TUi Airways

[Cardiffbay]

Due to the MAX issues TUI will need some replacement aircraft this summer.

 

[Jerry]

DSA was also expanded so I wonder if they'll get an ASL aircraft as according to Wikipedia ASL group have 2 737 800s on order.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

DSA was also expanded so I wonder if they'll get an ASL aircraft as according to Wikipedia ASL group have 2 737 800s on order.

Bristol has also been expanded in terms of 737s this summer with the two 757s leaving and being replaced by the smaller aircraft. I read talk of some of the 757s being retained for a while longer because of the MAX issues but I don't know if that is so or, if it is, whether BRS will be affected. If not, they will need a couple of extra 737s there too.

I don't know how many TUI UK airports were due to take extra 737s this summer, either because of base expansion such as at CWL or through retirement of some of the 757s.

 

[Jerry]

Bristol has also been expanded in terms of 737s this summer with the two 757s leaving and being replaced by the smaller aircraft. I read talk of some of the 757s being retained for a while longer because of the MAX issues but I don't know if that is so or, if it is, whether BRS will be affected. If not, they will need a couple of extra 737s there too.

I don't know how many TUI UK airports were due to take extra 737s this summer, either because of base expansion such as at CWL or through retirement of some of the 757s.

Maybe ASL will base 1 aircraft at each?
It's a pain that seat maps can't be accessed to give us a clue!

 

[superking]

TUI have extended 3 if not 4 B757 for the summer season , or if the max is in operation before end of summer.

 

[Foxlimayankee]

There will be 1, possibly 2 757s at BRS, 1 ASL at CWL and 3 Olympus A321s at BHX/MAN
All will only be sold to 189 as per TUI 737s

 

[mathers_wales_uk]

Blame the MAX for this issue. However I am annoyed how CWL gets shafted with this arrangement.

When TUI had shiny new aircraft to show off, they were based all at MAN. Therefore now the shinny bits of metal are grounded, they should receive the fallout.

Once again a total disregard and respect from TUI for Welsh passengers.

 

[Jerry]

Blame the MAX for this issue. However I am annoyed how CWL gets shafted with this arrangement.

When TUI had shiny new aircraft to show off, they were based all at MAN. Therefore now the shinny bits of metal are grounded, they should receive the fallout.

Once again a total disregard and respect from TUI for Welsh passengers.

CWL will always be down the pecking order when it comes to airports like MAN, compared to them CWL is viewed as a backwater airport. Thinking on it I think CWL is lucky they didn't cut the 3rd based aircraft because of it.

 

[Foxlimayankee]

I do wonder if it's more of an operational decision. Bear in mind that MAN is getting an Olympus A321 and BHX getting 2 of them. It might be down to pilot recruitment.
When the 757s were withdrawn from CWL a number of pilots chose to continue flying them but out of BRS and you'd often see pilots brought in from elsewhere to fly the 737s from CWL. It might be that they have a shortage of 737 pilots with the 3rd aircraft being added, so to avoid the cost of travelling and hotel expense that they would face this summer, they've brought in ASL.
Given how close we are to the summer season I'd be very surprised if cutting the 3rd aircraft was even an option given the number of bookings that would be affected by it.

 

[Pontyboy]

I hope it's a 737-800 that comes into CWL by ASL but it is likely to be a 700 series seating 149 passengers which would be a reduction in capacity and would cause significant problems for passengers on flights that have filled more than 149 seats. Does anyone has an idea on aircraft yet?

TUI start's Palma this afternoon from CWL. I wonder if certain summer 2020 routes will be brought forward to compete with TCX? A second based 737 in April would be most welcome for pax stats.

 

[Cardiffbay]

Blame the MAX for this issue. However I am annoyed how CWL gets shafted with this arrangement.

When TUI had shiny new aircraft to show off, they were based all at MAN. Therefore now the shinny bits of metal are grounded, they should receive the fallout.

Once again a total disregard and respect from TUI for Welsh passengers.

I don’t think you can say this. For all we know Cardiff might have been getting a MAX that’s why we now have a sub. TUI don’t seem to leave aircaft at bases all summer like TCX. They seem to rotate them through destination airports.

 

[Jerry]

ASL have purchased 2 737 800s so i'd have thought it would be one of them. In the end an ASL aircraft is better than no aircraft at all, as for the MAX CWL will end up getting them one day.

 

[mathers_wales_uk]

I don’t think you can say this. For all we know Cardiff might have been getting a MAX that’s why we now have a sub. TUI don’t seem to leave aircaft at bases all summer like TCX. They seem to rotate them through destination airports.

CWL was not getting the Max for Summer 2019 and that is a fact.

They were all in the system as B73H which is a B737-800.

 

[ROC10]

The only bases due to have MAXs based for S19 were EDI, GLA and MAN.

 

[mathers_wales_uk]

Therefore they are the ones that should face potential disruption.

 

[Seasider]

It doesn't work like that, they look after their main bases and "bugger the others up".

 

[Jerry]

Yep Cardiff will be way down the list for the MAXs and the bigger bases like MAN will always get priority.

 

[Foxlimayankee]

Yep Cardiff will be way down the list for the MAXs and the bigger bases like MAN will always get priority.

Then why has MAN been given an Olympus A321, and the 3rd biggest base, BHX, been given 2 Olympus A321?
I really can't imagine a board of directors of a company like TUI sat around the table all going "so which base shall we bugger up this time?"
It is very likely that there are several factors as to why CWL has been chosen (Along with others - BHX/MAN and BRS 757's), none of them being, let's p*ss off the Welsh.
Don't forget that several other small bases already get Sunwing 737's every summer with Canadian Pilots.

 

[Jerry]

Then why has MAN been given an Olympus A321, and the 3rd biggest base, BHX, been given 2 Olympus A321?
I really can't imagine a board of directors of a company like TUI sat around the table all going "so which base shall we bugger up this time?"
It is very likely that there are several factors as to why CWL has been chosen (Along with others - BHX/MAN and BRS 757's), none of them being, let's p*ss off the Welsh.
Don't forget that several other small bases already get Sunwing 737's every summer with Canadian Pilots.

MAN, BHX and LGW are their biggest and most important bases so will always get priority in resources and aircraft over CWL that's just a business fact. As for the A321s it would be nice to see one at CWL but they've chosen to base them at MAN and BHX and CWL will get the 737 it was always going to get just with a different paint scheme! Also no doubt one day CWL will see the MAX but I doubt it'll be before the likes of BHX and LGW!

 

[Foxlimayankee]

I think you'll find Jerry that operationally the bigger bases often take the hit to support the smaller bases. If an aircraft was tech at a smaller base, it would likely be an aircraft brought in from one of the big 3 to recover the program. That aircraft isn't always necessarily on the ground doing nothing but with more aircraft and crew based theres greater flexibility to swap things around, however these swaps often leads to flights at those bases being delayed in order to maintain a schedule at the smaller base.
As I said before, there could be any number of operational reasons why the decision was made instead of just assuming the sob story that CWL has lost out again. It's not how it works and you dont see DUB, BFS, ABZ and NWI claiming poverty becsuse they have a sunwing aircraft.

Also if MAN, BHX and LGW was a priority with is it only MAN, EDI and GLA getting the max.... operational decision, that's why. Not because any base is a favourite.