TUI Airways

[LBAYORKIE]

I don't blame them taking Sun express. Nor do I blame Sun express for actually getting that deal. Good for both parties even if it's only 50 or so seats on the AYT rotations. There is no reason, Turkey, with TUI cannot do well out of LBA on its own metal.

I am disappointed, I was expecting tui/freebird and Sun express on these routes.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

I don't blame them taking Sun express. Nor do I blame Sun express for actually getting that deal. Good for both parties even if it's only 50 or so seats on the AYT rotations. There is no reason, Turkey, with TUI cannot do well out of LBA on its own metal.

If Tui are taking only some of the seats on Sun Express as opposed to dedicating a whole Freebird aircraft doesnt that mean they are offering less holidays and therefore their commitment to Leeds is diminishing?

 

[Finger66]

Depends how many of the seats they are taking and this could now be split over 3 flights rather than two, but yes suspect Antalya capacity for TUI has reduced a little bit overall

 

[lbaspotter]

Today's TOM3618/3619 PMI-LBA-PMI is operating to/from Manchester

 

[LBA4EVER]

Today's TOM3618/3619 PMI-LBA-PMI is operating to/from Manchester

Delays at MAN now due to 23R requiring repairs, bet they wished they'd used LBA now haha

 

[EX9]

If you are a member of the Leeds Bradford Airport LBA-EGNM Group on Facebook someone has posted images of the wheel well and engine.

Its a closed group so I wont post them here.

 

[lbaspotter]

G-TAWD Is in a very sorry state and she's not going anywhere soon.
Understand AAIB are due back on site tomorrow.


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[paully]

My son, who is a ground engineer, says that at least one of the engines will have to be swapped out in situ, as no one can see what sort of FOD has penetrated behind the turbine blades, and plenty in front of it..Lots of other work to do so may be at LBA for a while. Sad state indeed.

 

[LBA4EVER]

My son, who is a ground engineer, says that at least one of the engines will have to be swapped out in situ, as no one can see what sort of FOD has penetrated behind the turbine blades, and plenty in front of it..Lots of other work to do so may be at LBA for a while. Sad state indeed.

Not the best end to the tui summer season at LBA!

 

[Aviador]

It was nice to see a TUI movement again today after last weeks debacle . Was todays movement the first since last week as I notice one was operating from Manchester over the weekend?

 

[White Heather]

It was nice to see a TUI movement again today after last weeks debacle . Was todays movement the first since last week as I notice one was operating from Manchester over the weekend?

Think so, yes. The one due Saturday lunchtime from Palma went to MAN as although the terminal had reopened around 12.30 the runway wasn't opened until later, around 1403. Had it been, the first inbound scheduled would have been another TUi 737 800.

 

[Finger66]

I did have a new acronym for TUI but even I decided this was such a serious situation that it was definitely the wrong time for humour. We know they haven't been the biggest supporters of LBA but I, like everyone, am so glad there were no injuries - or more serious. And in TUI's total defence they didn't try to divert in what we're appalling conditions. They are now left with an aircraft out of use for however long so I hope no lasting damage is done all round. I am sure this will all become yesterday's news before much longer - if indeed it hasn't already

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

If as we all seem to think, the aircraft was aquaplaning, and the captain thought they was going to go off the end of the runway, I think the right decision was what happened and a good call by the captain.

Ultimately we won't know until the AAIB report is out - and I'm not sure how long it is before they release a provisional report. I suspect that they'll be getting into a 737 simulator and replicating all the conditions etc.

As for the damage - one suspects that's they need two new engines for the Jet and probably require hanger space to perform the engine changes. I would also suspect a lot of further investigations will need to happen regarding other areas of the aircraft. If you add in the weather is not most favourable now I suspect the aircraft to be stuck in LBA for the foreseeable - probably won't leave till 24.

 

[Aviador]

As you have already said, at this stage we should probably just wait for the AAIB report as there is no point in speculating further.

A point I would like to make though is in the Concorde era LBA used to use snow clearing machinery to clear surface water off the runway. I'm not exactly sure how it worked but steam could be seen billowing up from the runway.

It makes me wonder if LBA might need to invest in something similar now to reassure airlines during heavy rain conditions especially if aquaplaning is found to be the cause or a contributory factor.

 

[White Heather]

If as we all seem to think, the aircraft was aquaplaning, and the captain thought they was going to go off the end of the runway, I think the right decision was what happened and a good call by the captain.

Ultimately we won't know until the AAIB report is out - and I'm not sure how long it is before they release a provisional report. I suspect that they'll be getting into a 737 simulator and replicating all the conditions etc.

As for the damage - one suspects that's they need two new engines for the Jet and probably require hanger space to perform the engine changes. I would also suspect a lot of further investigations will need to happen regarding other areas of the aircraft. If you add in the weather is not most favourable now I suspect the aircraft to be stuck in LBA for the foreseeable - probably won't leave till 24.

I can't see how the captain would think he wasn't going to stop before the end of the runway, even if it was aquaplaning, as the point it went off is still some considerable distance from the runway end and I've seen suggestions it wasn't going so fast. The fact it didn't go far into the grass would suggest that to be the case too, but there was plenty of concrete left for any aquaplaning to end and for the plane to stop.

IF, it was an aquaplane, I would not think the crew took the decision to go off the runway. More likely is that it went off because the crew were unable to control it's direction or slow the aircraft down as quickly as normal - which is the norm in any aquaplane surely?

You have wonder though why this TUi would aquaplane when two 737 800s that landed just before it, didn't, in similar conditions, which admittedly were very wet indeed.

We can speculate all day but nobody really knows what happened yet, except the crew, and they'll be saying nothing. We will just have to await the AAIB report. No doubt the 737 will mend, and be insured, and the most important thing is nobody was hurt .

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

It makes me wonder if LBA might need to invest in something similar now to reassure airlines during heavy rain conditions especially if aquaplaning is found to be the cause or a contributory factor.

I know they have run offs which come off by the 30 minute free parking point mid way down White House lane.

I would think some recommendations may come from the AAIB report to the airport it's self.

 

[White Heather]

I'm fairly sure that the winter overnight runway works have included replacing damaged concrete sections, and presumably these are newly grooved to maximise run off. They were also clearing out blocked drainage systems to ensure this sort of thing didn't happen. I understand more of the same will be happening this winter too .

We can be sure that if the AAIB think aquaplaning was involved, they'll be looking at the runway and discussing options with the airport, but let's not forget this runway has been here since 1965 and whilst there were a few such incidents prior to it's extension in 1974, ,
( understandable perhaps given how hard aircraft had to brake on a short runway) , there have been few, if any such events in the last 39 years . If anything, you'd expect a tarmacadam surface to be more problematic than a runway made up if thousands of individual grooved blocks each with its own little drainage system.

 

[LBA4EVER]

I thought we were not aloud to talk about what might of happened to the tui 737 last friday as i myself was told off by certain members on here! Apparently im an armchair pilot!, so I've kept quiet!

I thought we were not aloud to talk about what might of happened to the tui 737 last friday as i myself was told off by certain members on here! Apparently im an armchair pilot!, so I've kept quiet!

thought we were not aloud to talk about what might of happened to the tui 737 last friday as i myself was told off by certain members on here! Apparently im an armchair pilot!, so I've kept quiet upto now!
But now some given their take on what might of caused the incident this is mine.
When you look at the FR24 data (will admit its not 100%) you can see that from just after the multiflight taxiway the tui plane is on a straight diagonal line to the left away from the centreline of the runway, it does this all the way covering nearly a quarter the length of the runway and onto the grass. in my opinion id say there is no way it would travel all that distance in a straight diagonal line of to the left aquaplaning, looks to be about 500metres or so.
Its also very interesting how the plane left the runway on the left side yet based on the wind direction that day surely there would of been a higher chance of it been blown off to the right! Imagine where it would of ended up had it landed 32 and the same happened, probably on harrogate road!
So in my opinion im betting it could potentially be pilot error or technical fault, together with the awful weather that day it was a disaster waiting to happen, like others have pointed out we have many 737 800s and maxs land in weather like last friday.

 

[Aviador]

"A disaster waiting to happen" seems a bit much @LBA4EVER but you make some interesting points about the wind which I have read elsewhere.
I watched the FR24 footage live and the aircraft appeared to be at a relatively low speed when the incident happened. TUI said in their press release the aircraft had gone off the runway while trying to exit onto the taxiway. TUI will have spoke with the pilot prior to this press release being made public. This leads me to believe that at the time the pilot considered the aircraft to be at a safe speed to exit the runway something then occurred to cause the aircraft to leave the runway. This could have been caused by any number of things, aquaplaning being one of them along with numerous other things that could have caused the incident.

 

[Kevin Farnell]

A point I would like to make though is in the Concorde era LBA used to use snow clearing machinery to clear surface water off the runway. I'm not exactly sure how it worked but steam could be seen billowing up from the runway.

I read somewhere, that LHR had heated runways. I don't know if this is what was in use at LBA, but it was prohibitively expensive to use.