TUi Airways

[TheLocalYokel]

C.P Air DC8/DC10 and B747 - Toronto,and Zoom B767 - Toronto+Vancouver,plujs I think it was Trans Ocean DC8 done a small New York stint in 89.

Many thanks for that. Zoom went bust in 2008 before it could really get its feet under the CWL table although early indications were very promising during the relatively short duration of its CWL presence (two years?).

 

[TheLocalYokel]

I think it would be a consideration yes but I'm sceptical that TUI would potentially move Cancun and Orlando to CWL as I don't think it's guaranteed that the English passengers would follow. Maybe if they were looking at adding extra frequencies for the area?
I do think that APD might help more with a scheduled long haul airline like United or Delta?

In the 90s and early 'noughties' CWL had Florida and Caribbean summer services whilst BRS either did not or, when they did, usually had a smaller programme than CWL. CWL seemed to do well passenger-wise. I remember one August 10,000 passengers were carried on the Florida route on I believe three airlines with one a B747 - for a local company called Travel House?

Re your points about APD and long haul, although there is no APD on direct long haul flghts from Northern Ireland Belfast Int has no TUI long haul despite having TUI short haul routes. Its only long haul route that I can determine is the summer Virgin Atlantic to Orlando. There is no NYC route and the lack of APD was not enough to retain United on the route (to Newark), so............I don't know.

 

[geoff]

It was a local Swansea firm Travel City which chartered a weekly Orlando flight in peak season, usually the school holidays and it was very popular. Wardair was another Canadian carrier that was popular several years ago.

 

[Jarvo]

This was all before my following of aviation, but it does make you wonder how much demand there is around the airport's catchment when flights would have been relatively (Correct me if I'm wrong) expensive compared to today yet seemed to have healthy use.

 

[superking]

Years back my parents used Wardair to Canada via a fuel stop in Prestwick.

 

[Seasider]

This was all before my following of aviation, but it does make you wonder how much demand there is around the airport's catchment when flights would have been relatively (Correct me if I'm wrong) expensive compared to today yet seemed to have healthy use.

There is a lot more choice today from other airports as well. In those days they probably charged the same from Bristol (for example), as they would have from Cardiff. Nowadays it could be a lot different.

 

[Jerry]

So far this is what Summer 2020 will look like roughly for TUI at the moment. I've taken a sample from August 2020.
At the moment there are 46 weekly departures with 3 non based flights.
Monday
06.00-13.40 Corfu
06.00-15.40 Dalaman
06.20-12.15 Menorca
10.50 Palma de Mallorca (non based aircraft)
13.45-01.55 Hurghada
15.00-23.25 Bourgas
17.20-02.20 Tenerife
Tuesday
06.00-11.50 Alicante
06.00-11.40 Palma de Mallorca
06.00-11.15 Reus
13.05-21.10 Keffalonia
13.25-22.35 Tenerife
14.30-22.40 Zante
19.40 Dalaman (non based aircraft)
22.40-04.20 Palma de Mallorca (operating between 14th July and 1st September)

Wednesday
06.00-12.25 Malaga
06.15-13.15 Naples
07.05-13.00 Ibiza
14.00-23.35 Rhodes
14.30-23.35 Kos
14.55-01.35 Paphos
Thursday
06.05-20.15 Faro (operates EXT Faro in a W pattern)
06.20-13.15 Dubrovnik
06.00-14.30 Lanzarote
14.45-00.40 Antalya
16.00-01.40 Dalaman
Friday
05.30-11.10 Menorca
06.00-13.10 Enfidha
07.45-13.25 Palma de Mallorca
12.10-20.15 Zante
14.10-23.10 Tenerife
14.30-22.15 Corfu
21.45-3.30 Ibiza (only operates from 17th July to 28th August)
Saturday
06.00-11.45 Ibiza
06.15-11.55 Palma de Mallorca
07.00-12.50 Alicante
13.25-22.30 Kos
13.45-22.55 Gran Canaria
15.10-00.35 Rhodes
Sunday
06.00-14.35 Lanzarote
06.00-12.10 Malaga
07.05-12.55 Palma de Mallorca
09.30 Dalaman (non based aircraft)
14.25-01.05 Paphos
15.35-00.50 Heraklion
15.55-02.50 Larnaca

TUI have cut the Thursday Gran Canaria reducing this route back to 1 weekly.
They have replaced it with Antalya, the Thursday flight will now be on a based aircraft. This results in a reduction of 1 weekly departure from 47 to 46 for the overall operation with 43 on based aircraft and 3 from non based aircraft.

 

[Jerry]

First TUI long haul of the year today!
View attachment 15767

 

[Jerry]

It looks like the Thursday Faro won't be doing a W pattern with East Midlands. The Exeter aircraft will be doing that now. So that means there's a Thursday afternoon slot free. I've checked and they don't seem to have filled it as far as I can find.

 

[Jerry]

Although I can't confirm this I've been told that Corendon Airlines will be operating both 1 weekly away based flights for Antalya and Dalaman on a 737 800. Also the Monday away based PMI is down as TUI so whether that could mean it'll be operated by an away based/W pattern TUI aircraft or as I suspect but hope not something from Monday will be shifted to the gap on Thursday so the PMI can be covered.

 

[Jerry]

So far this is what Summer 2020 will look like roughly for TUI at the moment. I've taken a sample from August 2020.
At the moment there are 46 weekly departures with 3 non based flights. TUI have made some changes.
Monday
06.00-13.40 Corfu
06.00-15.40 Dalaman
06.20-12.15 Menorca
10.50 Palma de Mallorca (non based aircraft)
13.45-01.55 Hurghada
15.00-23.25 Bourgas
17.20-02.20 Tenerife
Tuesday
06.00-11.50 Alicante
06.00-11.40 Palma de Mallorca
06.00-11.15 Reus
13.05-21.10 Keffalonia
13.25-22.35 Tenerife
14.30-22.40 Zante
19.40 Dalaman (non based aircraft)
22.40-04.20 Palma de Mallorca (operating between 14th July and 1st September)
Wednesday
06.00-12.25 Malaga
06.15-13.15 Naples
07.05-13.00 Ibiza
14.00-23.35 Rhodes
14.30-23.35 Kos
14.55-01.35 Paphos
Thursday
07.30-13.35 Faro
06.20-13.15 Dubrovnik
06.00-14.30 Lanzarote
15.05-23.30 Bourgas
14.45-00.40 Antalya
16.00-01.40 Dalaman
Friday
05.30-11.10 Menorca
06.00-13.10 Enfidha
07.45-13.25 Palma de Mallorca
12.10-20.15 Zante
14.10-23.10 Tenerife
14.30-22.15 Corfu
21.45-3.30 Ibiza (only operates from 17th July to 28th August)
Saturday
06.00-11.45 Ibiza
06.15-11.55 Palma de Mallorca
07.00-12.50 Alicante
13.25-22.30 Kos
13.45-22.55 Gran Canaria
15.10-00.35 Rhodes
Sunday
06.00-14.35 Lanzarote
06.00-12.10 Malaga
07.05-12.55 Palma de Mallorca
14.25-01.05 Paphos
15.35-00.50 Heraklion
15.55-02.50 Larnaca
09.30 Antalya (non based aircraft)

In total TUI will operate 47 weekly flights with 3 flights operated by non based aircraft and 44 by based aircraft.

 

[Jerry]

TUI have filled the empty Thursday slot with an extra flight to Bourgas which will now operate 2 weekly on Mondays and Thursdays.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

TUI have filled the empty Thursday slot with an extra flight to Bourgas which will now operate 2 weekly on Mondays and Thursdays.

How many flights each week to BOJ were there in total last summer? Not just with TUI. Did TCX operate there?

 

[Jerry]

How many flights each week to BOJ were there in total last summer? Not just with TUI. Did TCX operate there?

TCX dropped there BOJ flight for last year so this should be an increase from 2 weekly flights to 3 with BH Air.

 

[Selig]

The problem with Thomas Cook and Ryanair disappearing from Cardiff has left the remaining greedy German airline free to exploit passengers on the Tenerife route from Cardiff.
Just checked next Monday’s flight only to TFS £298, return a week later £298, that’s £596 round trip. I can fly return to Australia, the other end of the world, cheaper than that!
What it will do is drive more and more people to fly from Bristol, perhaps that’s the end game.

 

[Jarvo]

The problem with Thomas Cook and Ryanair disappearing from Cardiff has left the remaining greedy German airline free to exploit passengers on the Tenerife route from Cardiff.
Just checked next Monday’s flight only to TFS £298, return a week later £298, that’s £596 round trip. I can fly return to Australia, the other end of the world, cheaper than that!
What it will do is drive more and more people to fly from Bristol, perhaps that’s the end game.

It's the fact TUI aren't really a scheduled airline in the same way Ryanair are. They're a package holiday/tour operator that sells spare seats. I'm sure for less than the return price you quoted you could also have a hotel and hotel transfers if you did it as a package.

 

[Jerry]

The problem with Thomas Cook and Ryanair disappearing from Cardiff has left the remaining greedy German airline free to exploit passengers on the Tenerife route from Cardiff.
Just checked next Monday’s flight only to TFS £298, return a week later £298, that’s £596 round trip. I can fly return to Australia, the other end of the world, cheaper than that!
What it will do is drive more and more people to fly from Bristol, perhaps that’s the end game.

The problem with that is that TUI aren't a scheduled airline, they want you to buy the package and not the flight hence why the flight is so expensive. The reality is as well that without TUI Cardiff would not have any based airlines.

 

[Jerry]

The Cardiff Airport Summer 2020 timetable has Corendon Airlines down to operate the away based Antalya and Dalaman for TUI and Albastar for the away based PMI.

 

[Jerry]

The Cardiff Airport Summer 2020 timetable has Corendon Airlines down to operate the away based Antalya and Dalaman for TUI and Albastar for the away based PMI.

Oddly the TUI website has Freebird down for the non based Dalaman.

 

[Jerry]

Talk to Santa flights on the BRS thread has made me wonder why TUI doesn't operate at least 1 from Cardiff? The demand is there as there's several flights from Cardiff and it's not like they only operate them from big airports as they operate 1 from Exeter.