Road, Rail & Access Issues

[White Heather]

So the new terminal is closer to the parkway station....yes but by not by much it will still be a mile and a half away. the train needs to stop at the airport otherwise its a waste of money in my opinion.
I would love to see the new terminal built but I will believe it when I'm sat in there having a large cold beer.

Nowhere near a mile and a half away Offnt, not sure where you get that from. I live in this area and can assure you it is a lot closer than that from where the station will be built to the terminal. A mile and a half away would be virtually at Horsforth!

 

[KARFA]

Nowhere near a mile and a half away Offnt, not sure where you get that from. I live in this area and can assure you it is a lot closer than that from where the station will be built to the terminal. A mile and a half away would be virtually at Horsforth!

1.3 miles door to door from the proposed parkway station site and proposed new terminal front. This assumes the new link road in the plan between teh station and Scotland Lane and assuming shortest distance between Scotland Lane across the existing car parks.

 

[White Heather]

So the new terminal is closer to the parkway station....yes but by not by much it will still be a mile and a half away. the train needs to stop at the airport otherwise its a waste of money in my opinion.
I would love to see the new terminal built but I will believe it when I'm sat in there having a large cold beer.

As I suspected Offnt, you are some way off the mark with this claim. I have been on google map, and measured the distance between where the Parkway Station is planned to go, and where the new terminal is planned to be built, and the distance is 0.77 miles - so roughly half of what you are claiming. If anyone prefers metres, it is 1250m in a straight line - and as they would be building a new access road, a straight line is more than likely what they will build.

 

[KARFA]

0.43 miles from station site to Scotland Lane based on what was proposed.
0.77 miles along Scotland Lane
0.1 mile from Scotland Lane across the car parks to the new terminal front (assuming the most direct route between the two points)

= 1.3 miles total distance

 

[lbaspotter]

We have a great news day and still people find stuff to complain about.. unbelievable Jeff!

I give in, may as well just become a nimby.....

Ps: this was not aimed at any individual just a general feeling of my own.

 

[White Heather]

If it doesn’t go into or next to the airport WH it’s too far away in my opinion. This is a chance in a lifetime for LBA to get this 100% right (forget the runway for now fight2win)...imagine a family with kids or disabled people getting off a train with suitcases then getting onto a bus for a short journey to then take it all off again....pain in the arse it is.
So exactly how far is this Parkway Station now the terminal might be moved 800yds closer to it?

I have measured it exactly on google map and is 1250 metres - or 0.77 miles - about half of what you claimed.

From what I have seen and read, a direct train link simply cannot be built - end of. Not sure why us getting a new terminal is seen as a reason why this fact is overlooked. All parties wanted a direct train link and all parties understood that it wasn't viable - short of developing a rack and pinion railways system. Perhaps we should import some of that type of train from Switzerland just so they can run half a mile up to the airport? The terminal is still significantly higher up than the railway which is already in a deep cutting heading into Bramhope Tunnel, so climbing that distance in just over half a mile is not going to happen, even in a cutting. I hate to say it but we are talking about an airport with ambitions to have 7m passengers per year here, so whatever scheme they come up with has to be financially viable. Cost v Benefit and all that. Building a heavy rail link in a cutting which would have to be a dead end, will make no financial sense for the numbers who would use it, because it would be a rail terminus - there wouldn't/couldn't be through trains. Sorry but it just isn't viable unless they bring in the use of tram trains similar to those now in use in South Yorkshire - and somehow I think they will struggle with that too given we now have 3 Northern Trains an hour in each direction on that line with a number of LNER trains through to Kings Cross too.

Don't get me wrong - I wish we could have a direct train as much as anyone else, but the experts say can't be done, so unless some other experts come along with a cheap system that actually can be done, it isn't going to happen. For me, the big hope would be that since there is a general agreement with regard to building the employment hub at LBA, that, together with the airport, might be seen as an attractive destination for any next generation transport system that Leeds might get. Who knows, I might even live to see it!

 

[rmac]

I find it hard to imagine that getting off a train and onto a bus even with a family and suitcases is a "pain in the arse". People do it all the time when travelling, you take the car to the Long Stay car park and jump on a bus to get to the terminal, you may well do it at the other end when picking up the hire car. The buses themselves are equipped to allow easy movement of cases and bags and then you are dropped off right outside the terminal... what could be easier? And it is free! Ideally a train that goes right into the terminal, eg Stansted, is preferable but we have to live in the real world.

 

[White Heather]

1.3 miles door to door from the proposed parkway station site and proposed new terminal front. This assumes the new link road in the plan between teh station and Scotland Lane and assuming shortest distance between Scotland Lane across the existing car parks.

Where do you get that from KARFA?? It is nowhere near. As I just posted it is 0.77 miles in a straight line, as per google maps. (or 1250 metres). The Parkway Station is proposed to go at the entrance to the Bramhope Tunnel, not in Horsforth! As the airport own the land to the NW of Scotland Lane, they can just build an access road to the terminal so that transfer buses can more or less travel in a straight line to the terminal. They shouldn't need to go all the way down Scotland Lane and then double back to go to the terminal.

 

[Heathrowflyer]

Where is the proposed Parkway section of the Bramhope tunnel please? Where the chimney is ? I'm struggling to picture where it is.

 

[White Heather]

Where is the proposed Parkway section of the Bramhope tunnel please? Where the chimney is ? I'm struggling to picture where it is.

It is proposed to be built shortly before the rail line enters the Bramhope Tunnel, at the Horsforth end.

 

[lbaspotter]

Where is the proposed Parkway section of the Bramhope tunnel please? Where the chimney is ? I'm struggling to picture where it is.

Just to answer you question @Heathrowflyer here is the distance between the new planned £150 million Terminal Building and the Proposed Airport Parkway Rail station shown on a map for you to prove @White Heather is correct with he map readings..

 

[Finger66]

What airport Jeff...never saw it, is there an airport near
Leeds?....I turned around and it was built Jeff.

Is this classed as a Kammy O appearance Offint?

 

[AirBingley]

If this was Switzerland there would be a funicular DLR type arrangement which you get onto and are delivered directly to the terminal building - electrically powered and sitting comfortably with the footprint aim - surely at less than smile this needs costing as some of the DLR includes look more like roller coaster rides!

 

[XEROX]

If this was Switzerland there would be a funicular DLR type arrangement which you get onto and are delivered directly to the terminal building - electrically powered and sitting comfortably with the footprint aim - surely at less than smile this needs costing as some of the DLR includes look more like roller coaster rides!

The optics of having, possibly one of the most modern and greenest terminals in the UK.....to only have rail passengers ferried by busses seem contradicting!! Electrical seems logical. As Count Carter said last week...we need an "ambitious” solutions "

 

[White Heather]

The optics of having, possibly one of the most modern and greenest terminals in the UK.....to only have rail passengers ferried by busses seem contradicting!! Electrical seems logical. As Count Carter said last week...we need an "ambitious” solutions "

We do - and in the short term it may turn out to be electric shuttle buses - but we cannot wait for this ambitious solution. We need to get the terminal built first and then sort out something more ambitious, because you can be sure that such a scheme won't be ready in 3 years time!

 

[Heathrowflyer]

To be honest you could probably walk it. Very close now terminal moved. Assuming there will be a road built via Scotland Lane and roads widened ...all workable. Speaking to a rail enthusiast friend they could limit parking at the new Parkway to ensure that its predominantly used for the airport and thus not clogging up those very narrow roads around it with park and ride commuters to Leeds.

 

[markietg]

Manchester Airport train station doesn’t go directly into the terminal either. Think about if you’re flying Ryanair from T3 with cases. Get off the train and walk up the ramp or lift to the booking office level, then another lift to the walkway level. Then walkway to T1/3. Lift down to T1 arrivals level. Walk outside up a slight hill to T3. Lift up to the check in areas. With cases I would say this would take at least 20-30mins. Give me a transfer bus from a Parkway station anyday!

 

[Aviador]

Really....tell that to a family with suitcases, utter nonsence.

As was mentioned previously the Manchester distance from its station is further.

 

[Heathrowflyer]

I agree but it's as good as we'll get in terms of rail proximity.

 

[leedslad]

I find it hard to imagine that getting off a train and onto a bus even with a family and suitcases is a "pain in the arse". People do it all the time when travelling, you take the car to the Long Stay car park and jump on a bus to get to the terminal, you may well do it at the other end when picking up the hire car. The buses themselves are equipped to allow easy movement of cases and bags and then you are dropped off right outside the terminal... what could be easier? And it is free! Ideally a train that goes right into the terminal, eg Stansted, is preferable but we have to live in the real world.

Nah it would definitely put me off...

You're forgetting all the transfers to get just to the new Parkway. Let's assume I don't live adjacent to a suburban railway station...

Walk to local station
Wait
Board with bags
Disembark Leeds City centre
Cross Leeds Station across multiple platforms
Wait
Board train to LBA with bags
Disembark Parkway
Wait
Board bus with bags
Disembark

It's just another unnecessary hassle and makes thr journey that bit longer and harder...