KLM

[Gray Ham]

It would appear the 4th daily rotation is indeed short term. No longer showing on KLM booking site after 27th Oct, including summer 24 schedule.

 

[Finger66]

Doesn't surprise me for winter. As for next summer not sure even KLM have their schedules finalised

 

[White Heather]

It would appear the 4th daily rotation is indeed short term. No longer showing on KLM booking site after 27th Oct, including summer 24 schedule.

That will be because the Courts in Holland have approved the Dutch Governments desire to restrict movements at AMS by 12%, ban private jets, and introduce a night closure. This commences at the end if this year and in to 2024. KLM/Air France have already said that they will have to change their strategy to maintain their market share, which very much sounds like a promise to shift some ops out of AMS and in to CDG.

Let's hope such a shift brings about an Air France presence out of Leeds to compensate for the loss of capacity on the AMS route.

 

[Aviador]

I wouldn't hold your breath on a KLM move to CDG as the French are becoming equally anti aircraft and have only recently banned domestic flying.

 

[White Heather]

I wouldn't hold your breath on a KLM move to CDG as the French are becoming equally anti aircraft and have only recently banned domestic flying.

I'm talking about an Air France route to LBA, not KLM moving from AMS to CDG

 

[Finger66]

Banning domestic flying is one thing when there is a good domestic rail service which France has. However internationally, and from the north of the UK, Eurostar doesn’t really come into play as a sensible alternative. Back to KLM though, what they will have to decide is whether to continue to feed from most UK regionals or concentrate on the better performers and that is where I would expect LBA to be perfectly safe. It could be somewhere like MME and HUY that suffer. All pure speculation at this point though

 

[Jerry]

It could be somewhere like MME and HUY that suffer

Depends on the profitability of the individual routes but I'm sure the case could be argued for using bigger aircraft with more seats at bigger airports and downsize regionals like LBA. I wouldn't just assume LBA is safe.

 

[White Heather]

Depends on the profitability of the individual routes but I'm sure the case could be argued for using bigger aircraft with more seats at bigger airports and downsize regionals like LBA. I wouldn't just assume LBA is safe.

But equally they could increase aircraft size at Regionals like LBA with maybe one flight less. Remember these feeder services are crucial in filling their long haul flights. It's their entire business model. If the stop feeder services, people wil find alternatives avoiding AMS.

 

[gulftraveller]

Agreed but it presupposes they have the aircraft to do that.

 

[dmrodgers]

No reason why KLM couldn’t open a base, cost permitting, and move some long haul operations to Eindhoven, the second biggest airport in the Nederland with 6.2m passengers and a 9842ft runway to ease restrictions and movements at Schiphol. Easy to get to linked on the Dutch motorway network and could make a useful route for them out of LBA as Ryanair have a success operation out of Edinburgh, Stansted, Manchester to the airport.

 

[Finger66]

Depends on the profitability of the individual routes but I'm sure the case could be argued for using bigger aircraft with more seats at bigger airports and downsize regionals like LBA. I wouldn't just assume LBA is safe.

Exactly why I ended my post with the words "all pure speculation at this point though"

 

[Len Fish]

No reason why KLM couldn’t open a base, cost permitting, and move some long haul operations to Eindhoven, the second biggest airport in the Nederland with 6.2m passengers and a 9842ft runway to ease restrictions and movements at Schiphol. Easy to get to linked on the Dutch motorway network and could make a useful route for them out of LBA as Ryanair have a success operation out of Edinburgh, Stansted, Manchester to the airport.

The Royal Schiphol Group which owns Amsterdam airport and whose majority shareholder is the Dutch Government has a majority stake in Eindhoven airport so the same restrictions could well apply there if KLM attempt to transfer part of their operations.

 

[HX3]

I think the ultimate plan is for charter and holiday traffic to eventually move to Lelystad, which is owned by the Schiphol group and in the process of being developed. There is more space in Flevoland, but within easy reach of Amsterdam.

 

[CM.]

This Wednesdays mid morning flight is showing as being operated by an E195-E2 along with visits by the German Airways E190 soon (25th July, 9th and 24th August)

 

[lbaspotter]

It would appear the 4th daily rotation is indeed short term. No longer showing on KLM booking site after 27th Oct, including summer 24 schedule.

KLM website is now showing Leeds/Bradford to Amsterdam operating 4x daily Monday to Friday, Sunday & 3x daily Saturday (27x weekly) for the whole of winter 2023/24.

Timetable as follows.
Mondays
--------------------------------------- / KLM1540 = LBA 06:10 - AMS 08:30 = E190
KLM1545 = AMS 09:25 - LBA 09:30 / KLM1542 = LBA 10:00 - AMS 12:15 = E190
KLM1547 = AMS 13:10 - LBA 13:20 / KLM1548 = LBA 13:50 - AMS 16:10 = E175
KLM1549 = AMS 16:35 - LBA 16:45 / KLM1550 = LBA 17:15 - AMS 19:35 = E190
KLM1551 = AMS 22:40 - LBA 22:50 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190
Tuesdays
--------------------------------------- / KLM1540 = LBA 06:10 - AMS 08:30 = E190
KLM1545 = AMS 09:25 - LBA 09:30 / KLM1542 = LBA 10:00 - AMS 12:15 = E175
KLM1547 = AMS 13:10 - LBA 13:20 / KLM1548 = LBA 13:50 - AMS 16:10 = E175
KLM1549 = AMS 16:35 - LBA 16:45 / KLM1550 = LBA 17:15 - AMS 19:35 = E190
KLM1551 = AMS 22:40 - LBA 22:50 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190
Wednesdays
--------------------------------------- / KLM1540 = LBA 06:10 - AMS 08:30 = E190
KLM1545 = AMS 09:25 - LBA 09:30 / KLM1542 = LBA 10:00 - AMS 12:15 = E190
KLM1547 = AMS 13:10 - LBA 13:20 / KLM1548 = LBA 13:50 - AMS 16:10 = E175
KLM1549 = AMS 16:35 - LBA 16:45 / KLM1550 = LBA 17:15 - AMS 19:35 = E190
KLM1551 = AMS 22:40 - LBA 22:50 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190
Thursdays
--------------------------------------- / KLM1540 = LBA 06:10 - AMS 08:30 = E190
KLM1545 = AMS 09:25 - LBA 09:30 / KLM1542 = LBA 10:00 - AMS 12:15 = E190
KLM1547 = AMS 13:10 - LBA 13:20 / KLM1548 = LBA 13:50 - AMS 16:10 = E175
KLM1549 = AMS 16:35 - LBA 16:45 / KLM1550 = LBA 17:15 - AMS 19:35 = E190
KLM1551 = AMS 22:40 - LBA 22:50 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190
Fridays
--------------------------------------- / KLM1540 = LBA 06:10 - AMS 08:30 = E190
KLM1545 = AMS 09:25 - LBA 09:30 / KLM1542 = LBA 10:00 - AMS 12:15 = E190
KLM1547 = AMS 13:10 - LBA 13:20 / KLM1548 = LBA 13:50 - AMS 16:10 = E175
KLM1549 = AMS 16:35 - LBA 16:45 / KLM1550 = LBA 17:15 - AMS 19:35 = E190
KLM1551 = AMS 22:40 - LBA 22:50 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190
Saturdays
--------------------------------------- / KLM1540 = LBA 06:10 - AMS 08:30 = E190
KLM1545 = AMS 09:25 - LBA 09:30 / KLM1542 = LBA 10:00 - AMS 12:15 = E190
KLM1547 = AMS 13:10 - LBA 13:20 / KLM1548 = LBA 13:50 - AMS 16:10 = E175
KLM1551 = AMS 22:40 - LBA 22:50 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190
Sundays
--------------------------------------- / KLM1540 = LBA 06:10 - AMS 08:30 = E190
KLM1545 = AMS 09:25 - LBA 09:30 / KLM1542 = LBA 10:00 - AMS 12:15 = E190
KLM1547 = AMS 13:10 - LBA 13:20 / KLM1548 = LBA 13:50 - AMS 16:10 = E175
KLM1549 = AMS 16:35 - LBA 16:45 / KLM1550 = LBA 17:15 - AMS 19:35 = E190
KLM1551 = AMS 22:40 - LBA 22:50 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190

 

[LBAYORKIE]

KLM have announced 5 flights a day NCL-AMS from end of October. I wonder if there's a similar announcement pending for LBA?

 

[CM.]

Looks like an E195-E2 is on tomorrow nights nightstopper.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

Looks like an E195-E2 is on tomorrow nights nightstopper.

Shame its not an E2 every night. As an 'exempt' aircraft it would reduce the quota count.

 

[Len Fish]

I’ve a feeling that counting the new, quieter aircraft as exempt from the quota count is another long, hard, battle that LBA will face.

 

[752]

KLM appear to have added a 4th rotation on Saturday's for winter now making the schedule x28 Weekly, great news & every little helps