Ryanair

[Marko1]

Sofia also now disappeared

 

[Marko1]

Ryanair have announced a range of increases to Greek destinations. However nothing from Bristol and the only destination that was available Chania is no longer on sale. Not sure what is the deal with Ryanair at the moment. I would have though it would be Ryanair who would react most to jet2 arriving at Bristol

 

[TheLocalYokel]

Ryanair have announced a range of increases to Greek destinations. However nothing from Bristol and the only destination that was available Chania is no longer on sale. Not sure what is the deal with Ryanair at the moment. I would have though it would be Ryanair who would react most to jet2 arriving at Bristol

Perhaps BRS is not one of those airports that responded to Ryanair's public challenge to 'make us an offer we can't refuse'.

We know that BRS has previous for not rolling over to Ryanair's demands - in 2012. Unusually Ryanair made no public comment about it but did reduce its base from five to two aircraft whilst retaining all services by the use of additional aircraft from other bases. That was its response to the BRS refusal to lower peak hour and overnight parking charges.

Since then the base has become four aircraft together with an equivalent three aircraft base operating to BRS from other Ryanair bases in summer (pre-pandemic of course).

Unless the reason is that Ryanair is wary of Jet2. Perhaps unlikely because Ryanair operates a number of BRS routes unlikely to appeal to Jet2.

The Ryanair programme for summer 2022 will be interesting. Should go some way to showing how its relationship with BRS will progress.

 

[Marko1]

Is Malta flying this summer or not ? The flights are not on sale with Ryanair but appear in their timetable section plus OnTheBeach is selling holidays this summer.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

Is Malta flying this summer or not ? The flights are not on sale with Ryanair but appear in their timetable section plus OnTheBeach is selling holidays this summer.

Curiouser and curiouser but there still seems no definitive answer.

 

[superking]

With Malta not yet been announced that tells me no other airline has Malta on its radar.Perhaps Ryanair are waiting to see if any one else has Malta plans. If its a case of wait and see. They want to hurry up or some one else will jump on the route,2 airlines if not 3 spring to mind.

 

[Jerry]

Malta will return from 31st October 2 weekly Wednesday and Sunday.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

Malta will return from 31st October 2 weekly Wednesday and Sunday.

It's been shown in the booking engine for next winter for quite a while. It's the coming summer that is the mystery. It was originally shown at an increased 4 x weekly then taken out completely and not reinstated.

 

[Jerry]

It's been shown in the booking engine for next winter for quite a while. It's the coming summer that is the mystery. It was originally shown at an increased 4 x weekly then taken out completely and not reinstated.

I thought it had gone completely. Maybe they'll not restart until the winter now?

 

[TheLocalYokel]

I thought it had gone completely. Maybe they'll not restart until the winter now?

It looks that way. All the other summer UK-MLA* routes have been shown in the booking engine for summer 21 for quite a while, albeit a number don't begin until July: the routes are from BHX, BOH, EMA, EDI, LBA, LPL, LTN, STN and MAN.

It's a complete mystery why BRS has been left out as it's a busier airport with a larger MLA market than some of these airports. There must be a reason for its absence especially as it was originally shown at the increased 4 x weekly for the coming summer before being removed

* the only other UK airport not showing booking availability for MLA in summer 21 is BFS and currently there is no winter 21/22 availability either from that airport.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

Ryanair have announced a range of increases to Greek destinations. However nothing from Bristol and the only destination that was available Chania is no longer on sale. Not sure what is the deal with Ryanair at the moment. I would have though it would be Ryanair who would react most to jet2 arriving at Bristol

More Greek destinations announced for other airports by Ryanair today for the coming summer, including two new Chania routes - to Leeds-Bradford and Newcastle.

I wondered if TUI's route to Chania from BRS had an effect but I notice that LBA has an existing Jet2 Chania route.

Booking engine shows that Rzeszow is back for winter having apparently been dropped for the summer (like Malta). The other five Ryanair Polish routes are operating this summer and next winter according to the booking engine.

The latest with two of the other routes that have been coming and going through the booking engine in recent months - Seville and Sofia - shows both operating in the coming winter with Sofia, normally a ski season weekly flight, showing availability right through the winter from early November......until the next change!

 

[Marko1]

I’m really not understanding Ryanair’s position at Bristol. The press release mentions one new route - Venice which in a form or another has operated for years. The release today of more Greece to uk routes completely left Bristol off the list . Given that Greece seems to be one of the more willing to put up with us this summer I’m very surprised that we have yet to see anything. Likewise with Malta and Seville too. Ryanair have operated for a few years alongside tui on the chania route , indeed I would have expected an increase in frequency rather than a dropping. Not quite understanding where Ryanair fits in between jet2 , tui and easyJet.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

I’m really not understanding Ryanair’s position at Bristol. The press release mentions one new route - Venice which in a form or another has operated for years. The release today of more Greece to uk routes completely left Bristol off the list . Given that Greece seems to be one of the more willing to put up with us this summer I’m very surprised that we have yet to see anything. Likewise with Malta and Seville too. Ryanair have operated for a few years alongside tui on the chania route , indeed I would have expected an increase in frequency rather than a dropping. Not quite understanding where Ryanair fits in between jet2 , tui and easyJet.

I think BRS is TUI's fourth largest base, or was pre-pandemic. easyJet was the third largest UK base after LGW and LTN but MAN might now have just overtaken it. Jet2 has come in with a significant sized base (three aircraft or is it four for 2022?). Ryanair had four aircraft based but operated the equivalent of three further based aircraft using aircraft based at the 'other end' of a number of routes.

Looking at the UK outside London airports only MAN has a bigger representation of each of these four airlines. In normal times MAN is about three times busier than BRS passenger number-wise. That might be one reason why Ryanair sees limited opportunity for further growth for it at BRS.

 

[Jerry]

Sofia to resume.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1374702480332877824

 

[Jerry]

Ryanair have operated for a few years alongside tui on the chania route , indeed I would have expected an increase in frequency rather than a dropping.

Maybe they feel they can make more money with the aircraft on another route?

 

[Foxlimayankee]

Maybe they feel they can make more money with the aircraft on another route?

Chania and most Greek Islands tend to be good money makers through summer as you'll see a lot more ancillary revenue on these 'holiday' flights, such as bags and purchases on board. TUI will mainly offer packages, with flight only on these routes tending to be quite highly priced, therefore leaving the flight only and self made holiday market to Ryanair.

 

[Marko1]

The fact that these would be flights that would command high ancillary revenues was the main reason why I question the lack of an offer from Brs . There must be others factors at work

 

[TheLocalYokel]

The fact that these would be flights that would command high ancillary revenues was the main reason why I question the lack of an offer from Brs . There must be others factors at work

Malta and Chania appear bizarre omissions to make this year with sun-type holidays likely to be the big sellers as (we hope) the pandemic effects begin to recede. Even odder that MLA is set to return for the winter.

I did suggest in an earlier post today that Ryanair might be sceptical about their growth opportunities at BRS because of Jet2 now joining them, easyJet and TUI in a substantial presence, but as Foxlimayankee pointed out Ryanair is the only one of the four that is solely flight-only. The others have linked holiday companies. Furthermore, for this summer at least it must surely be a case of making as much hay as possible from the limited amount of grass likely to be available in terms of the number of routes that will be permitted by governments.

As I mooted in a post a week or two ago, perhaps BRS has not offered Ryanair the sort of deal it was looking for from airports. In the winter it made it quite clear publicly that it was seeking airports that would make it an offer too good to refuse.

 

[Foxlimayankee]

As I mooted in a post a week or two ago, perhaps BRS has not offered Ryanair the sort of deal it was looking for from airports. In the winter it made it quite clear publicly that it was seeking airports that would make it an offer too good to refuse.

Which makes even less sense if it's likely MLA and CHQ would make more than other routes currently on sale from BRS. As has been said holiday demand is likely to trump city break demand, unless there's a surge in people visiting home, but again these city flights command less ancillary revenue.
Also another questions is why would FR not operate MLA and CHQ over other routes? Both can be operated by non-based aircraft which was seen in the past, reduced based aircraft but same amount of flights.

 

[Marko1]

That’s my very point. Why fly Limoges or Bergerac and not Malta or chania ? We could do with a red flyer comment