Leeds Bradford: Airport Road, Rail & Access Issues

[Aviador]

Have you got the link? I’ve got a lot I want to say to the leader of the councillor. A few emails in his inbox over the next few days won’t hurt. And I won’t let it go. I expect a response.

[email protected]

 

[rollo]

I read the other day that the cities of Birmingham, Leeds, Manchester, Newcastle and Sheffield combined have less public charging points than Westminster-funny that who said politicians are out of touch with us plebs?

 

[lbaspotter]

From September 3rd service changes the will be some cuts to the Leeds-Bradford Airport Flyer Buses network operated by Transdev due to low usage effecting routes A1, A2 & A3

Changes to times on FLYER​

We're making some changes to FLYER from 3 Sept to better reflect the customer demand at our quietest times.

A1 Leeds - Leeds Bradford Airport
Buses will now run every 30 minutes 7 days a week - this better reflects the number of customers travelling with us. Customers travelling between Kirkstall and Leeds will still have the same number of buses an hour with us, as we increase Aireline to run every 20 minutes. Some of our earliest journeys each day will no longer run due to low customer demand.

A2 Bradford - Leeds Bradford Airport - Harrogate
We'll be changing some of our early and late journeys due to low customer demand.

• The trip at 4.30am from Bradford and at 5.27am from the airport will no longer operate.
• Journeys at 7.40pm and 8.40pm from Bradford will now finish at Leeds Bradford Airport.
• On Mondays to Fridays, the trip which currently leaves Harrogate at 5.40am will not start until 6.15am at the Airport.
• On all days, the trips which depart Harrogate at 8.55pm and 9.55pm will now start at the airport and the 11.27pm from the airport to Bradford will no longer run.
• On Saturdays, the 5.30am from Bradford will now leave at 5.45am and will finish at the airport. The trips which currently leave Harrogate at 5.55am and 6.55am will now begin at Leeds Bradford Airport 32 mins later.
• On Sundays, the 5.35am from Bradford will now leave at 5.45am and will finish at the airport. The 6.55am from Harrogate will now start at the airport at 7.27am.

A3 Bradford - Leeds Bradford Airport - Otley
We'll be changing some of our evening journeys due to low customer demand. Also, the journeys currently departing Bradford after 6.10pm Monday to Saturday will have some revised timings from Leeds Bradford Airport onwards.

• On all days, the trip leaving Otley at 10.35pm will now finish at the Airport.
• On Saturdays, the 11.10pm bus from Bradford will no longer run.
• On Sundays, we won't be running the 10.10pm or the 11.10pm trip from Bradford.

New timetables will be available to download soon. If you need any help, please get in touch by emailing our friendly team at [email protected] or tweet us @flyerbuses.

 

[YorkshireLad]

Oh dear

 

[White Heather]

From September 3rd service changes the will be some cuts to the Leeds-Bradford Airport Flyer Buses network operated by Transdev due to low usage effecting routes A1, A2 & A3

Never mind. This is Leeds. We can walk or cycle instead! Not sure what they'll do in Bradford or Harrogate.

 

[YorkshireLad]

We need trains! As soon as possible!

 

[White Heather]

We need trains! As soon as possible!

2026 do?

 

[YorkshireLad]

2026 do?

It'll have to. It's probably the biggest transport development in Yorkshire if you look at the rate anything else gets done around here

 

[leedslad]

I'd not pin too many hopes on the train...

Park and Ride arrangement rather than direct link means a typical journey will be:

Wait for shuttle bus
Lift all luggage on
5 min shuttle bus journey
Lift all luggage off
Walk all luggage to platform
Wait 5 mins for train
Lift all luggage on to train
15 min train ride
Lift all luggage off train
Likely require a change of platform and train to reach home

Actually worse than just getting the bus which people aren't getting...

 

[dmrodgers]

I'd not pin too many hopes on the train...

Park and Ride arrangement rather than direct link means a typical journey will be:

Wait for shuttle bus
Lift all luggage on
5 min shuttle bus journey
Lift all luggage off
Walk all luggage to platform
Wait 5 mins for train
Lift all luggage on to train
15 min train ride
Lift all luggage off train
Likely require a change of platform and train to reach home

Actually worse than just getting the bus which people aren't getting...

And probably 5 times more expensive knowing what the railways charge for a ticket. What the airport needs is Supertram with a direct link to both Leeds & Bradford. Has been promised by numerous governments for Leeds and pulled each time for various reasons. HS2 scrapped to Leeds so Boris Johnson promises Leeds a tram network when in power. What has happened since, Nothing. Now we have that useless West Yorkshire Mayor Tracey Brabin promising a tram network linking West Yorkshire, we haven't got a cat in hell's chance of that happening despite the promise of levelling up by the government. If Manchester wants something irrespective of cost the government cough up the money from somewhere yet the third biggest city in England Leeds gets no support for infrastructure. LBA will always be a back water as far as public transport and major road development is concerned despite year on year passenger growth. Leeds City Council wants us all to travel by push bike with out suitcases in tow to get to the airport.

 

[Finger66]

Not too sure on that one. Probably less risk of traffic delays by train. Plus those travelling on business won't have lots of luggage and even some leisure pax travel light.

When you say 2026 does that mean we only get 1 train a day at 836pm lol!

The less said about Bradford as a whole the better. And that's coming from a Bradfordian!

Sorry typo - meant 826pm. Edit button not there

 

[lbaspotter]

Already complaining about the trains, and it's not even due for another 3 years lol.

Bus companies are making cuts all over the network as passenger demand has never returned to pre Covid levels. Sadly the bus companies can't make money having there Buses running around empty. Things are not helped either by the fare cap on single & day tickets either.

 

[LBA787]

2026 do?

Is that the expected opening date?

With a probable 18-24 month construction time would that mean construction commencing sometime late next year.

The parkway is far from my preferred solution however if it comes off it has to be seen as a positive.

 

[Finger66]

The biggest faux Pas around LBA transport links was in my eyes the canning of the link road. So any transport improvements, even in the form of a Parkway Station should be embraced. Other airports operate successfully with this type of model even though it isn't 100% ideal

 

[JRP]

I no the new station is going to be a Park and Ride as well, but I drive trains on the Harrogate Line and where the station is planned to be will be one heck of a task to build it in that location due to the railway entering a cutting, they be better off spending the money on something like the Luton Dart from Horsforth station, and advertise Horsforth station as LBA aswell, Horsforth also has the advantage there is a turn back siding so more trains can be run to Horsforth and the signalling between Leeds and Horsforth is set up to run more trains but after Horsforth the signalling is a different set up, also is there demand for a park and ride ?

 

[White Heather]

I no the new station is going to be a Park and Ride as well, but I drive trains on the Harrogate Line and where the station is planned to be will be one heck of a task to build it in that location due to the railway entering a cutting, they be better off spending the money on something like the Luton Dart from Horsforth station, and advertise Horsforth station as LBA aswell, Horsforth also has the advantage there is a turn back siding so more trains can be run to Horsforth and the signalling between Leeds and Horsforth is set up to run more trains but after Horsforth the signalling is a different set up, also is there demand for a park and ride ?

But there's no space at Horsforth for additional parking, getting in and out of the station car park is a total nightmare, (and dangerous) , Station Road is incredibly busy and congested, and the Council are planning to close the quickest way to the airport (Scotland Lane) off to through traffic . Horsforth simply isn't the solution.

The station itself wont be in the cutting. Just the platforms, each served by a lift and bridge. This location will also provide an additional station serving the Cookridge area which has recently seen a large new build housing development within 5 minutes of this station location. It's over a mile walk from there to Horsforth - a much over used station during the rush hour .

 

[Seasider]

Good news about the buses!
Just booked the train to get to LBA when we go to Guernsey at the end of August, so the changes will affect us when we get back.
You can't usually travel by train from the East Coast because you either can't get there to catch your flight, or can't get home afterwards. With the Aurigny flight timings, it is possible.
Never mind, I can always use my car and send some more Carbon Dioxide into the Atmosphere.

 

[White Heather]

Good news about the buses!
Just booked the train to get to LBA when we go to Guernsey at the end of August, so the changes will affect us when we get back.
You can't usually travel by train from the East Coast because you either can't get there to catch your flight, or can't get home afterwards. With the Aurigny flight timings, it is possible.
Never mind, I can always use my car and send some more Carbon Dioxide into the Atmosphere.

Look on the bright side. Your car emits less CO2 than a bus, especially a bus with not many people on it.

 

[Bigman]

Why is it that every time I use the A1 it is absolutely rammed with airport users. Sorry Transdev but you are in cloud cuckoo land if you think the buses aren't busy

 

[White Heather]

Why is it that every time I use the A1 it is absolutely rammed with airport users. Sorry Transdev but you are in cloud cuckoo land if you think the buses aren't busy

I must admit, most A1 buses I see are fairly full and well occupied even along Victoria Avenue on the last stretch into the airport. Doesn't seem long since they introduced more frequent services!