In one breathe, people are here complaining that BHX are spending too much time protecting existing airlines (like Flybe) In not making a deal with the likes of EasyJet. Yet the second breathe people are complaining that BHX didn’t protect airlines like united and Air Transat enough in making a deal with Primera.
Easyjet and Primera. Mmmm..Not the best comparison you could have come up with nwoody.
Sort of confirms Brum X's previous post.
just saying
 
Berlin, Derry, Memmingen, Stockholm, Riga, Seville, Sofia, Tallinn, Gothenburg and Hamburg. All new Ryanair routes from EDI. There are also a sprinkling to the likes of BRS and LPL.

It may not suit the agendas of some but many of us are annoyed with the way things are at the moment. We're annoyed that there are so, so many key destinations still missing, we're annoyed that some of the routes available from Birmingham are astronomically priced when compared to elsewhere (see the poster above who is using EMA to Berlin for a quarter of the cost), we're annoyed that Birmingham seems to struggle to keep new airlines/routes beyond a year or two and we're annoyed about the lack of progress (2012 Orlando was identified as a key place for expansion).

To say people thrive for disappointment I think is a little unfair, most of us were very complimentary when we thought that the airport had finally turned a corner and forums such as this were a very positive place. Since then a large chunk of that work has now been undone with mass withdrawals, going back to the same old same old with the odd airline that does manage to stick around just stagnating, some of us are understandably disappointed. This is the first time in 40 years that Birmingham has no flights to Toronto! Even 12 months ago it would have been unthinkable that Birmingham had no flights to New York yet here we are!

I've banged on about a potential easyjet base simply because, to me, they look like the only proactive airline that could turn things around. If Ryanair want to step up to the plate, or Flybe, or even Jet2 break away from their business model and make BHX a special case, then it's fine by me but I cannot sit back and pretend everything is rosy.
 
Brilliantly said, Ray.

I cannot believe just how poor and resort based BHX has become. Airports should first and foremost serve the economic needs of a region bringing people and investment in and providing business to business connectivity. Tourism out boosts numbers, but does little else.

Sack the board at BHX. Bring in a CEO...bring back PK, if needs be...and start anew.

People on here saved the old terminal: now let's save our airport.
 
Comparing an airport twice the size of BHX and disappointed that compared to MAN, BHX is on par. It’s like you guys seek and strive for disappointment!

I don't think anybody on here is really suggesting that BHX and MAN are on the same level, just that MAN is able to secure new routes whilst BHX hasn't. As somebody pointed out the other day Ryanair announced 6 new routes from MAN. Now I don't think anybody on here expected Ryanair to announce as many new routes from BHX, but many are frustrated that we didn't really get anything. No new routes and were there any increases on existing routes?
 
The problem with that is that I imagine Primera sold BHX the idea that they would serve multiple N.American destinations - something that United & Air Transat wouldn't. Pretty sure that any airport would back an airline that serves multiple destinations over an airline that serves just one with not much chance of launching any others.

I’m not 100% convinced UA, AA and TS pulling out was because of Primera - TS was already on life support, AA had drastically cut their JFK hub and continue to do so while UA had started cutting their regional U.K. routes. BHX might took a gamble on Primera knowing that these airlines were already on their way out and felt they had nothing to loose. It’s just a shame Icelandair pulled out the same time as I feel they were the ones to probably lose out. I don’t think it’s a coincidence these airlines went after a TCX launched transatlantic flights up the M6 offering cheaper fares and a better product than what UA and AA were.
 
I’m not 100% convinced UA, AA and TS pulling out was because of Primera - TS was already on life support, AA had drastically cut their JFK hub and continue to do so while UA had started cutting their regional U.K. routes. BHX might took a gamble on Primera knowing that these airlines were already on their way out and felt they had nothing to loose. It’s just a shame Icelandair pulled out the same time as I feel they were the ones to probably lose out. I don’t think it’s a coincidence these airlines went after a TCX launched transatlantic flights up the M6 offering cheaper fares and a better product than what UA and AA were.
The US airlines are over leveraged and the inevitable economic downturn that lies ahead is driving back demand. They will pick safe havens and emerging markets where previously un-served citizens will swoop with unrivalled enthusiasm to buy tickets only for the airlines to pull the plug a couple of years' later after they have run out of premium passengers.

Indian Sub Continent......two way traffic.
 
With airlines like United and AA and Ryanair airports like BHX will have a lot of competition to attract them, keep them and to get them to expand. With the US airlines it's not just internal US destinations but Latin and South America and the Caribbean that BHX is up against and with the likes of Ryanair it's airports all over Europe not just ones close to home.
 
I am looking at booking NYC for next February half term and I'm a little gutted I can't get a flight direct from BHX. That said, I'm seeing the bright side - I'll be connecting via another airport, which gives me ample opportunity to do a little spotting

I've been looking around and Aer Lingus seem very competitively priced, they also have the huge advantage of US pre clearance :)
 
The problem with that is that I imagine Primera sold BHX the idea that they would serve multiple N.American destinations

I don't believe airports accept or declines new routes on the basis of what an airline is proposing to do. If there is any variation from the airports published landing and service changes it is usually provisionally based on how many passengers they can get through the terminal doors and service delivery.

Another airline that seem to be constantly 'in talks'

You're not wrong there. Airports are constantly talking to airlines but talks don't always lead to new services.

Problem was BHX did not seem to bother doing due diligence.before p*****g off the airlines already operating.

I don't agree with you there. You make it sound like airports cherry pick airlines to serve from their airport. That most definitely isn't what happens.

This is basically how a new route or airline basing materialises.

Airport approaches airline and says "this is our airport, these are our facilities and this is the region we serve."

If an airline is interested the airline responds to the airport with "this is our airline, these are the routes we want to serve, what can you do for us?"

Airports don't then say "we only want you to serve X and Y but not Z."

However as there isnt any "Route Development" i think that it the reason why we are having a winge. We are not doing it for the sake of it, this is the reality. There is nothing going on at BHX at present so you might have a long wait nwoody2001.

Everybody here wants to see their local airport do well especially when competing airports appear to be thriving. I'm beginning to sound like a broken record as I've said this before but the idea that we should all just agree with one another and not offer contrasting opinions is ridiculous. This is a forum after all.

Loads of Ryanair expansion for W18/19 announced today, BHX not listed once, not even once.
To say people thrive for disappointment I think is a little unfair,

I agree. We all just have contrasting opinions on how the airport should move forward.

Airports should first and foremost serve the economic needs of a region bringing people and investment in and providing business to business connectivity.

Everybody knows Ryanair is like a double edged sword. Having them on-board doesn't necessarily mean BHX will flourish. I don't personally believe BHX will have been approached by Ryanair as airports don't normally turn any business away.
 
Good find. Certainly a goo sign of intent to add to the growing signs that discussions are on-going...

Hopefully their vision is based on sound grounds. be good to be part of such a network!
 
Although it is purely illustrative, its good to see Birmingham features on their illustrative 787 network map. It would suggest that Birmingham is at least on Westjet's radar. Let's hope those discussions between Westjet and BHX are going well...

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It's good to see that the source of the map is Westjet themselves, hopefully a sign of intent. The article is from last December so lets hope that talks have got closer to actually making it a reality.
 
The article is from last December so lets hope that talks have got closer to actually making it a reality.

Another point to consider is that although the article was from last December, Westjet aren't getting their first Dreamliners until 2019 Q1. Even then its only 3 out of 10, with a further 10 options, which will take a number of years to deliver. It'll be interesting to see how much they use them for expansion vs replacing aircraft such as the B767.

Also worth pointing out that as the article is from December 17, Primera would have announced Birmingham to Toronto by then and I'm not sure when Air Transat pulled out. My point is BHX was on their radar when there was competition around - now that competition is gone, hopefully BHX has moved up their list.
 

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