Manchester: General Airport Discussions & Updates

[ethanegcc]

I realise it would be a stretch to start MOM now, but perhaps NBO? Despite this, I was mainly enquiring historically, not in a view for new services. Thanks for your answer?

 

[ethanegcc]

I realise it would be a stretch to start MOM now, but perhaps NBO? Despite this, I was mainly enquiring historically, not in a view for new services. Thanks for your answer?

 

[EGCC_MAN]

Given that tourism demand for Kenya would be muted for the reasons outlined above, demand would have to come instead from other market sectors. I don't know the extent of business or VFR demand from Northern England for Kenya itself, and there certainly would be some tourism demand (just not at mass-market levels). So there is some potential to build on there. An important consideration would be what onward connections a carrier such as Kenya Airways would be offering beyond NBO, and whether they would represent a more compelling proposition to those destinations than other choices available such as connections via the MEB3 hubs. Ultimately, it will all come down to market size and I don't pretend to know the extent of that. But Kenya Airways' long-haul fleet is now all B788, so the market would need to support that level of capacity probably twice a week minimum. I don't think a British carrier with no onward feed would have a hope of making NBO work until mainstream tourism is back on the agenda. That doesn't look close given the current geopolitical climate. In the end, we have to remember that any new service would have to be a profitable proposition. Decent load factors wouldn't be enough.

 

[Dobbo]

I don't know whether we are straying into route development, but I assume ADD is the target for MAN.

 

[EGCC_MAN]

Probably so. Feed through to South Africa was a big contributor to EgyptAir's viability before domestic politics scuppered that service. A carrier which can reliably offer that will have a good leg-up to build on.

 

[Dobbo]

Agreed.

I assume Ethiopians competition would come from the MEB3, but they are certainly well placed to offer quick one stop connections to most of sub Saharan Africa without the dogleg to
the Middle East.

 

[ethanegcc]

Yep, as I say was mainly enquiring about history but I think Kenya Airways offers good connections to SA and also Zanzibar, Kilimanjaro, Lusaka etc. but Ethiopian is as you say the main target. We certainly have strayed into route development.

 

[David_itl]

Interview in Travel Weekly http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/artic...-credentials-as-aviations-northern-powerhouse

 

[Dobbo]

Interview in Travel Weekly http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/artic...-credentials-as-aviations-northern-powerhouse

Good interview. The strategic vision is crystal clear. My concern surrounds the implimentation of that vision, the delivery of which remains to be seen.

Interesting that the citing the long haul routes were all "full service" routes - not ones just served by TCX.

 

[Aceshigh]

West jet quote

45 airlines operate from Gatwick, offering WestJet guests low fares and easy connections to and from approximately 200 destinations in 90 countries; more destinations than from any other airport in the UK.

Not sure about that lads.. Manchester UK feed is double that of GATWICK.

 

[ethanegcc]

Exactly - I wish WestJet would come to Manchester. YYC could be one to launch, along with YVR and YYZ if they were ambitious! Perhaps even YHZ, on to YYZ with a 737, like the Glasgow set up.

 

[ethanegcc]

Great video - showing the highlights of MAN last Saturday -from 'the aviators'
"

 

[Land23R]

Can someone explain why MAN's brilliant on line schedules timetable does not come up with any direct flights to Houston? To reassure myself, I did check that the flights do exist on Singapore Airlines web site.

I've been critical of the timetables before and things don't seem to have improved. I assume it's an outsourced service.

If someone does find them, I shall apologise with due humility.

 

[Aviador]

I'm not aware of this been posted in the Manchester forum but you might find this PDF interesting.

http://www.transportforthenorth.com/wp-content/uploads/International-Connectivity-Report_websafe.pdf

 

[Aceshigh]

Emblamatic of the establishment.
Not a wiff of self doubt, total hipocracy and self assurance that will always take you to the top in "public life", if you are prepared to stick ones snout in the trough that is Whitehall or Parliament.

We should be grateful of course he didn't introduce a cloth cap or a miners lamp or maybe even a pigeon or two. Maybe we should still be sliding down slag heaps
....!

" well those Northern folk need leaders like us to keep order you know..."

I reference Lord Kxxhead of course !

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/people-around-greater-manchester-want-12549

He is a total arse , we all realise that but sadly our MEN Manchester airport correspondent is happy to give his jaundiced views the oxygen of publicity although I concede it may have been a trap given the number of "somewhat " negative comments he received.

Sadly anybody talking a modicum of common sense on here won't be afforded the same luxury in terms of airtime.

 

[David_itl]

Been reading today's essential news site, gulfnews.com and found this about the top 10 cities in the world for connectivity.

http://gulfnews.com/business/economy/sharjah-ranked-among-top-ten-future-global-cities-1.1974822
http://gulfnews.com/business/economy/sharjah-ranked-among-top-ten-future-global-cities-1.1974822
The blurb may be about Sharjah but gives the reasoning behind the listing:
Having established itself as an essential Middle East hub of modern continental trade, the report, conducted by FDi Intelligence Magazine, a division of London’s Financial Times,concluded that Sharjah’s logistics, seaports and airport capabilities had the qualities and capabilities to secure them a place in the leading global connectivity cities."

The listing:

1. London
2. Singapore
3. Hong Kong
4. Amsterdam
5. Paris
6. Sharjah
7. Frankfurt
8. Manchester
9. Miami, US
10. Dubai, UAE

Think that's a "wow!" moment for significance for raising the profile of the area and route development

 

[IanFarquharson]

How can Manchester be higher than Dubai ?

 

[Dobbo]

Certainly it's not just about air connectivity, but I wonder if by "Manchester" they actually mean "Manchester-Liverpool" as some of these surveys are starting to do...

 

[David_itl]

I'd go further. The whole Northern Powerhouse thing with the large swathe of country from Liverpool through to Hull. Manchester is pretty much the focus city but each major conurbation within that area would contribute greatly to stimulating business.

 

[Dobbo]

Well if investment to the Region (and its primary gateway) is apportioned in that basis it's fine by me!