Future Infrastructure Developments

[Len Fish]

And the rest of the World? Can’t help feeling we’re going to end up making ourselves more and more uncompetitive in World markets because of the cost of all this whilst the likes of China quietly chuckle to themselves. As for aviation looks like they’re trying to make it the preserve of the more wealthy passenger, just as road use with prohibitively expensive electric vehicles. Boris has already said he expects us to walk and cycle more, the control is getting worse.

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

That is the aim. Remove it from the working man and into the high echelons the rich. What they fail to realise is that aviation helps majority of other industries through their continuous research and developments. Genuinely feels like we are living in a corrupt African/Middle Eastern country.

As for Electric cars the infrastructure can be put in place however we don't have the desire to do so. For example I know someone who works for the NHS. They can purchase a electric car and be given a car parking spot instantly at a cost of £10 a month (Waiting list for a spot is around 2.5 years and comes at a considerable more cost in comparison). So whilst they are working they charge the car. It is quite simple and clearly can be done. We just don't have anyone with the foresight and conviction to sort this out. Still as I say the question comes back to replacing the batteries and how they decompose. We'll soon figure out that that causes more problems then carbon. But hey as long as the environmental communists get their way who cares.

 

[tonysmith]

In parts of Yorkshire there’s plenty of rows of back to back houses, with nose to tail parking I’d like to see how they are going to charge their cars

 

[Heathrowflyer]

This is what various news websites are predicting. WH correct in terms of Jenrick, terminal development and LBA capacity...

Target - Stop expanding UK airport capacity and impose a frequent flyer levy with the aim of reducing the number of flights by 15%

Impact - The average Briton currently takes 10 foreign holidays every five years, which would need to reduce to around 8. This is the equivalent of around three foreign holidays every two years.

 

[ls27]

How right Sherburnflyer92 is. It is the aim of the New World Order/ Deep State. This will disappear before too long.

 

[White Heather]

In parts of Yorkshire there’s plenty of rows of back to back houses, with nose to tail parking I’d like to see how they are going to charge their cars

Most of London is like that and other cities. How do they charge up? Road mounted charging points that you pay for? One outside every house? Can't see that. No guarantee of being able to park outside your house in these places so home charging will be a non starter for many. I really don't see how electric cars will work other than for those who have private driveways and/or garages..

To be hoped too that people don't need the car in an emergency due to an accident or whatever, when it's just started charging so is useless. And how will the emergency services ensure they always have vehicles available that are fully charged? They will probably have to buy more of them so there are always charged vehicles available. All additional expense.

Personally I think it's total c**p. Hybrids yes, full electric, no.

 

[Aviador]

But to repeat what we've been saying all along, aviation accounts for such a small contribution to global co2 totals, even here in the UK where the aviation sector is mature our total contribution is still small. In focusing on aviation it will have little if any effect on reducing co2 levels globally.

 

[Coathanger16]

How many people have a personal petrol station at home? Hands up

A change of thinking is needed for electric cars.

If you have driveway space at home then you can charge it there. Otherwise, with appropriate infrastructure, everyone else can charge their's at work, at the shops, etc. Yes the electricity rates at a public charger will probably be higher than at home, but those with driveways will have paid more for their properties than those without driveways.

We have a national infrastructure network for fuelling diesel/petrol cars - the same is needed for electric cars.

 

[airforced]

Current thinking re electric isn't thought through. Now that is a surprise isn't it! Jusst the same applies to the latest pronouncement re 2035 carbon emissions. There really must be a re-think in Westminster if we aren't to become the laughing stock of Europe.

 

[Aviador]

How many people have a personal petrol station at home? Hands up

A change of thinking is needed for electric cars.

If you have driveway space at home then you can charge it there. Otherwise, with appropriate infrastructure, everyone else can charge their's at work, at the shops, etc. Yes the electricity rates at a public charger will probably be higher than at home, but those with driveways will have paid more for their properties than those without driveways.

We have a national infrastructure network for fuelling diesel/petrol cars - the same is needed for electric cars.

An electric car is not the answer. The raw material used to make batteries is probably in shorter supply than oil is. It's simply more short-sightedness. Furthermore, electricity production to power car manufacturing plants to replace petrol cars earlier will further add to co2 emissions.

What is the answer?

World population in 1920 was estimated as 1.7bn, 100 year on and we're approaching 9bn. No amount of co2 reduction will save the planet when we're destroying every square mile of land there is. I'll let you draw your own conclusion there.

To highlight the problems we face here's a few local examples. Globally the problems are significant and go far beyond what I describe here.

We occasionally go walking on Otley Chevin. The woodland is hugely popular with hikers, mountain bikes and dog walkers. There are huge swathes of the woodland where the undergrowth has been damaged so much so it's hard to see how it can ever recover. In the meantime LCC is randomly planting trees in high profile locations such as around Yeadon Dam to make it look like it's doing something to protect the environment, yet it's leaving ancient woodland to be destroyed. It's bonkers what's happening. In contrast to what's happening in Leeds it's only a year or so since Sheffield council was in the media for felling hundreds of mature trees. The world has gone mad.

A while back BBC Look North ran with a story about moorland conservation. The environmentalist or conservationist featured was saying how the moorlands needed protecting for future generations to enjoy. I was baffled by the news report because if they did their research they would learn how the moorlands across the Pennines were once covered by Scots Pine forests similar to those still present in Scotland. The forests of the Pennines were cut down over hundreds of years for timber, as were most of the forests in England, so environmentalists meddling with nature once again.

Basically, where I'm going with this is we need to stop playing god. The world will take care of itself. If that is without us, then so be it. It will recover eventually and another species will have a go at becoming the dominant species. I can assure those who frequent the forum who might be young enough to see maybe another 40 years or so will not be discussing co2 by then. They'll have far bigger problems than co2 to worry about.

 

[Heathrowflyer]

Yep, said on the news. The UK has set the most ambitious climate change targets in the world ahead of the COP26 summit later in the year in Glasgow. China (and India and Japan and Russia, to name but a few) must be laughing at us. Our impact globally is miniscule, crazy decision and I'm worried about the implications for aviation in general, and LBA.

 

[Heathrowflyer]

Prime minister insists he is ‘not opposed to aviation’ | Travel Weekly

Johnson says he has confidence in UK sector to pioneer low-carbon approach

travelweekly.co.uk

 

[White Heather]

Prime minister insists he is ‘not opposed to aviation’ | Travel Weekly

Johnson says he has confidence in UK sector to pioneer low-carbon approach

travelweekly.co.uk

Exactly - aviation will sort out it's emissions if given targets and time - and investment. Curtailing airport developments like LBA is a typically short sighted knee jerk reaction . Kill aviation and the funding for research will dry up. New ways to reduce emissions are already in the horizon, and not necessarily relying on electric planes either.

 

[kevinbev]

I will find it interesting to see what happens when there is an incident on the motorway where it ends up with us sat in our electric cars for a couple of hours especially in the winter. Imagine hundreds of cars sat on the M1 not going anywhere soon but need to keep the lights on and the inside of the car warm. The AA and the others would not be able to cope. Could end up with a mass casualty situation where everyone has become hypothermic. Then how do they get all the electric cars off the motorway as there batteries are flat and no charging points around. It won't work. Always have found that Leeds including LBA have always struggled with getting anything done quickly which in turn effects attracting businesses to the city. A lot is down to the council as well. Look what happened to the super tram. A small minority of people want to make it there job to try and stop any development just because they can and don't consider the majority.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

So what happens next. Presume we are waiting for the SoS to do something.

 

[Aviador]

I will find it interesting to see what happens when there is an incident on the motorway where it ends up with us sat in our electric cars for a couple of hours especially in the winter. Imagine hundreds of cars sat on the M1 not going anywhere soon but need to keep the lights on and the inside of the car warm. The AA and the others would not be able to cope. Could end up with a mass casualty situation where everyone has become hypothermic. Then how do they get all the electric cars off the motorway as there batteries are flat and no charging points around. It won't work. Always have found that Leeds including LBA have always struggled with getting anything done quickly which in turn effects attracting businesses to the city. A lot is down to the council as well. Look what happened to the super tram. A small minority of people want to make it there job to try and stop any development just because they can and don't consider the majority.

Do you call a mechanic or an electrician?

 

[rollo]

An elechanic is what you need.

 

[Heathrowflyer]

Just watching another environmental story on Look North about a new sustainable housing development which have been built in the city centre....no need to worry about electric cars ...the residents don't have cars!!!! I've had to turn over

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

Party who have put Candidates forward for election at the Adel & Wharfdale Ward (I presume airport falls under it) are:

Conservatives
Labour
Liberal Democrats
Green Party.

That is it. No independent, No Yorkshire party. No nothing.

 

[Aviador]

Party who have put Candidates forward for election at the Adel & Wharfdale Ward (I presume airport falls under it) are:

Conservatives
Labour
Liberal Democrats
Green Party.

That is it. No independent, No Yorkshire party. No nothing.

Did you catch my post on the election thread? Its worth doing some research about the individual candidates. Just a quick Google of their name along with LBA and you'll see if they have publicly stated their views on the airport or anything else you're concerned about.