Future Infrastructure Developments

[752]

I know this is slightly off topic but I was talking to my ex boss yesterday (travel agent CEO) and she brought up the terminal and what a shame etc, she then proceeded to mention MME how well it is doing, how much longer its runway was then LBA's (its a tiny bit longer..) and how that is developing so quick and told me to "watch this space" with it as her shop in Yarm is making a lot of bookings from there (apparently)....

she wasn't best pleased when I shot down and contradicted all these claims - MME runway 7516ft LBA runway - 7,382

she said Delta was very interested in the airport, which i burst out laughing considering there is barely a MAN operation from DL still, why on earth would they come to MME..? talking shite

i asked which bookings her firm had from MME which she didn't answer, there isn't a tour operator apart from Balkan which is a tiny program, yes FR offer a couple of weekly flights, not a threat to LBA or NCL..

I then told her to look at the CAA stats and average LF of the MME flights, eye wateringly bad with the mayor giving a handout to airlines..
it just wound me up, what she doesn't know she makes up, talking shite!!

 

[paully]

I know this is slightly off topic but I was talking to my ex boss yesterday (travel agent CEO) and she brought up the terminal and what a shame etc, she then proceeded to mention MME how well it is doing, how much longer its runway was then LBA's (its a tiny bit longer..) and how that is developing so quick and told me to "watch this space" with it as her shop in Yarm is making a lot of bookings from there (apparently)....

she wasn't best pleased when I shot down and contradicted all these claims - MME runway 7516ft LBA runway - 7,382

she said Delta was very interested in the airport, which i burst out laughing considering there is barely a MAN operation from DL still, why on earth would they come to MME..? talking shite

i asked which bookings her firm had from MME which she didn't answer, there isn't a tour operator apart from Balkan which is a tiny program, yes FR offer a couple of weekly flights, not a threat to LBA or NCL..

I then told her to look at the CAA stats and average LF of the MME flights, eye wateringly bad with the mayor giving a handout to airlines..
it just wound me up, what she doesn't know she makes up, talking shite!!

As I see it, Teeside is a backwater in aviation terms. Not being disparaging just realistic. The Teeside mayor decided to try to change things by throwing zillions at it..OK so one or two have sniffed around and taken the dosh on offer. Now 2 things come from that. Firstly, the Mayor won`t have that kind of cash to hose about for very much longer and secondly as soon as the cashpipe gets turned off whatever flights there were, will be filling elsewhere. Loads of travel agent bookings to Hot Sun Sandcastles for the school holidays does not, a viable business, make.

Peel persist with Doncaster because it has massive, useable and viable land resources.....Funnily enough so does Teeside..Watch this space as they say.

 

[LBA4EVER]

I know this is slightly off topic but I was talking to my ex boss yesterday (travel agent CEO) and she brought up the terminal and what a shame etc, she then proceeded to mention MME how well it is doing, how much longer its runway was then LBA's (its a tiny bit longer..) and how that is developing so quick and told me to "watch this space" with it as her shop in Yarm is making a lot of bookings from there (apparently)....

she wasn't best pleased when I shot down and contradicted all these claims - MME runway 7516ft LBA runway - 7,382

she said Delta was very interested in the airport, which i burst out laughing considering there is barely a MAN operation from DL still, why on earth would they come to MME..? talking shite

i asked which bookings her firm had from MME which she didn't answer, there isn't a tour operator apart from Balkan which is a tiny program, yes FR offer a couple of weekly flights, not a threat to LBA or NCL..

I then told her to look at the CAA stats and average LF of the MME flights, eye wateringly bad with the mayor giving a handout to airlines..
it just wound me up, what she doesn't know she makes up, talking shite!!

Most the general public are just fulla s**** im often trying educate people!
Im feeling fairly positive now regarding our terminal extension plans and what lies ahead esp after reading the other comments on here.

 

[blotbuc1]

When we refer to the role played in the terminal application by local MPs we shouldn’t forget the Conservative MP for Pudsey (previously discussed in posts 6106-8). On the face of it he sat on the fence, but as a whip, and now a minister would have probably had significant influence in government circles. The government could have ignored the Labour MPs and accused them of standing in the way of its levelling up ambitions. However, Pudsey tends to be a marginal seat and all MPs are very conscious of the need not to upset a proportion of their electorate in order to retain their seat and help keep their party in power - even if this means that the region misses out on a significant private sector investment in its transportation infrastructure.

 

[gcoabc1]

The key to hitting 7m per year without having to submit another planning application will be what they do within the old terminal area to generate more seating, more gates, more facilities etc. That's the area that is restricted once the baggage reclaim area has been provided in the extension.

Obviously the extension also provides more departure space on the upper floor but as I said yesterday, the eventual relocation of the security screening area into what is now the general area occupied by baggage reclaim, would provide an opportunity to open up space for an enlarged Check In Hall A, something that is badly needed. This would also provide a more logical way around the building for those using Check in A (still leaving the Jet2 hall up the wrong end sadly).

If they can hit 7m per year without any further planning applications, then beyond that they might be able to make further changes requiring planning consent to improve layout further although of course if GALBA/son of GALBA think they would increase passenger numbers and flights further, there is sure to be resistance.

Vince Hodder said yesterday that the current plans enabled 7m per year if they develop the terminal with imagination. To me that suggested that they may go further than building just the extension now, and crack straight in with the changes to the old building straight after. After all, they had funding for £150m. He said this scheme is 'less than half the price', so less than £75m. Well, the extension scheme in isolation was around £25m from memory, so there should be scope to get the other changes done, and improve the walkway.

One thing is for sure, it's going to be interesting to see what they do and how quickly.

Could you just clarify if a possible revamp of the bus shelters to the other aircraft stands, similar to the " new terminal style", might fall into this restructured 2019 terminal plans if at all or is that a new planning application?

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

When we refer to the role played in the terminal application by local MPs we shouldn’t forget the Conservative MP for Pudsey (previously discussed in posts 6106-8). On the face of it he sat on the fence, but as a whip, and now a minister would have probably had significant influence in government circles. The government could have ignored the Labour MPs and accused them of standing in the way of its levelling up ambitions. However, Pudsey tends to be a marginal seat and all MPs are very conscious of the need not to upset a proportion of their electorate in order to retain their seat and help keep their party in power - even if this means that the region misses out on a significant private sector investment in its transportation infrastructure.

If the the boundary changes happen, Pudsey will become a safe conservative seat.

 

[White Heather]

Could you just clarify if a possible revamp of the bus shelters to the other aircraft stands, similar to the " new terminal style", might fall into this restructured 2019 terminal plans if at all or is that a new planning application?

Sorry, not totally sure what they are doing, except to say I am sure there was something in the scheme about the covered walkway. Whether that will remain as originally planned and whether doing anything to it that difffers from that requires planning consent I am not sure. Permanent buildings need planning, but that bus shelter walkway isn't really permanent.

However, the construction of the new extension to the East of the existing building will mean the removal of the walkway for the length of the extension, so it's going to get shorter unless they pick it up at one end and shove it on the the other so it goes further down the apron.

I just know that LBA are very aware of how that walkway is hated.

 

[gcoabc1]

Sorry, not totally sure what they are doing, except to say I am sure there was something in the scheme about the covered walkway. Whether that will remain as originally planned and whether doing anything to it that difffers from that requires planning consent I am not sure. Permanent buildings need planning, but that bus shelter walkway isn't really permanent.

However, the construction of the new extension to the East of the existing building will mean the removal of the walkway for the length of the extension, so it's going to get shorter unless they pick it up at one end and shove it on the the other so it goes further down the apron.

I just know that LBA are very aware of how that walkway is hated.

Thank you.

 

[lbaspotter]

West Yorkshire Mayor Tracy Barbin has being speaking about the airport again today, still saying she's disappointed with the airport dropping plans for its replacement net zero terminal, But is said to be working with the airport to deliver the LBA Parkway Station.

Tracy Brabin 'very disappointed' at cancellation of new £150m Leeds Bradford Airport terminal

West Yorkshire mayor Tracy Brabin is "very disappointed" that plans for a new £150m terminal building at Leeds Bradford Airport have been scrapped.

www.yorkshirepost.co.uk

 

[CM.]

Non of the Jet2 workers seem happy with the decision to not build the new terminal either.

 

[LBA4EVER]

West Yorkshire Mayor Tracy Barbin has being speaking about the airport again today, still saying she's disappointed with the airport dropping plans for its replacement net zero terminal, But is said to be working with the airport to deliver the LBA Parkway Station.

Tracy Brabin 'very disappointed' at cancellation of new £150m Leeds Bradford Airport terminal

West Yorkshire mayor Tracy Brabin is "very disappointed" that plans for a new £150m terminal building at Leeds Bradford Airport have been scrapped.

www.yorkshirepost.co.uk

So there working on delivering the parkway station yet the current terminal which appears to now be the one thats going to be used with the extension is located much further away. Thought the whole idea was to have a new terminal very close to the rail station with quick 2min bus service linking,

 

[White Heather]

So there working on delivering the parkway station yet the current terminal which appears to now be the one thats going to be used with the extension is located much further away. Thought the whole idea was to have a new terminal very close to the rail station with quick 2min bus service linking,

Well it's not that far. A 2 minute shuttle bus now becomes a 3 or 4 minute shuttle bus. Hardly a deal breaker. Perhaps you would prefer they don't bother with the station? Remember the Parkway Station plans were drawn up long before the new terminal was dreamt up.

As for Tracey Brabin, well she really is showing herself to be someone who is unfit for her position. For months on end she failed to nail her colours to the LBA mast, preferring to say nothing and concentrate on buses and cycle lanes, but now her lack of support has contributed towards the loss of the new terminal, she is all upset and disappointed about it. Too b****y late Tracey! You had your chance to support your airport but sat on the fence to appease your Labour MP chums who have brought about this decision along with the waste if space that is Michael Gove.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

Well it's not that far. A 2 minute shuttle bus now becomes a 3 or 4 minute shuttle bus. Hardly a deal breaker. Perhaps you would prefer they don't bother with the station? Remember the Parkway Station plans were drawn up long before the new terminal was dreamt up.

As for Tracey Brabin, well she really is showing herself to be someone who is unfit for her position. For months on end she failed to nail her colours to the LBA mast, preferring to say nothing and concentrate on buses and cycle lanes, but now her lack of support has contributed towards the loss of the new terminal, she is all upset and disappointed about it. Too b****y late Tracey! You had your chance to support your airport but sat on the fence to appease your Labour MP chums who have brought about this decision along with the waste if space that is Michael Gove.

Stuart Andrew is probably worse, not only did he sit on the fence but Mr Gove must have asked him for his opinion and I reckon (as have others) he told him to go for a public enquiry so he couldn't be blamed by the electorate for coming down in favour or against and jeopardising his seat.

 

[LBA4EVER]

Well it's not that far. A 2 minute shuttle bus now becomes a 3 or 4 minute shuttle bus. Hardly a deal breaker. Perhaps you would prefer they don't bother with the station? Remember the Parkway Station plans were drawn up long before the new terminal was dreamt up.

As for Tracey Brabin, well she really is showing herself to be someone who is unfit for her position. For months on end she failed to nail her colours to the LBA mast, preferring to say nothing and concentrate on buses and cycle lanes, but now her lack of support has contributed towards the loss of the new terminal, she is all upset and disappointed about it. Too b****y late Tracey! You had your chance to support your airport but sat on the fence to appease your Labour MP chums who have brought about this decision along with the waste if space that is Michael Gove.

Yes i guess im aiming my anger more at tracey brabin and the waste of space gove. Chocolate teapot comes to mind.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

Yes i guess im aiming my anger more at tracey brabin and the waste of space gove. Chocolate teapot comes to mind.

I would place more blame on Stuart Andrew than Michael Gove. Mr Gove should have known better but was likely guided by Stuart Andrew to ask for a public enquiry.

 

[LBA4EVER]

I would place more blame on Stuart Andrew than Michael Gove. Mr Gove should have known better but was likely guided by Stuart Andrew to ask for a public enquiry.

Does sound about right that as apparently mr gove is suppose to be levelling up the north!! Not much levelling up in term of transport infrastructure (apart from over the hill)

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

Blame our useless, waste of tax payers money, bunch of w!nkers that are labour MPS. They don’t want to level up the north. Ever.

 

[Aviador]

I expect this will just pave the way for another new terminal plan in the coming years. Whatever is stuck on the side of the current terminal doesn't change the fact that the old terminal building is past it. I still think we will eventually see a replacement terminal out of all this fiasco, probably using the new extension as the initial phase.

 

[LBA4EVER]

I've come to realise even with the big extension thats to happen on the side of the current terminal its still progress and hopefully will attrack new routes and pos airlines but eventually should lead to something better or even a full remodel of the current terminal. Still pretty annoyed with whats happened though!

 

[oldendays]

Whilst our MPs are being mentioned, can I quickly state for clarity's sake that Stuart Andrew is Conservative, not Labour.