Route Development & Rumours

[gulftraveller]

Not sure I get the Ashghabat reference. Turkmenistan do not fly to ISB (nor to BHX). There is practically no demand UK to Ashghabat itself (it is, essentially, a closed country). When Turkmenistan offered BHX, it was to connect to ATQ but that has now been cancelled as well.

 

[Birmingham Aviation]

Any updates on PIA coming back to bhx?

 

[gulftraveller]

Any updates on PIA coming back to bhx?

I think it is quite possible that we will never see them back. They failed their latest EASA audit. They also do not have nearly enough active aircraft to cover the proposed routes to CDG, LHR and MAN. Pakistan needs a new flag carrier.

 

[Ianbutty]

I think it is quite possible that we will never see them back. They failed their latest EASA audit. They also do not have nearly enough active aircraft to cover the proposed routes to CDG, LHR and MAN. Pakistan needs a new flag carrier.

Huge number of people from Pakistan who live in the UK and what we need is an airline that will get them there and back that is based on the UK. If only we had a new national carrier who behaved like a national carrier...

 

[KARFA]

Huge number of people from Pakistan who live in the UK and what we need is an airline that will get them there and back that is based on the UK. If only we had a new national carrier who behaved like a national carrier...

unless you would like the government to subsidise a national carrier using your tax money, the UK based airlines will fly where it is most profitable for them to go - that does actually include India but clearly not Pakistan. If the demands and yields were good for Pakistan, airlines would serve the routes.

 

[Birmingham Aviation]

Rumours on pprune suggesting sky express could operate from multiple Uk airports from Greece next year including Athens ,Heraklion and so on within the next two years.

Credit to them

 

[TM3]

unless you would like the government to subsidise a national carrier using your tax money, the UK based airlines will fly where it is most profitable for them to go - that does actually include India but clearly not Pakistan. If the demands and yields were good for Pakistan, airlines would serve the routes.

What makes you say Birmingham to Pakistan would not make a profit? It does for connecting flights on Emirates and Qatar.

 

[rollo]

I think the point being made was airlines will fly the most profitable routes and Pakistan isn't one of them without some sort of subsidy.
Whether that is true or not I don't know but for the likes of Emirates and Qatar the Indian sub continent is just part of their hub operations and not the be all unlike the like of PIA Who again have failed to obtain approval to operate to Europe

 

[TM3]

Subsidies are a remedy for weak demand but Ian Butty's point is that it is a supply side problem. There is demand from the Midlands but there is lack of UK based airlines willing to supply it.

 

[Birmingham Aviation]

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My predictions for 2025
You might think oh he’s here again writing rubbish but I’m pretty some of these listed will happen.

Just to Note
PIA depending on EASA

 

[Scania1800]

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My predictions for 2025
You might think oh he’s here again writing rubbish but I’m pretty some of these listed will happen.

Just to Note
PIA depending on EASA

I’m pretty sure your antmc, but Turkmenistan is not happening again for a very long time, and Saudia isn’t going 5 weekly

 

[gulftraveller]

Turkmenistan will not restart as they no longer serve Amritsar. Their 757s have been parked up for some time. As for PIA, even if they get EASA approval (I believe the next review will not be for a considerable time), they do not have enough aircraft in service for their proposed schedule. BHX is not top of their list of intended destinations.

 

[rollo]

Easyjet to Belfast 21 weekly!

They are already running at 28/29 flights per week today shows six.

 

[Birmingham Aviation]

I’ve heard a rumour Turkmenistan are back next year that’s all.

 

[IanFarquharson]

I’ve heard a rumour Turkmenistan are back next year that’s all.

Unless they restart ASB-ATQ then no point in coming back to BHX

 

[Birmingham Aviation]

Obviously PIA are looking to re enter the market however it depends on EASA regulations so yeah.
Wonder what the airport’s expectations are for next summer?

 

[IanFarquharson]

Obviously PIA are looking to re enter the market however it depends on EASA regulations so yeah.
Wonder what the airport’s expectations are for next summer?

PIA have a lack of long haul aircraft so would priortise LHR, CDG & MAN ahead of BHX

 

[Birmingham Aviation]

PIA have a lack of long haul aircraft so would priortise LHR, CDG & MAN ahead of BHX

What’s ur view on the rest of my predictions

 

[IanFarquharson]

What’s ur view on the rest of my predictions

It would be nice to get Cathay we know BHX are in talks with them and Finnair.

There is a potential new route to a new destination by a new new carrier to the UK maybe on the horizon - watch this space

 

[Brum X]

I think Ethiopian will be a contender in a couple of years. I think this route would do well at 3 weekly to start with ?