KLM

[LBAYORKIE]

KLM appear to have added a 4th rotation on Saturday's for winter now making the schedule x28 Weekly, great news & every little helps

Yes, good news. Still dont understand why Newcastle get 5 a day.

 

[Finger66]

4 a day all 7 days of the week is excellent news. If you want to use the don't understand why NCL gets 5 a day, then why don't we have Air France, Emirates, Loganair et al - that to me says something about NCL. Not shooting LBA down as it's doing really well and proving successful, but equally NCL clearly has something too

 

[752]

NCL having x5 daily might suggest its a better preforming route then LBA hence the extra rotation? its great news and needed in the winter months. x5 daily would be fantastic news for LBA, I'm sure LBA management are knocking at KLM's door. I must say slightly off topic both NCL & LPL seem to be doing very well in their recovery. LPL securing Lufthansa and NCL securing Aegean and several Turkish carriers.

 

[YorkshireLad]

NCL doesn't suffer as much from the MAN effect and attracts passengers from the likes of Carlisle

 

[jason1-11]

The KLM NCL link massively out performs LBA with at least 1 to 2 737-800's rostered per day. On top of that, connections are also offered by Emirates, BA, Air France, Lufthansa etc.

 

[White Heather]

The KLM NCL link massively out performs LBA with at least 1 to 2 737-800's rostered per day. On top of that, connections are also offered by Emirates, BA, Air France, Lufthansa etc.

That may be, but, if KLM were to upgrade the LBA service to a 737 at least some of the time, then it may well narrow the gap, given that loads on the E jets out of LBA are generally very good. We have never been a KLM mainline route, so it's hard to guage how LBA would compare with NCL if both airports were given the same equipment. I suspect the gap would narrow somewhat.

 

[KARFA]

That's certainly one view. The other would be KLM are correctly assessing where the demand is to maximise their yield from their assets. Occasionally airlines do know what they are doing.

 

[Dale Coalbrook]

Maybe Leeds and Newcastle are squeezing Teesside out? So many flights from both but Teesside continue to suffer cancellations and remain at a static 3 per week day?

 

[White Heather]

Maybe Leeds and Newcastle are squeezing Teesside out? So many flights from both but Teesside continue to suffer cancellations and remain at a static 3 per week day?

Considering Teesside has a relatively small catchment area that overlaps with those at LBA and NCL, it's done very well to maintain 3 per day.

 

[Severn]

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There's still plenty of room for KLM to expand at LBA if the demand is there. As @KARFA mentioned, I'm sure "the oldest airline in the world" knows what they're doing!

Looking at a week in mid-November, LBA will see 3x E175s and 1x E190 a day (weekly departing seats = 2,572). This could be up gauged to 3-4x E190s a day before LBA sees any mainline flights.

Below is the departing flights & seats KLM offer available each week for Yorkshire / North East of England:

NCL - 35x departures per week / 4,942 departing seats (13x B738 / 7x B737 / 6x E295 / 2x E190 / 7x E175)
LBA - 28x departures per week / 2,572 departing seats (9x E190 / 19x E175)
HUY - 20x departures per week / 1,760 departing seats (20x E175)
MME - 18x departures per week / 1,584 departing seats (18x E175)

KLM's partner Air France also serves NCL and has 15x weekly departures to CDG

 

[LBAYORKIE]

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There's still plenty of room for KLM to expand at LBA if the demand is there. As @KARFA mentioned, I'm sure "the oldest airline in the world" knows what they're doing!

Looking at a week in mid-November, LBA will see 3x E175s and 1x E190 a day (weekly departing seats = 2,572). This could be up gauged to 3-4x E190s a day before LBA sees any mainline flights.

Below is the departing flights & seats KLM offer available each week for Yorkshire / North East of England:

NCL - 35x departures per week / 4,942 departing seats (13x B738 / 7x B737 / 6x E295 / 2x E190 / 7x E175)
LBA - 28x departures per week / 2,572 departing seats (9x E190 / 19x E175)
HUY - 20x departures per week / 1,760 departing seats (20x E175)
MME - 18x departures per week / 1,584 departing seats (18x E175)

KLM's partner Air France also serves NCL and has 15x weekly departures to CDG

Nice piece of work that puts LBA into context. Roughly half the seats on offer at NCL.

 

[ls27]

I was talking to a Dutch guy on the Coastliner on Sat. He had flown KLM to Man as he said that flying to LBA was too expensive

 

[752]

interesting to see NWI has x4 daily flights on some days, great for a smaller airport

 

[Finger66]

Air Anglia, Air UK, KLM UK and now City Hopper always been great supporters of the NWI-AMS route for as long as I remember. Not a huge amount of alternative choice tbf so no surprise it does well

 

[Jerry]

I was talking to a Dutch guy on the Coastliner on Sat. He had flown KLM to Man as he said that flying to LBA was too expensive

Yep it is, although I've flown Easyjet from Manchester, the KLM flights from Manchester were more expensive than the ones from Leeds Bradford. I guess it's down to capacity as offered as MAN gets 737 flights mostly.

 

[752]

Be good to get AMS on the route to bring down prices and offer point to point

 

[Finger66]

Presume that was meant to say easyJet on the route?

 

[752]

apologies yes EZY

 

[AirBingley]

Just returned BER - AMS - LBA (Come on Jet2 - bring it back year round!) - experience at BER was much slicker than 2 years ago were queues and missed flights were the norm - flight ex BDER overbooked. AMS was busy in the Schengen area and sadly they've not quite got the passport resourcing right with the Non EU border and a 50 minute wait for passport followed even with sky priority! Flight to LBA boarded 20 minutes late but literally doors closed and taxi away to a nearby runway making up all but 2 minutes of the schedule. 96 on board with cases being relatively quick. overall I like KLM but the AMS EU border does still feel bit random and fragile!

 

[LBAYORKIE]

Just returned BER - AMS - LBA (Come on Jet2 - bring it back year round!) - experience at BER was much slicker than 2 years ago were queues and missed flights were the norm - flight ex BDER overbooked. AMS was busy in the Schengen area and sadly they've not quite got the passport resourcing right with the Non EU border and a 50 minute wait for passport followed even with sky priority! Flight to LBA boarded 20 minutes late but literally doors closed and taxi away to a nearby runway making up all but 2 minutes of the schedule. 96 on board with cases being relatively quick. overall I like KLM but the AMS EU border does still feel bit random and fragile!

Was the cost reasonable?