White Heather - I can't see why you have interpreted my posting as a personal attack on yourself. There are no personal references, only discussion of the issues. I'm sorry that you have taken offence, but there are really no grounds for that. The subject matter in question is wholly impersonal, and it is that which I deal with.

Please give some thought to what you post or at least say sorry when you get it wrong.
This lady is an avid Lba supporter and has contributed so much to the discussions we have had.

I gave considerable thought to what I posted. Aviation economics is a core subject for me. I have no desire to see any contributor become upset. But that doesn't mean my facts were wrong, so I can't apologise for explaining economic realities (however unwelcome they might be). Being an avid and valued supporter of a discussion forum does not necessary imply an intimate understanding of the way a corporate behemoth such as IAG operates. On forums we all must be prepared to learn from others ... none of us have a monopoly on the right answers. I know I don't. We can't take a stance of 'how dare anybody question my take on this'. Contentious subjects imply two or more points of view to consider, but that doesn't mean that topical comments should be interpreted as a personal affront.

The reality is that IAG possesses data from which they can determine the contribution made to their bottom line by every slot deployed at their main bases. They do not think parochially as might a local dignitary or a councillor. They do not pick on a destination city to victimise. What they actually do is run the numbers. We need to free up a slot to run the new schedule to XYZ ... what is the most cost-effective way to accommodate this? And these calculations will not just consist of rudimentary profit and loss figures, but also the commercial value of the connecting traffic dependent on the service supported. All slots are subject to constant review to ensure they are being used to most profitable effect. That is why MAN has lost twelve daily LHR slot-pairs in just over ten years and why LBA is losing slots now. It's disappointing for the airports which lose out be that LBA, MAN or anywhere else. But that's business.

I hope that you will continue to post, White Heather. You are clearly widely-appreciated here. But we must all be prepared to see our arguments challenged by healthy on-topic discussion. That is how good discussion forums educate us. It isn't personal.
 
I have to say I am seeing no personal attack in anything that has been posted by anyone. This is all healthy debate based on a combination of fact and opinion and everyone's contributions are very vital, albeit they won't all appeal to everyone. I think sentiments and emotions are running high as a result of the BA at LBA disappointment.
 
Another reason why I see BA keeping their token presence at LBA, is that subject to obtaining slots now that APD/ Heathrow taxes have been reduced I could see BE happily jumping on to the route if BA pulled altogether. Then BA have absolutely no market share from LBA at all, unless IAG as a whole promote LBA - DUB - USA. Four a day on an LBA Based Dash 8 - winnerrrrrr!
 
Another reason why I see BA keeping their token presence at LBA, is that subject to obtaining slots now that APD/ Heathrow taxes have been reduced I could see BE happily jumping on to the route if BA pulled altogether. Then BA have absolutely no market share from LBA at all, unless IAG as a whole promote LBA - DUB - USA. Four a day on an LBA Based Dash 8 - winnerrrrrr!

If ever BE did come to pass on this route would there be scope to base an E175 rather than a Dash 8? Possibly a more attractive option to fly on and encourage the punters? I'm trying to think back as to why the LBA - LGW wasn't a success but I can't remember now, maybe it was just simply that it was LGW and not LHR.
 
If I remember correctly the BA City flyer was going out full most of the time. I can only imagine it was the yield that wasn't performing.
 
If I remember correctly the BA City flyer was going out full most of the time. I can only imagine it was the yield that wasn't performing.

From LBA? BA cityflyer never served LBA - although they have now started to do some interesting routes from the regions direct in to Europe from MAN/EDI/BRS/BHX. Do you mean BE?
 
From LBA? BA cityflyer never served LBA - although they have now started to do some interesting routes from the regions direct in to Europe from MAN/EDI/BRS/BHX. Do you mean BE?
Yes City Flyer Express from LBA to London Gatwick with BA livery and codes.
 
Was it not BA cityflyer to LGW in the late 1990,s we flew in1997 with them LBA-LGW-MCO
 
I've no doubt LBASpotter or White Heather will know the dates. If fact I'm sure we have a couple of photos in the Yeadon gallery.
 
CityFlyer Express was absorbed into BA's Gatwick operation in 2002. At the time they operated RJ100's and ATR72's; earlier they had flown ATR42's as well. Unfortunately, CFE's main attraction was that they were the holder of around 13% of LGW's runway slots. Peak slots at LGW were already a highly-valued commodity by that time.

Runway slots at LGW have over many years been cannibalised and recycled in favour of evermore compelling services. Peak time slots held by smaller commuter types for short flights gave way to services supporting higher-capacity jet aircraft flying to more lucrative destinations. Eventually, services operated by Boeing 737's themselves gave way to more profitable replacements - often new destinations using exactly the same aircraft.

Unfortunately, a slot-restricted service does not need to be unprofitable or unsuccessful to face the axe. There simply has to be a more compelling service proposal bidding for use of that same scarce slot. The best business proposition will win. We can point to a flight and claim that it was always well-used and profitable. But it will still make way if the replacement slot-holder is more lucrative for the airline. Both LHR and LGW have lost considerable domestic connectivity by way of this process. And LCY today presents a similar dilemma at peak times: many more destinations could be operated profitably. But limited runway and terminal capacity means that only the strongest propositions can be physically accommodated in reality.
 
Leeds - Gatwick would be useless, the onward connections just don't exist.

Your in a dream land if you think Flybe would pick up the Leeds - Heathrow route.

1) Why would BA give up market share,
2) BA won't walk away from the business they provide now as the filling the gap,
3) WHere would Flybe get the extra Heathrow slots from??? It I'll cost them a absolute fortune.

BA have put LBA in situation, either we put up and shut up with what we got, or we lose the lot. Basically BA have played hard ball with its new deal.
 
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OMG the media strike again. The T&A are running a breaking news story that BA are cutting flights between LBA and LHR by 50%. At least it was fairly factual, just slightly behind the times.
 
Did they manage to get any comment from the Lba Management or even better an explanation from someone at British Airways.
 

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