easyJet

[Jerry]

I am in no doubt that many smaller airports around the UK would jump at the chance of a BRS-type easyJet operation even if it did come with one or two cons.

Oh I've no doubt that if you asked the CWL management what airline they'd like to attract and they'd say Easyjet. Even just a small presence. Same for EXT and NQY.

With Easyjet expanding more in Germany then maybe they'll look at more German routes from Bristol in the future.

 

[Marko1]

We have discussed before about the need for new airlines to pitch up at brs but it's hard to see where they would come from. If Air France returned then I guess it's goodbye to bmi on that route and I doubt lufthansa Swiss or sas would return after numerous previous attempts. Plus our recent record with wow and wizz are not good reading. However at some point in the very near future the airport will have to start encouraging some competition to broaden the choice of airlines times and fares. Just who can they tempt ?

 

[TheLocalYokel]

We have discussed before about the need for new airlines to pitch up at brs but it's hard to see where they would come from. If Air France returned then I guess it's goodbye to bmi on that route and I doubt lufthansa Swiss or sas would return after numerous previous attempts. Plus our recent record with wow and wizz are not good reading. However at some point in the very near future the airport will have to start encouraging some competition to broaden the choice of airlines times and fares. Just who can they tempt ?

Do they want to tempt anyone at present given their policy to grow through existing carriers?

Regarding the recent discussion about the Paris Cdg route, the easyJet outbounds today, Sat, Sun and Mon are all sold out with Sun and Mon sold out on the inbounds. Even with bmir competing easyJet does continue to sell out regularly. Given the obvious demand I wonder where those people go who can't book because of sold out flights.

 

[Jerry]

Given the obvious demand I wonder where those people go

Cardiff, Exeter, Birmingham and the London airports I'd have thought.

 

[Marko1]

Paris is not alone this weekend Madrid Alicante Rome are all sold out as well this weekend and those that are available have some eye watering fares attached. It just goes to show that demand is definitely there even in march. It also shows that maybe its frequencies on existing routes that need to be focused on.

 

[Jerry]

Paris is not alone this weekend Madrid Alicante Rome are all sold out as well this weekend and those that are available have some eye watering fares attached. It just goes to show that demand is definitely there even in march. It also shows that maybe its frequencies on existing routes that need to be focused on.

But do they have the aircraft and if frequencies are added would it effect the yields? It's also quite possible that although the flights are sold out they may make more money on other routes that they may well have to cut to introduce more frequencies on routes like that.

 

[superking]

With sold out flights it may be simple as changing aircraft models around.
Sounds like teaching easy jet how to suck eggs.

 

[Marko1]

Going forward both Bristol and Cardiff airports strategy is to stop the 7 million plus passengers who trek up the m4 to Heathrow to fly on a short haul route. Until last year myself and Mrs Marko would not even look at a short haul route that did not fly from brs or cwl but given the lack of choice of frequency and fares I often now look at ba out of Heathrow as an option for a quick break abroad. I think Bristol is reaching the mass demand where some of these city destinations in particular need more competition and choice of flights

 

[BRSregular]

Quite simply, most routes need to be a minimum of daily. I’ve lost count of the number of times I have had to fly from a London airport instead of Bristol due to either an outbound or an inbound flight not being available.
Even today, my family has flown to Basel. They could have flown from Bristol today but as they are coming back on Monday and there isn’t a Basel - Bristol flight on Monday they have had to trek to Stansted. That’s where the leakage to London is. If the flights were there, demand would increase. Whilst some people are able to fit their plans around schedules eg I flew BRS to DBV even though the days from BRS aren’t great, sometimes it just isn’t possible and you have to fly from elsewhere

 

[TheLocalYokel]

Cardiff, Exeter, Birmingham and the London airports I'd have thought.

Some probably although with an apparent significant increase in bmir's CDG passenger numbers in 2017, perhaps confirmed by their increased number of weekly rotations on the route this summer, they might well be the chief beneficiary of people being unable to get on easyJet flights.

With sold out flights it may be simple as changing aircraft models around.
Sounds like teaching easy jet how to suck eggs.

Yet other routes have been increased in frequency that, on the face of it, don't looks as good bets as CDG. We don't know how expensive CDG is for easyJet to serve, although bmir doesn't seem to have a problem, and it's likely that the sun routes have much bigger takes in onboard spending which goes into the easyJet yield equation.

Going forward both Bristol and Cardiff airports strategy is to stop the 7 million plus passengers who trek up the m4 to Heathrow to fly on a short haul route. Until last year myself and Mrs Marko would not even look at a short haul route that did not fly from brs or cwl but given the lack of choice of frequency and fares I often now look at ba out of Heathrow as an option for a quick break abroad. I think Bristol is reaching the mass demand where some of these city destinations in particular need more competition and choice of flights

It is frustrating and if easyJet can't or won't increase frequencies on some routes then perhaps the airport should be looking to attract other carriers. Quite who I'm not sure as Jet2, perhaps the obvious one, is more and more a holiday airline. It's a balance though because the airport can't afford to fall out with easyJet who might give a sideways look if competitors came on board and reduced their yield.

Given a new aircraft stand will be ready for this summer (adding to the three introduced last year) and two or three more rumoured for summer 2019 (on part of the old terminal area) it seems the airport is geared up for more aircraft. The question is though - whose? More from existing carriers or new entrants? Ideally more growth would come from non-based aircraft as it would help to spread the load throughout the day.

More and more easyJet BRS routes seem to be selling out regularly these days. If easyJet has done its sums properly they ought to be milking the demand.

Quite simply, most routes need to be a minimum of daily. I’ve lost count of the number of times I have had to fly from a London airport instead of Bristol due to either an outbound or an inbound flight not being available.
Even today, my family has flown to Basel. They could have flown from Bristol today but as they are coming back on Monday and there isn’t a Basel - Bristol flight on Monday they have had to trek to Stansted. That’s where the leakage to London is. If the flights were there, demand would increase. Whilst some people are able to fit their plans around schedules eg I flew BRS to DBV even though the days from BRS aren’t great, sometimes it just isn’t possible and you have to fly from elsewhere

Even at 4 x weekly Basel still frustrates at times. I don't know whether Basel is ready yet for a daily service. If easyJet thought it was their next problem would be finding aircraft. At least with all their 320s now having 186 seats (I think they all have that number now) it represents a tiny increase in capacity but at times that clearly is not always satisfying demand on many routes.

There will always be times when for whatever reason daily or multi-daily rotations on a particular route might not be satisfactory for everyone. We're (Mrs TLY and me) trying to fly relatively locally on long haul later this year but at the moment only LHR satisfies all our criteria which is extremely annoying but probably not a surprise given the wealth of options there. BRS can never completely replace LHR for West Country travellers even on short haul.

 

[superking]

Perhaps easy jet base some of the A321 aircraft when they are delivered

 

[TheLocalYokel]

Perhaps easy jet base some of the A321 aircraft when they are delivered

Eventually perhaps but I suspect that LGW, LTN and maybe MAN might get first picks.

 

[superking]

Stranger things happen in aviation.

 

[Marko1]

I have had a brief look at the gaps for this august -

Mon early am 1 gap. Pm no gap
Tues no gap pm
Weds. 2 gaps pm
Thurs. 0 gaps am 2 gaps pm
Sat 1 gap am 1 gap pm

Where's there's no gap it means all 16 have a scheduled slot

 

[big g]

Perhaps easy jet base some of the A321 aircraft when they are delivered

The A321 will be LGW based for this summer.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

Athens and Stockholm

I've been looking quite regularly at these new routes for this winter, both 2 x weekly.

Athens seems to sell out often according to the seat selector. Tomorrow is another case in point with a 320. Friday's flights are on the 319. For late February this seems very promising.

Stockholm, both weekly rotations on the 319, doesn't seem as popular. Seat selector loads haven't been disastrous with some flights sold out but generally loads seem noticeably lower. easyJet's near 93% year-round load factor which BRS seems able to match, even slightly exceeded in 16/17, will need significantly more on the Stockholm if it is to reach that level consistently on the route.

Of course, we don't know the yields and the seat selector may not be 100% accurate for such calculations.

Athens is seeing remarkable patronage.

At 2 x weekly the next four outbounds are already sold out:

Tuesday 13 March - normally a Monday, I don't know why this week in a Tuesday
Friday16 March
Monday 19 March
Friday 23 March

 

[Deleted member 8862]

Can anyone explain why a number of Easyjet's frames carry an Austrian registration?

I am aware of sub divisions, Easyjet Swiss and so on, but OE prefixes?

 

[Kingshat]

BREXIT insurance policy.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-b...-to-protect-flights-post-brexit-idUKKBN19Z0QG

 

[Deleted member 8862]

Many thanks for the reply, thought it must be something of the sort.

Spotters nightmare by the sound of it.

 

[Marko1]

Athens is seeing remarkable patronage.

At 2 x weekly the next four outbounds are already sold out:

Tuesday 13 March - normally a Monday, I don't know why this week in a Tuesday
Friday16 March
Monday 19 March
Friday 23 March

This surely has to be increased in frequency sooner rather than later. The summer season has yet to start !!