Leeds Bradford: Airport Road, Rail & Access Issues

[White Heather]

This is a well worth watch.

It's video taken from the Leeds City Council Executive Board Meeting which was held (Wed, 19th Sep 2018 - 1:00 pm) and discusses the proposed Leeds Bradford Airport Transport Infrastructure Package.

https://leeds.public-i.tv/core/portal/webcast_interactive/373574

The report can be found here:
https://democracy.leeds.gov.uk/mgConvert2PDF.aspx?ID=180540

Thanks LBAspotter. The report says pretty much what I reported above, which is a relief. I can't find any video to watch though ? I just get the report whichever link I open. It is just me??

 

[lbaspotter]

Thanks LBAspotter. The report says pretty much what I reported above, which is a relief. I can't find any video to watch though ? I just get the report whichever link I open. It is just me??

Sorry about that, Try this one.
https://leeds.public-i.tv/core/portal/webcast_interactive/373574
On the right hand side scroll down the agenda to Item 14, then press watch.

 

[White Heather]

Sorry about that, Try this one.
https://leeds.public-i.tv/core/portal/webcast_interactive/373574
On the right hand side scroll down the agenda to Item 14, then press watch.

Thanks lbaspotter, just watched it now and very interesting. Good to see that in general, the council are positive about the terminal proposals and although I understand their concerns about consultation (with regard to access strategy), again, they seem keen to move things forwards. It is such a shame our council were not so forward thinking with regard to LBA back in the 70s through to the 90s!

 

[Bigman]

One thing is for certain, they need to be well prepared for 29/9/19 when the World Cycling Elite Men's race kicks off from Leeds.

 

[White Heather]

One thing is for certain, they need to be well prepared for 29/9/19 when the World Cycling Elite Men's race kicks off from Leeds.

Indeed Bigman, and not to mention the fact that we are told that when the electrification of the Trans Pennine route is undertaken, there will be major disruption for 4 years, to the line linking over here to MAN. Whether or not they find a diversionary route to get there, it will, without doubt, make getting to MAN much more troublesome than it already is. Hopefully by then, LBA will be better placed to take advantage of the situation.

 

[LsS27]

Far too many!

 

[Len Fish]

Looks like both Keighley Bus Company (62) and Yorkshire Tiger (757) are making some changes to there airport bus services as from October 28th..

PB1078487/77 Registered
YORKSHIRE TIGER LIMITED
Route: Leeds to Lds Bfd Airport
Service number: 757 (757)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 28 Oct 2018

PB0001748/11 Registered
KEIGHLEY & DISTRICT TRAVEL LTD
Route: Keighley Bus Station to Leeds Bradford Airport
Service number: 62
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 28 Oct 2018

757- the weekday services at 0005 from the airport and 0039 from Leeds are retimed to run 10 minutes later.

 

[lbaspotter]

Oh I've only just noticed that Leeds City Council give planning consent for the proposed RED ROUTES around LBA way back in March.

Source: https://democracy.leeds.gov.uk/mgDecisionDetails.aspx?IId=94331&Opt=1

Here's plan showing all the roads that are effected, Includes Warren House Lane, White House Lane, Victoria Avenue and the A658 (Under the tunnel)

View attachment 10058

 

[White Heather]

Yes, my understanding it was just awaiting final sign off and was likely to be completed within the next month. And just for anyone who may be wondering, this is NOT an LBA inspired initiative, nor a means to force people into the drop off zone and pay. It has arisen due to negative reports from the CAA arising due to the numbers of vehicles parking on the approaches to LBA illegally or causing obstructions whilst dropping passengers off on the road rather than using the free drop off area or the £3 drop off zone.

 

[quik123]

Yes, my understanding it was just awaiting final sign off and was likely to be completed within the next month. And just for anyone who may be wondering, this is NOT an LBA inspired initiative, nor a means to force people into the drop off zone and pay. It has arisen due to negative reports from the CAA arising due to the numbers of vehicles parking on the approaches to LBA illegally or causing obstructions whilst dropping passengers off on the road rather than using the free drop off area or the £3 drop off zone.

Not quite true as I remember it! The red route was being muted at LBA by John Parkin's team a couple of years ago long before the more recent CAA audit. It never came to anything but to say it has arisen because of a CAA report is not correct.

 

[White Heather]

Not quite true as I remember it! The red route was being muted at LBA by John Parkin's team a couple of years ago long before the more recent CAA audit. It never came to anything but to say it has arisen because of a CAA report is not correct.

Sorry Quik123, it is you that is incorrect and I can assure you that even the previous consideration to this by Bridgepoint, arose due to complaints within CAA reports.

 

[quik123]

Sorry Quik123, it is you that is incorrect and I can assure you that even the previous consideration to this by Bridgepoint, arose due to complaints within CAA reports.

Ah well, I certainly remember the staff team briefings at that time and they never included the CAA report. Perhaps they were telling one thing to those of us who worked there and another to those that don't. We'll never know.

 

[White Heather]

Well I can only tell you what the new owners are saying and that was that this was a matter repeatedly raised by the CAA. As an example they complained about access to the fuel depot being blocked by vehicles parked on Whitehouse Lane, preventing tankers turning in or out, and they have also identified issues with emergency access. So, the CAA raise it as an issue, and pass it to LBA management and it is they that then take the matter up with Leeds City Council, which they have done. Eventually!

 

[quik123]

Does anyone think it will make any difference? From what I see you can paint lines of any colour but it won't stop folk stopping on the road unless there is some serious enforcement. I doubt very much if we'll see any change.

 

[blotbuc1]

This type of restriction is usually monitored by fixed enforcement cameras with penalty tickets automatically issued in a similar way to bus lanes with enforcement cameras. So yes it should make a difference.

 

[Aviador]

Does anyone think it will make any difference? From what I see you can paint lines of any colour but it won't stop folk stopping on the road unless there is some serious enforcement. I doubt very much if we'll see any change.

I think the council have installed CCTV cameras along Whitehouse Lane. There are definitely new cameras along the road that didn't used to be there. They could possibly be related to traffic enforcement?

 

[lbaspotter]

You only need to go to London and see how TFL enforce it, the are ANPR & CCTV cameras everywhere once you in both the Low Emmisons & Red Route zones.

 

[quik123]

I hope you're right. From where I work I can see Whitehouse Lane. I see no evidence of any new cameras. I see no evidence or plans to install cameras. I've only ever seen one enforcement officer, and then only very infrequently and only for a short time. As I said before I just don't think anything will change.

 

[White Heather]

The main difference is that if anyone stops on a red route, it is an instant offence unless the car is broken down or there is an emergency. With double yellow lines it isn't anywhere near as strict. I cannot see the council installing a red route and then doing nothing at all to enforce it.

 

[Seasider]

It will cost money to enforce it! (sorry that's the cynic in me)