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I've moved the last couple of posts from here to the retail thread.
I've moved the last couple of posts from here to the retail thread.
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I have found out more about the runway work today. The company carrying out the work to the runway is called 'Allied' It is understood that around 20 full paving slabs are to be completely removed and replaced. The work will take place during the nighttime over a period of around 7 weeks. The slabs are to be reset using a quick setting concrete which takes around two hours to reach the desired strength able to withstand the weight of an aircraft. On top of this work Allied will be conducting additional work to slightly damaged slabs. If the work is successful it is thought that Allied will become the main contractor to conduct future runway work.
I have found out more about the runway work today. The company carrying out the work to the runway is called 'Allied' It is understood that around 20 full paving slabs are to be completely removed and replaced. The work will take place during the nighttime over a period of around 7 weeks. The slabs are to be reset using a quick setting concrete which takes around two hours to reach the desired strength able to withstand the weight of an aircraft. On top of this work Allied will be conducting additional work to slightly damaged slabs. If the work is successful it is thought that Allied will become the main contractor to conduct future runway work.
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On another subject, the company 'Wood Mitchell' has been removing an old escalator in the passenger screening area. I would imagine the escalator will be reused in the new development because they're expensive by all accounts.
On another subject, the company 'Wood Mitchell' has been removing an old escalator in the passenger screening area. I would imagine the escalator will be reused in the new development because they're expensive by all accounts.
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To be fair, this work is going to be very different from previous years. Previous work used quick setting concrete in very small areas usually no more than around 30cm in diameter. This time full slabs will be dug out and completely replaced.
To fully resurface the runway would cost upwards of £20m. Some parts of the runway were constructed in 1984, other parts were constructed around 1966, so we have to consider that not all of the runway is in a bad condition. The saying don't mend something that isn't broken springs to mind.
I think that Bridgepoint will do whatever is necessary to keep the runway in an acceptable working condition. If they decide to continue using Allied, the runway could be completely resurfaced in stages over a period of around ten years as part of an ongoing contract one would presume.
To be fair, this work is going to be very different from previous years. Previous work used quick setting concrete in very small areas usually no more than around 30cm in diameter. This time full slabs will be dug out and completely replaced.
To fully resurface the runway would cost upwards of £20m. Some parts of the runway were constructed in 1984, other parts were constructed around 1966, so we have to consider that not all of the runway is in a bad condition. The saying don't mend something that isn't broken springs to mind.
I think that Bridgepoint will do whatever is necessary to keep the runway in an acceptable working condition. If they decide to continue using Allied, the runway could be completely resurfaced in stages over a period of around ten years as part of an ongoing contract one would presume.
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Posted on another thread: The planning decission is now expected to be made on the 16th April.
Posted on another thread: The planning decission is now expected to be made on the 16th April.
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Equipment has been delivered to Bentley's to carry out resurfacing works to the remodelled short stay carpark 1. Things are progressing well and appear ahead of schedule. I understand the carpark is scheduled to re open on or around the 7th April.
Equipment has been delivered to Bentley's to carry out resurfacing works to the remodelled short stay carpark 1. Things are progressing well and appear ahead of schedule. I understand the carpark is scheduled to re open on or around the 7th April.
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Temporary hand rails have been installed on the steps from the redeveloped carpark to the upper level. The carpark was scheduled to open today. There is still quite a lot of plant equipment in the Bentley's compound so I would hazard a guess that this area will remain cordoned off for a few more days.
Temporary hand rails have been installed on the steps from the redeveloped carpark to the upper level. The carpark was scheduled to open today. There is still quite a lot of plant equipment in the Bentley's compound so I would hazard a guess that this area will remain cordoned off for a few more days.
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Those of you who have written to support the planning application for the terminal should by now have received an e mail confirming that the planning application will indeed be decided upon on the 16th and giving you the opportunity to attend the meeting and if you wish, say your bit. If you follow the links on the Council letter, it enables you to read the council planning officers report and recommendations - all 37 pages of it. It makes a very interesting read, but I believe that the content of what is in there cannot be published on here yet - as it is confidential and does not appear on the main City Council website.
So, much as I would love to say more about what is in that report, I don't want to get into bother nor do I want to do anything that might prejudice the outcome, so it will have to wait until the final decision is published. I know others have written in though, so it can't only be myself that knows now what the recommedation is!
If you have the council letter but haven't found the report, look under the Leeds West planning committee for the 16th and all will be revealed.
Those of you who have written to support the planning application for the terminal should by now have received an e mail confirming that the planning application will indeed be decided upon on the 16th and giving you the opportunity to attend the meeting and if you wish, say your bit. If you follow the links on the Council letter, it enables you to read the council planning officers report and recommendations - all 37 pages of it. It makes a very interesting read, but I believe that the content of what is in there cannot be published on here yet - as it is confidential and does not appear on the main City Council website.
So, much as I would love to say more about what is in that report, I don't want to get into bother nor do I want to do anything that might prejudice the outcome, so it will have to wait until the final decision is published. I know others have written in though, so it can't only be myself that knows now what the recommedation is!
If you have the council letter but haven't found the report, look under the Leeds West planning committee for the 16th and all will be revealed.
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The document is freely available in the public domain and in your post you have told everyone where it is (albeit unintentionally).
It maybe prudent for one of the moderators to delete this and the preceding post to not draw attention to this fact.
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The document is freely available in the public domain and in your post you have told everyone where it is (albeit unintentionally).
It maybe prudent for one of the moderators to delete this and the preceding post to not draw attention to this fact.
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Yes, just found it myself. All publicaly available
http://democracy.leeds.gov.uk/mgConvert ... x?ID=28866
The conclusion is encouraging. The planning committee are recommending that the plans are approved providing the airport company accept a committment to make financial contributions to transport monitoring and improvements.
Yes, just found it myself. All publicaly available
http://democracy.leeds.gov.uk/mgConvert ... x?ID=28866
The conclusion is encouraging. The planning committee are recommending that the plans are approved providing the airport company accept a committment to make financial contributions to transport monitoring and improvements.
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As far as I knew, the report of the planning officer was only visible to those who received the council letter, which was only sent to those who had written to express support. If it is now generally available to view, and in the public domain, then there is in my view no harm in commenting on the report on here. My reference to where the report could be found was not inadvertent - it was deliberate so that those who had access to it, could go on line and read it.
As far as I knew, the report of the planning officer was only visible to those who received the council letter, which was only sent to those who had written to express support. If it is now generally available to view, and in the public domain, then there is in my view no harm in commenting on the report on here. My reference to where the report could be found was not inadvertent - it was deliberate so that those who had access to it, could go on line and read it.
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I have been informed today that the CAA have now given approval for CATII to be installed on runway 14. It was of course hoped that the work could have been carried out over the last winter period along with the associated runway resurfacing work. I have been told that the airport is still wanting to start the work as soon as possible but it is likely that this will not be able to take place until the next winter season starts as the work includes a major upgrade of the touchdown zone lighting.
I have been informed today that the CAA have now given approval for CATII to be installed on runway 14. It was of course hoped that the work could have been carried out over the last winter period along with the associated runway resurfacing work. I have been told that the airport is still wanting to start the work as soon as possible but it is likely that this will not be able to take place until the next winter season starts as the work includes a major upgrade of the touchdown zone lighting.
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If true this is a significant development for the airport. What have the CAA actually approved? Does this mean the threshold will be pulled back on 14 to give 1930m LDA using the flat surface deflector system (approved by the FAA but not the CAA) with a 3.2 degree glideslope, or CATII based on the existing declared distances and 3.5 degree glideslope using the countdown system?
The 1930m LDA on rwy 14 being the all important constraint for PIA operating the 777-200 (viably) into Leeds.
If true this is a significant development for the airport. What have the CAA actually approved? Does this mean the threshold will be pulled back on 14 to give 1930m LDA using the flat surface deflector system (approved by the FAA but not the CAA) with a 3.2 degree glideslope, or CATII based on the existing declared distances and 3.5 degree glideslope using the countdown system?
The 1930m LDA on rwy 14 being the all important constraint for PIA operating the 777-200 (viably) into Leeds.
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Very good news indeed!!!
Very good news indeed!!!
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I can't remember the exact details but I remember been told that as part of the installation the runway will gain around 150m at the threshold and loose around 30m at the stop-end (runway 14) One thing I forgot to mention which could also be important is that the 32 glide slope will also also be renewed, I don't know whether or not that will improve performance or not.
I can't remember the exact details but I remember been told that as part of the installation the runway will gain around 150m at the threshold and loose around 30m at the stop-end (runway 14) One thing I forgot to mention which could also be important is that the 32 glide slope will also also be renewed, I don't know whether or not that will improve performance or not.
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From what I have been told in the past (at Consultative Meetings and general chat with the then MD, Ed Anderson) it has always been the intention to change the touch-down point on 32 to nearer the end of the runway, and aircraft being slightly lower as they pass over the Horsforth area. and that this would result in a longer stopping distance availableal for the likes of the 777 I think.
Surely there is no point in providing more useable runway at the 14 end and not doing the same at the 32 end also? Is this the alteration you are thinking of Aviador?
From what I have been told in the past (at Consultative Meetings and general chat with the then MD, Ed Anderson) it has always been the intention to change the touch-down point on 32 to nearer the end of the runway, and aircraft being slightly lower as they pass over the Horsforth area. and that this would result in a longer stopping distance availableal for the likes of the 777 I think.
Surely there is no point in providing more useable runway at the 14 end and not doing the same at the 32 end also? Is this the alteration you are thinking of Aviador?
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I'm not sure exactly because the detail are sketchy but to increase the distance on the 32 end would almost certainly require land fill to ensure 300m of flat ground (paved/grass) prior to the threshold area. The runway 14 end already has a 150m grass overrun area which also provides flat ground prior to the paved area and so still ensures 300m of flat ground (paved/grass) which allows the touchdown zone of runway 14 to be moved.
Although the paved area on runway 32 is the same as that on runway 14 standing at 2250m in length, the LDA is shorter on runway 14 at the moment at 1802m where at the 32 end the distance is 1916m. Presuming there are no additional figures to include in this calculation 1802m plus 150m minus 30m at the stop-end brings the distance up to 1922m LDA. Likewise if the airport can provide a stop-end zone of 150m on runway 14 this would also provide additional flat ground to enable the 32 glideslope and threshold to be moved. So 1916m plus 150m would bring the 32 end up to 2066m LDA without increasing physical concrete. As things stand at the moment this isn't a priority. Getting the distance up on runway 14 along with CAT II ILS is.
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I'm not sure exactly because the detail are sketchy but to increase the distance on the 32 end would almost certainly require land fill to ensure 300m of flat ground (paved/grass) prior to the threshold area. The runway 14 end already has a 150m grass overrun area which also provides flat ground prior to the paved area and so still ensures 300m of flat ground (paved/grass) which allows the touchdown zone of runway 14 to be moved.
Although the paved area on runway 32 is the same as that on runway 14 standing at 2250m in length, the LDA is shorter on runway 14 at the moment at 1802m where at the 32 end the distance is 1916m. Presuming there are no additional figures to include in this calculation 1802m plus 150m minus 30m at the stop-end brings the distance up to 1922m LDA. Likewise if the airport can provide a stop-end zone of 150m on runway 14 this would also provide additional flat ground to enable the 32 glideslope and threshold to be moved. So 1916m plus 150m would bring the 32 end up to 2066m LDA without increasing physical concrete. As things stand at the moment this isn't a priority. Getting the distance up on runway 14 along with CAT II ILS is.
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All sounds encouraging, although I've been hearing "positive news" on this for well over 10 years and we're still waiting. Let's hope they finally get something done. I would have thought this is something to do in height of summer and not the winter, so if it doesn't happen this summer, I think it will be another 12 months at least. Much easier to get away with runway lighting and ILS out of action in the light nights and more pleasant weather of summer surely?
Not sure why they'd have to lose 30m of landing distance at the 14 stop end. It would hardly act as an effective overrun area, so I wonder what the thinking behind that one is
All sounds encouraging, although I've been hearing "positive news" on this for well over 10 years and we're still waiting. Let's hope they finally get something done. I would have thought this is something to do in height of summer and not the winter, so if it doesn't happen this summer, I think it will be another 12 months at least. Much easier to get away with runway lighting and ILS out of action in the light nights and more pleasant weather of summer surely?
Not sure why they'd have to lose 30m of landing distance at the 14 stop end. It would hardly act as an effective overrun area, so I wonder what the thinking behind that one is
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