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American Airlines have stated that all A330-200s will be retrofitted with Premium Economy by December 2017. This means that the MAN-PHL route will have a new cabin option; premium economy. I'm hoping this will be good news for the route as premium economy is a higher yielding class of travel and seems very popular from MAN with leisure travellers.
And it's the turn of PHL to be cancelled today. Start of a bank holiday weekend and school holidays as well.
I looked the other day, and the seat map indicated there were just under 200 pax booked at that stage for today.
What a shambolic shower they are! And an embarrassment to Manchester Airport.
I looked the other day, and the seat map indicated there were just under 200 pax booked at that stage for today.
What a shambolic shower they are! And an embarrassment to Manchester Airport.
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I don't think PHL has ever been cancelled before. In fact when they had an inflight issue the plane diverted to Charlotte where a spare operated the service, which is quite an incredible service to their customers. New York has also seen considerable efforts made to operate services when things go wrong. Where things are dire is Chicago. Let's hope this isn't the start of a downward spiral across all bases.
I think some might suggest a downward spiral had already started, mainly on Chicago in terms of cancellations, but also due to the extended suspensions of ORD & JFK in the winter and the quality of the equipment used on those 2 routes.
But you are right, PHL has got off lightly up to now.
The point is if I were travelling to the US, I would be very reluctant to fly AA because of the perceived unreliability and inferior product and service. In the past, I found DL to be quite good and UA ok but prefer Virgin to all of them, although sadly even they are cutting frequency next winter to JFK & ATL. Not sure about MCO & LAS.
But you are right, PHL has got off lightly up to now.
The point is if I were travelling to the US, I would be very reluctant to fly AA because of the perceived unreliability and inferior product and service. In the past, I found DL to be quite good and UA ok but prefer Virgin to all of them, although sadly even they are cutting frequency next winter to JFK & ATL. Not sure about MCO & LAS.
PHL only 25 minutes late. AA's JFK just over 2 hours delayed and ORD nearly 3.5 hours. I suppose the good news is they haven't been cancelled. I was thinking it may be weather related in the US until I noticed UA had arrived early.
TCX & VS about 20 minutes late from JFK.
TCX & VS about 20 minutes late from JFK.
No, it's just a glitch to do with flightradar24. It has showed A321 and A319 some days for ORD, however, in the case of PHL, @David_itl is correct - the flight originates from Las Vegas.
Houston is also 1 1/2 hours delayed.
groobs
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I was on yesterdays AA735 to PHL. Imagine my surprise when I woke up to see if the 734 had departed and it showed an A321!
Flight was a little late, nothing major, made it up cross the Atlantic.
The most impressive thing was that I was at my hotel downtown less than an hour after landing! Border control was empty!
Flight was a little late, nothing major, made it up cross the Atlantic.
The most impressive thing was that I was at my hotel downtown less than an hour after landing! Border control was empty!
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Well the seat map for today's PHL shows just 2 empty seats in Business on a 258 seat A332. (I assume you are saying it was an A332 when you got to MAN).
As Friday's was cancelled, I imagine with all flights being busy at holiday time, some pax might have been delayed a day and only flown yesterday. Incidentally, just 2 empty seats showing in J class on today's JFK as well.
As Friday's was cancelled, I imagine with all flights being busy at holiday time, some pax might have been delayed a day and only flown yesterday. Incidentally, just 2 empty seats showing in J class on today's JFK as well.
groobs
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Yes it was the 332. Just the one empty seat in business.
State of the market to some extent and with the wider choice of direct destinations from MAN, but haven't AA brought a lot of this on themselves. Logohu's post on pprune recently sums it up very well. And look at the reliability figures he quotes of delays over an hour and outright cancellations for ORD and JFK.
Little G
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Is it so common place that AA cancellations don't get reported. AA54/55 cancelled today. Got the call at 0150 this morning routing me via LHR with an earlier departure, 0940, to ORD. YET N175AN is this morning operating the return ORD DFW flight it came in on. Very suspicious given the vast majority of AA55 were accommodated on AA87. I remember the days BA did the very same on MAN LAX to shore up the poorly performing LHR route
I hadn't checked for this morning's ORD, but earlier in the week there looked to be 120-140 pax on the B757.
It doesn't surprise me if today was a similar number booked that there was room for most on AA87, but more so that there was room on the shuttle, although I suppose pax could have been spread over a couple of MAN-LHR flights if timing allowed.
As for your first point, I'm afraid the frequency of cancellations, at least for ORD & JFK, has become the norm so not all get reported on here. Interesting that they used LHR rather than the A332 to PHL on which I'm sure there would be some space. Perhaps seats on connecting flights at PHL was a problem.
It doesn't surprise me if today was a similar number booked that there was room for most on AA87, but more so that there was room on the shuttle, although I suppose pax could have been spread over a couple of MAN-LHR flights if timing allowed.
As for your first point, I'm afraid the frequency of cancellations, at least for ORD & JFK, has become the norm so not all get reported on here. Interesting that they used LHR rather than the A332 to PHL on which I'm sure there would be some space. Perhaps seats on connecting flights at PHL was a problem.
As there has been quite a lot of comment on pprune recently about AA, I had a look at how loads are looking for tomorrow's departures. ORD / JFK / PHL are about 65%; 60% and 55% at present but PHL has 80 more seats of course than the B757. However, return flights next Thursday from the US look healthier.
ORD cancelled again today. Not sure if there were wx problems in New York but the inbound JFK is 3 hours late (although UA from EWR only 1 hour delayed).
The outbound JFK today looks to have just under 100 pax for its 176 seats. By comparison, UA showing about 150 pax (169 seats).
The outbound JFK today looks to have just under 100 pax for its 176 seats. By comparison, UA showing about 150 pax (169 seats).
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