknowledgement that the DSA airspace was ridiculously big for the traffic handled and would be even more so, if it reopened. A preserved DSA airspace constricts LBA airspace making continuous descents for example, more difficult to achieve as those inbound from central Europe would descend through DSA airspace.
Meanwhile, the delay to the LBA proposals is now impacting on the MAN and LPL proposals, and expected to delay everything for 7 months. There is clearly considerable unrest within the industry that unreasonable demands made by the South Yorkshire Mayor and Mayor of Doncaster are being picked up by MPs and causing major delays to the Airspace Change process .

*. LBA Engagement with travel industry.

A presentation was given by Nathan Stephenson, LBAs liaison with all areas of the travel industry, including On Line, Travel Agencies, and Tour Operators. He outlined the steps being taken to enlighten all these outlets as to the development of LBA, what it offers now and in the future and to establish solid working relationships on a partnership basis. Feedback from the industry is relayed to the LBA management and leads to remedial action. This role has been suspended in 2019/20 but reprised last year. On occasions, all members of the LBA Executive Team have accompanied Nathan on these visits.

LBA are also now undertaking training courses at LBA specifically for the travel industry.

*. LBA Regen

A presentation by Steve Hudson, Programme Director.

The two phases of the terminal project were explained again. I've explained it before and there's nothing new. Phase 3, which is separate to the terminal, relates to the construction of new stands. This element was not part of the presentation.

Confirmed that the roof installation commenced 25th July.
M&E installation commenced 28th August.
Link bridge to ground level walkway commences 9th September.

Concrete floor slabs to all levels complete 28th November.

New baggage handling system installation starts 25th November.

The project is on schedule. Completion due April 2025.

Terminal extension go live date is 1st May 2025.

Phase 2 enabling works will commence from February 2025. Completion for Phase 1 opening and includes temporary routings for passengers to access the new area.

Phase 2 is highly complex and consists of many sub-phases.

*. Business udate, Vince Hodder

The airport is doing really well.
1.5m pax in the last 3 months, with the last week in August the busiest ever at LBA.
August was also the busiest ever month in the airport's history.

This is despite the loss of 40k seats annually from Wizz due to the ongoing fleet reduction as a result if the P&W engine issues. Wizz are very pleased with LBA loads, having load factors across their LBA routes exceeding 90%. It was reiterated that Wizz have said that their route performance at LBA is superior to that at DSA and they do NOT intend returning to a reopened DSA. Wizz have indicated their intent to restore full service as and when their full fleet becomes available.

Sun Express are delighted with the Antalya route, showing a highly unusual 87% load factor in their first season - hence the increase next year.

Almost all LBA operators are increasing their ops next year to some degree.

LBA are very happy at getting more routes out of easyJet. These are seen as proving flights which, it is hoped, will lead to further expansion and in due course, potentially, a base. easyJet are now far more open to LBA expansion than they were just 3 years ago.

Jet2 load factors are up to 3.5% lower than expected, predominantly due to their pricing strategy. They are happy to sell at higher prices with a few empty seats rather than lower costs just to fill the aircraft.

LBA have had meetings with the Council of Mosques regarding opportunities to serve the Muslim market. Previous attempts at restoring a direct ISB route have come to nothing but discussions have identified the benefits instead of operating to Saudi Arabia, as this provides links to Pakistan but also serves an increasing demand among younger generation Muslims for holidays abroad in countries that have a Muslim culture. LBA and representatives from the Council if Mosques have therefore been in discussions with Saudi carriers and there is hope that something might be available from the winter 2025 season.

Later this month, LBA is hosting a full day and evening event involving management and numerous representative's from the travel and tourism industry & other interested parties with the main guest being the Chief Executive of Loganair, who are considering LBA for the future.
Routes to London Heathrow (code share with BA), Aberdeen, Southampton and Newquay are all on the agenda for LBA.

A new role, Head of PR will start in October. LBA have taken on board the comments and criticisms regarding the need for PR and working within the community on issues such as noise.

The Parkway Station remains on the agenda for the West Yorkshire Combined Authority (WYCA) but has not been discussed now for quite some time despite badgering by LBA. (No doubt trams, cycle lanes and the like are the priority). LBA now expect that the Parkway Station will not be delivered before late 2027 (previously 2026). When a Leeds City Councillor was asked about this, (who is on the Plans Panel), his response was to ' Ask the Mayor', as this scheme is entirely under the control of WYCA.

And finally, CLEUDs & Night Movements.

Fasten your seatbelts!

As you know, despite the evidence provided, LCC refused CLEUDs 3 and 4 many moons ago. Since then they have asked for several delays to consider CLEUDs 1 & 2. LBA have agreed to these.
The next deadline is Friday 6th. LCC have indicated a decision will be given on CLEUD 1 on Friday. LBAs understanding is that once again the Council will reject it.

However, LCC have requested a further 2 month delay before dealing with CLEUD2, which is considered to be THE most relevant.

You will be pleased to learn that LBA appear to have run out of patience and have rejected the further extension. Their expectation is that despite the mass of evidence submitted, LCC will not budge from their insistence that the airport operate in accordance with the original planning approval as they are disregarding certain aspects relating to future technology as outlined by a specific NOTAM mentioned.

LBA has therefore advised LCC of it's intention to appeal. The documents are already drawn up for the two CLEUDs previously rejected and work is underway on the remaining two.

Speaking as an observer, it seems to me that LCC have always intended rejecting all four in the knowledge that the airport would appeal, and if they win that appeal the Council can wash their hands of it and say they tried. Not our fault guys! But if course, if LBA win, it is their fault. Some common sense is needed here.

Night Movements.

LBAs total night movements will pass the Councils limit if 2920 in mid September. At this point, the Group that shall not be named will issue another press release claiming LBA has exceeded the limit for a 3rd year running. There will be much wailing and knashing of teeth among the anti airport fraternity, LBA will respond as previously.

However, based on LBAs interpretation of the rules, they will not exceed the limit and are predicted to be well below the 2920 limit after QC 0.25 aircraft, delays and other exemptions are taken into account.

This is now clearly an impasse so the airport appealing seems the best way forward. Should the airport lose their appeal though, the implications don't bear thinking about.

The Council say the airport is breaking the rules but are doing nothing about it. Just as they haven't done for the last 15 years -hence the CLEUDs which they seem to be in denial about!

Meanwhile LBA are adamant the Council are interpreting the rules incorrectly (in my view, to suit their agenda).

And so it goes on!

That's all folks

 

[LBAYORKIE]

Here is my summary of today's LBA Consultative Committee Meeting.

*. Airspace Change Programme.

Once again the proposals out forward by LBA were rejected by the CAA , who are changing direction , failing to clarify what they want, and apparently being inconsistent. LBA are not happy and had a meeting at Gatwick recently to try and clarify what they actually want. Not only are these rejections wasting time and effort but they are costing the airport financially.
The CAA have now indicated that although DSA remains closed, LBA need to take account of their (previous) existing airspace in case the Doncaster Councils demands are met. This, despite a general acknowledgement that the DSA airspace was ridiculously big for the traffic handled and would be even more so, if it reopened. A preserved DSA airspace constricts LBA airspace making continuous descents for example, more difficult to achieve as those inbound from central Europe would descend through DSA airspace.
Meanwhile, the delay to the LBA proposals is now impacting on the MAN and LPL proposals, and expected to delay everything for 7 months. There is clearly considerable unrest within the industry that unreasonable demands made by the South Yorkshire Mayor and Mayor of Doncaster are being picked up by MPs and causing major delays to the Airspace Change process .

*. LBA Engagement with travel industry.

A presentation was given by Nathan Stephenson, LBAs liaison with all areas of the travel industry, including On Line, Travel Agencies, and Tour Operators. He outlined the steps being taken to enlighten all these outlets as to the development of LBA, what it offers now and in the future and to establish solid working relationships on a partnership basis. Feedback from the industry is relayed to the LBA management and leads to remedial action. This role has been suspended in 2019/20 but reprised last year. On occasions, all members of the LBA Executive Team have accompanied Nathan on these visits.

LBA are also now undertaking training courses at LBA specifically for the travel industry.

*. LBA Regen

A presentation by Steve Hudson, Programme Director.

The two phases of the terminal project were explained again. I've explained it before and there's nothing new. Phase 3, which is separate to the terminal, relates to the construction of new stands. This element was not part of the presentation.

Confirmed that the roof installation commenced 25th July.
M&E installation commenced 28th August.
Link bridge to ground level walkway commences 9th September.

Concrete floor slabs to all levels complete 28th November.

New baggage handling system installation starts 25th November.

The project is on schedule. Completion due April 2025.

Terminal extension go live date is 1st May 2025.

Phase 2 enabling works will commence from February 2025. Completion for Phase 1 opening and includes temporary routings for passengers to access the new area.

Phase 2 is highly complex and consists of many sub-phases.

*. Business udate, Vince Hodder

The airport is doing really well.
1.5m pax in the last 3 months, with the last week in August the busiest ever at LBA.
August was also the busiest ever month in the airport's history.

This is despite the loss of 40k seats annually from Wizz due to the ongoing fleet reduction as a result if the P&W engine issues. Wizz are very pleased with LBA loads, having load factors across their LBA routes exceeding 90%. It was reiterated that Wizz have said that their route performance at LBA is superior to that at DSA and they do NOT intend returning to a reopened DSA. Wizz have indicated their intent to restore full service as and when their full fleet becomes available.

Sun Express are delighted with the Antalya route, showing a highly unusual 87% load factor in their first season - hence the increase next year.

Almost all LBA operators are increasing their ops next year to some degree.

LBA are very happy at getting more routes out of easyJet. These are seen as proving flights which, it is hoped, will lead to further expansion and in due course, potentially, a base. easyJet are now far more open to LBA expansion than they were just 3 years ago.

Jet2 load factors are up to 3.5% lower than expected, predominantly due to their pricing strategy. They are happy to sell at higher prices with a few empty seats rather than lower costs just to fill the aircraft.

LBA have had meetings with the Council of Mosques regarding opportunities to serve the Muslim market. Previous attempts at restoring a direct ISB route have come to nothing but discussions have identified the benefits instead of operating to Saudi Arabia, as this provides links to Pakistan but also serves an increasing demand among younger generation Muslims for holidays abroad in countries that have a Muslim culture. LBA and representatives from the Council if Mosques have therefore been in discussions with Saudi carriers and there is hope that something might be available from the winter 2025 season.

Later this month, LBA is hosting a full day and evening event involving management and numerous representative's from the travel and tourism industry & other interested parties with the main guest being the Chief Executive of Loganair, who are considering LBA for the future.
Routes to London Heathrow (code share with BA), Aberdeen, Southampton and Newquay are all on the agenda for LBA.

A new role, Head of PR will start in October. LBA have taken on board the comments and criticisms regarding the need for PR and working within the community on issues such as noise.

The Parkway Station remains on the agenda for the West Yorkshire Combined Authority (WYCA) but has not been discussed now for quite some time despite badgering by LBA. (No doubt trams, cycle lanes and the like are the priority). LBA now expect that the Parkway Station will not be delivered before late 2027 (previously 2026). When a Leeds City Councillor was asked about this, (who is on the Plans Panel), his response was to ' Ask the Mayor', as this scheme is entirely under the control of WYCA.

And finally, CLEUDs & Night Movements.

Fasten your seatbelts!

As you know, despite the evidence provided, LCC refused CLEUDs 3 and 4 many moons ago. Since then they have asked for several delays to consider CLEUDs 1 & 2. LBA have agreed to these.
The next deadline is Friday 6th. LCC have indicated a decision will be given on CLEUD 1 on Friday. LBAs understanding is that once again the Council will reject it.

However, LCC have requested a further 2 month delay before dealing with CLEUD2, which is considered to be THE most relevant.

You will be pleased to learn that LBA appear to have run out of patience and have rejected the further extension. Their expectation is that despite the mass of evidence submitted, LCC will not budge from their insistence that the airport operate in accordance with the original planning approval as they are disregarding certain aspects relating to future technology as outlined by a specific NOTAM mentioned.

LBA has therefore advised LCC of it's intention to appeal. The documents are already drawn up for the two CLEUDs previously rejected and work is underway on the remaining two.

Speaking as an observer, it seems to me that LCC have always intended rejecting all four in the knowledge that the airport would appeal, and if they win that appeal the Council can wash their hands of it and say they tried. Not our fault guys! But if course, if LBA win, it is their fault. Some common sense is needed here.

Night Movements.

LBAs total night movements will pass the Councils limit if 2920 in mid September. At this point, the Group that shall not be named will issue another press release claiming LBA has exceeded the limit for a 3rd year running. There will be much waiting and knashing of teeth among the anti auroort fraternity, LBA will respond as previously.

However, based on LBAs interpretation of the rules, they will not exceed the limit and are predicted to be well below the 2920 limit after QC 0.25 aircraft, delays and other exemptions are taken into account.

This is now clearly an impasse so the airport appealing seems the best way forward. Should the airport lose their appeal though, the implications don't bear thinking about.

The Council say the airport is breaking the rules but are doing nothing about it. Just as they haven't done for the last 15 years -hence the CLEUDs which they seem to be in denial about!

Meanwhile LBA are adamant the Council are interpreting the rules incorrectly (in my view, to suit their agenda).

And so it goes on!

That's all folks

Great summary. Thanks.

 

[LBA4EVER]

Here is my summary of today's LBA Consultative Committee Meeting.

*. Airspace Change Programme.

Once again the proposals out forward by LBA were rejected by the CAA , who are changing direction , failing to clarify what they want, and apparently being inconsistent. LBA are not happy and had a meeting at Gatwick recently to try and clarify what they actually want. Not only are these rejections wasting time and effort but they are costing the airport financially.
The CAA have now indicated that although DSA remains closed, LBA need to take account of their (previous) existing airspace in case the Doncaster Councils demands are met. This, despite a general acknowledgement that the DSA airspace was ridiculously big for the traffic handled and would be even more so, if it reopened. A preserved DSA airspace constricts LBA airspace making continuous descents for example, more difficult to achieve as those inbound from central Europe would descend through DSA airspace.
Meanwhile, the delay to the LBA proposals is now impacting on the MAN and LPL proposals, and expected to delay everything for 7 months. There is clearly considerable unrest within the industry that unreasonable demands made by the South Yorkshire Mayor and Mayor of Doncaster are being picked up by MPs and causing major delays to the Airspace Change process .

*. LBA Engagement with travel industry.

A presentation was given by Nathan Stephenson, LBAs liaison with all areas of the travel industry, including On Line, Travel Agencies, and Tour Operators. He outlined the steps being taken to enlighten all these outlets as to the development of LBA, what it offers now and in the future and to establish solid working relationships on a partnership basis. Feedback from the industry is relayed to the LBA management and leads to remedial action. This role has been suspended in 2019/20 but reprised last year. On occasions, all members of the LBA Executive Team have accompanied Nathan on these visits.

LBA are also now undertaking training courses at LBA specifically for the travel industry.

*. LBA Regen

A presentation by Steve Hudson, Programme Director.

The two phases of the terminal project were explained again. I've explained it before and there's nothing new. Phase 3, which is separate to the terminal, relates to the construction of new stands. This element was not part of the presentation.

Confirmed that the roof installation commenced 25th July.
M&E installation commenced 28th August.
Link bridge to ground level walkway commences 9th September.

Concrete floor slabs to all levels complete 28th November.

New baggage handling system installation starts 25th November.

The project is on schedule. Completion due April 2025.

Terminal extension go live date is 1st May 2025.

Phase 2 enabling works will commence from February 2025. Completion for Phase 1 opening and includes temporary routings for passengers to access the new area.

Phase 2 is highly complex and consists of many sub-phases.

*. Business udate, Vince Hodder

The airport is doing really well.
1.5m pax in the last 3 months, with the last week in August the busiest ever at LBA.
August was also the busiest ever month in the airport's history.

This is despite the loss of 40k seats annually from Wizz due to the ongoing fleet reduction as a result if the P&W engine issues. Wizz are very pleased with LBA loads, having load factors across their LBA routes exceeding 90%. It was reiterated that Wizz have said that their route performance at LBA is superior to that at DSA and they do NOT intend returning to a reopened DSA. Wizz have indicated their intent to restore full service as and when their full fleet becomes available.

Sun Express are delighted with the Antalya route, showing a highly unusual 87% load factor in their first season - hence the increase next year.

Almost all LBA operators are increasing their ops next year to some degree.

LBA are very happy at getting more routes out of easyJet. These are seen as proving flights which, it is hoped, will lead to further expansion and in due course, potentially, a base. easyJet are now far more open to LBA expansion than they were just 3 years ago.

Jet2 load factors are up to 3.5% lower than expected, predominantly due to their pricing strategy. They are happy to sell at higher prices with a few empty seats rather than lower costs just to fill the aircraft.

LBA have had meetings with the Council of Mosques regarding opportunities to serve the Muslim market. Previous attempts at restoring a direct ISB route have come to nothing but discussions have identified the benefits instead of operating to Saudi Arabia, as this provides links to Pakistan but also serves an increasing demand among younger generation Muslims for holidays abroad in countries that have a Muslim culture. LBA and representatives from the Council if Mosques have therefore been in discussions with Saudi carriers and there is hope that something might be available from the winter 2025 season.

Later this month, LBA is hosting a full day and evening event involving management and numerous representative's from the travel and tourism industry & other interested parties with the main guest being the Chief Executive of Loganair, who are considering LBA for the future.
Routes to London Heathrow (code share with BA), Aberdeen, Southampton and Newquay are all on the agenda for LBA.

A new role, Head of PR will start in October. LBA have taken on board the comments and criticisms regarding the need for PR and working within the community on issues such as noise.

The Parkway Station remains on the agenda for the West Yorkshire Combined Authority (WYCA) but has not been discussed now for quite some time despite badgering by LBA. (No doubt trams, cycle lanes and the like are the priority). LBA now expect that the Parkway Station will not be delivered before late 2027 (previously 2026). When a Leeds City Councillor was asked about this, (who is on the Plans Panel), his response was to ' Ask the Mayor', as this scheme is entirely under the control of WYCA.

And finally, CLEUDs & Night Movements.

Fasten your seatbelts!

As you know, despite the evidence provided, LCC refused CLEUDs 3 and 4 many moons ago. Since then they have asked for several delays to consider CLEUDs 1 & 2. LBA have agreed to these.
The next deadline is Friday 6th. LCC have indicated a decision will be given on CLEUD 1 on Friday. LBAs understanding is that once again the Council will reject it.

However, LCC have requested a further 2 month delay before dealing with CLEUD2, which is considered to be THE most relevant.

You will be pleased to learn that LBA appear to have run out of patience and have rejected the further extension. Their expectation is that despite the mass of evidence submitted, LCC will not budge from their insistence that the airport operate in accordance with the original planning approval as they are disregarding certain aspects relating to future technology as outlined by a specific NOTAM mentioned.

LBA has therefore advised LCC of it's intention to appeal. The documents are already drawn up for the two CLEUDs previously rejected and work is underway on the remaining two.

Speaking as an observer, it seems to me that LCC have always intended rejecting all four in the knowledge that the airport would appeal, and if they win that appeal the Council can wash their hands of it and say they tried. Not our fault guys! But if course, if LBA win, it is their fault. Some common sense is needed here.

Night Movements.

LBAs total night movements will pass the Councils limit if 2920 in mid September. At this point, the Group that shall not be named will issue another press release claiming LBA has exceeded the limit for a 3rd year running. There will be much wailing and knashing of teeth among the anti airport fraternity, LBA will respond as previously.

However, based on LBAs interpretation of the rules, they will not exceed the limit and are predicted to be well below the 2920 limit after QC 0.25 aircraft, delays and other exemptions are taken into account.

This is now clearly an impasse so the airport appealing seems the best way forward. Should the airport lose their appeal though, the implications don't bear thinking about.

The Council say the airport is breaking the rules but are doing nothing about it. Just as they haven't done for the last 15 years -hence the CLEUDs which they seem to be in denial about!

Meanwhile LBA are adamant the Council are interpreting the rules incorrectly (in my view, to suit their agenda).

And so it goes on!

That's all folks

Thanks for the report WH, once again LBA is in a very strong position, it's great to hear the airlines are performing extremely well with more to come by the looks of things.
Who would of thought saudi would be on the LBA radar but it does make perfect sense. With the correct aircraft type such as A321neo/xlr runway issues would not be an issue, a large muslim community in our region and roughly only 30mins more flying time from the egypt resorts its certainly a possibility, also from what i hear saudi itself is a booming place at the moment, in fact someone i know has just gone out there to work.
Exciting times at LBA!

 

[SierraHotel]

Excellent report as ever WH. Thanks you

Link bridge to ground level walkway commences 9th September.

Can someone please clarify what the link bridge is/looks like?

 

[gulftraveller]

I am not sure the management’s thinking on a potential Saudia link has been that well researched. Jeddah is just not a good place to connect to/from flights to Pakistan as there are no identifiable ‘banks’. Connection times can be between long and excessive. As for tourism to Saudi Arabia, outside of Hajj and Umrah, it is not yet a destination even for Gulf Arabs.

Saudia can only compete in the UK market by keeping prices low - many reasons for that including lack of brand awareness. As a result, yields are low. Cargo and premium passengers are, therefore, vital. I suspect LBA would struggle on this, at least the former.

 

[JRP]

Brilliant report as ever WH
Thank you for taking the time to share with us all this information
Everything sounds so positive apart from the clueless council

 

[LBAYORKIE]

I am not sure the management’s thinking on a potential Saudia link has been that well researched. Jeddah is just not a good place to connect to/from flights to Pakistan as there are no identifiable ‘banks’. Connection times can be between long and excessive. As for tourism to Saudi Arabia, outside of Hajj and Umrah, it is not yet a destination even for Gulf Arabs.

Saudia can only compete in the UK market by keeping prices low - many reasons for that including lack of brand awareness. As a result, yields are low. Cargo and premium passengers are, therefore, vital. I suspect LBA would struggle on this, at least the former.

What about Riyadh Air, they have big plans and are to be the 2nd Saudi flag carrier.

Here is my summary of today's LBA Consultative Committee Meeting.

*. Airspace Change Programme.

Once again the proposals out forward by LBA were rejected by the CAA , who are changing direction , failing to clarify what they want, and apparently being inconsistent. LBA are not happy and had a meeting at Gatwick recently to try and clarify what they actually want. Not only are these rejections wasting time and effort but they are costing the airport financially.
The CAA have now indicated that although DSA remains closed, LBA need to take account of their (previous) existing airspace in case the Doncaster Councils demands are met. This, despite a general acknowledgement that the DSA airspace was ridiculously big for the traffic handled and would be even more so, if it reopened. A preserved DSA airspace constricts LBA airspace making continuous descents for example, more difficult to achieve as those inbound from central Europe would descend through DSA airspace.
Meanwhile, the delay to the LBA proposals is now impacting on the MAN and LPL proposals, and expected to delay everything for 7 months. There is clearly considerable unrest within the industry that unreasonable demands made by the South Yorkshire Mayor and Mayor of Doncaster are being picked up by MPs and causing major delays to the Airspace Change process .

*. LBA Engagement with travel industry.

A presentation was given by Nathan Stephenson, LBAs liaison with all areas of the travel industry, including On Line, Travel Agencies, and Tour Operators. He outlined the steps being taken to enlighten all these outlets as to the development of LBA, what it offers now and in the future and to establish solid working relationships on a partnership basis. Feedback from the industry is relayed to the LBA management and leads to remedial action. This role has been suspended in 2019/20 but reprised last year. On occasions, all members of the LBA Executive Team have accompanied Nathan on these visits.

LBA are also now undertaking training courses at LBA specifically for the travel industry.

*. LBA Regen

A presentation by Steve Hudson, Programme Director.

The two phases of the terminal project were explained again. I've explained it before and there's nothing new. Phase 3, which is separate to the terminal, relates to the construction of new stands. This element was not part of the presentation.

Confirmed that the roof installation commenced 25th July.
M&E installation commenced 28th August.
Link bridge to ground level walkway commences 9th September.

Concrete floor slabs to all levels complete 28th November.

New baggage handling system installation starts 25th November.

The project is on schedule. Completion due April 2025.

Terminal extension go live date is 1st May 2025.

Phase 2 enabling works will commence from February 2025. Completion for Phase 1 opening and includes temporary routings for passengers to access the new area.

Phase 2 is highly complex and consists of many sub-phases.

*. Business udate, Vince Hodder

The airport is doing really well.
1.5m pax in the last 3 months, with the last week in August the busiest ever at LBA.
August was also the busiest ever month in the airport's history.

This is despite the loss of 40k seats annually from Wizz due to the ongoing fleet reduction as a result if the P&W engine issues. Wizz are very pleased with LBA loads, having load factors across their LBA routes exceeding 90%. It was reiterated that Wizz have said that their route performance at LBA is superior to that at DSA and they do NOT intend returning to a reopened DSA. Wizz have indicated their intent to restore full service as and when their full fleet becomes available.

Sun Express are delighted with the Antalya route, showing a highly unusual 87% load factor in their first season - hence the increase next year.

Almost all LBA operators are increasing their ops next year to some degree.

LBA are very happy at getting more routes out of easyJet. These are seen as proving flights which, it is hoped, will lead to further expansion and in due course, potentially, a base. easyJet are now far more open to LBA expansion than they were just 3 years ago.

Jet2 load factors are up to 3.5% lower than expected, predominantly due to their pricing strategy. They are happy to sell at higher prices with a few empty seats rather than lower costs just to fill the aircraft.

LBA have had meetings with the Council of Mosques regarding opportunities to serve the Muslim market. Previous attempts at restoring a direct ISB route have come to nothing but discussions have identified the benefits instead of operating to Saudi Arabia, as this provides links to Pakistan but also serves an increasing demand among younger generation Muslims for holidays abroad in countries that have a Muslim culture. LBA and representatives from the Council if Mosques have therefore been in discussions with Saudi carriers and there is hope that something might be available from the winter 2025 season.

Later this month, LBA is hosting a full day and evening event involving management and numerous representative's from the travel and tourism industry & other interested parties with the main guest being the Chief Executive of Loganair, who are considering LBA for the future.
Routes to London Heathrow (code share with BA), Aberdeen, Southampton and Newquay are all on the agenda for LBA.

A new role, Head of PR will start in October. LBA have taken on board the comments and criticisms regarding the need for PR and working within the community on issues such as noise.

The Parkway Station remains on the agenda for the West Yorkshire Combined Authority (WYCA) but has not been discussed now for quite some time despite badgering by LBA. (No doubt trams, cycle lanes and the like are the priority). LBA now expect that the Parkway Station will not be delivered before late 2027 (previously 2026). When a Leeds City Councillor was asked about this, (who is on the Plans Panel), his response was to ' Ask the Mayor', as this scheme is entirely under the control of WYCA.

And finally, CLEUDs & Night Movements.

Fasten your seatbelts!

As you know, despite the evidence provided, LCC refused CLEUDs 3 and 4 many moons ago. Since then they have asked for several delays to consider CLEUDs 1 & 2. LBA have agreed to these.
The next deadline is Friday 6th. LCC have indicated a decision will be given on CLEUD 1 on Friday. LBAs understanding is that once again the Council will reject it.

However, LCC have requested a further 2 month delay before dealing with CLEUD2, which is considered to be THE most relevant.

You will be pleased to learn that LBA appear to have run out of patience and have rejected the further extension. Their expectation is that despite the mass of evidence submitted, LCC will not budge from their insistence that the airport operate in accordance with the original planning approval as they are disregarding certain aspects relating to future technology as outlined by a specific NOTAM mentioned.

LBA has therefore advised LCC of it's intention to appeal. The documents are already drawn up for the two CLEUDs previously rejected and work is underway on the remaining two.

Speaking as an observer, it seems to me that LCC have always intended rejecting all four in the knowledge that the airport would appeal, and if they win that appeal the Council can wash their hands of it and say they tried. Not our fault guys! But if course, if LBA win, it is their fault. Some common sense is needed here.

Night Movements.

LBAs total night movements will pass the Councils limit if 2920 in mid September. At this point, the Group that shall not be named will issue another press release claiming LBA has exceeded the limit for a 3rd year running. There will be much wailing and knashing of teeth among the anti airport fraternity, LBA will respond as previously.

However, based on LBAs interpretation of the rules, they will not exceed the limit and are predicted to be well below the 2920 limit after QC 0.25 aircraft, delays and other exemptions are taken into account.

This is now clearly an impasse so the airport appealing seems the best way forward. Should the airport lose their appeal though, the implications don't bear thinking about.

The Council say the airport is breaking the rules but are doing nothing about it. Just as they haven't done for the last 15 years -hence the CLEUDs which they seem to be in denial about!

Meanwhile LBA are adamant the Council are interpreting the rules incorrectly (in my view, to suit their agenda).

And so it goes on!

That's all folks

Loganair would presumably use ATR72's on any service to Heathrow. Not ideal aircraft to operate from Leeds as we know.

I assume having heard all the comments on here about the landing fees Embraers attract at Heathrow that this would preclude their use.

 

[gulftraveller]

What about Riyadh Air, they have big plans and are to be the 2nd Saudi flag carrier.

Riyadh Air will be focusing on main hubs for the first two to three years. Even if plausible, a service with them would be minimum 5-7 years away. Their chosen aircraft is B787-9. Would that fit with an LBA service, particularly if cargo is not available?

Forget about Saudi Arabia. LBA’s management should focus on an LCC such as Air Arabia, even though they still have only a small presence in Europe.