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Re: British Midland International (BMI)
£102 is actually quite reasonable, although I second your point whoshotjimmi that the country could do with an extremely cheap alternative against Bmi and even FlyBe, as they can be very expensive at times..
£102 is actually quite reasonable, although I second your point whoshotjimmi that the country could do with an extremely cheap alternative against Bmi and even FlyBe, as they can be very expensive at times..
White Heather
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Re: British Midland International (BMI)
I wouldn't have thought they would need much of a lead in for FRA, particularly if they are using something like an E145 or E135.
I wouldn't have thought they would need much of a lead in for FRA, particularly if they are using something like an E145 or E135.
Re: British Midland International (BMI)
I agree, however Lufthansa could be just being cautious with the new opening of routes. It must be a couple of years ago since BmiRegional/Lufthansa actually announced some sort of new routes, so they have reason to be cautious!
If the route works well at EMA then the aircraft will easily be upgraded to an A319/320, and lets hope the same sort of pattern follows at LBA.
I agree, however Lufthansa could be just being cautious with the new opening of routes. It must be a couple of years ago since BmiRegional/Lufthansa actually announced some sort of new routes, so they have reason to be cautious!
If the route works well at EMA then the aircraft will easily be upgraded to an A319/320, and lets hope the same sort of pattern follows at LBA.
markietg
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I think 2 things have changed into LBA's favour over a possible FRA route. The first is 3 new UK routes to FRA are to be launched this winter with LH/BD. LGW, ABZ and now EMA. The second is that EMA is nearer to BHX than LBA is to MAN. BHX has LH flights already to FRA.
I think 2 things have changed into LBA's favour over a possible FRA route. The first is 3 new UK routes to FRA are to be launched this winter with LH/BD. LGW, ABZ and now EMA. The second is that EMA is nearer to BHX than LBA is to MAN. BHX has LH flights already to FRA.
whoshotjimmi
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On the other hand, EMA does NOT have a KLM link to Amsterdam - that would be the competition.
On the other hand, EMA does NOT have a KLM link to Amsterdam - that would be the competition.
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I don't think this has been mentioned on here before. I learnt today the bmi service to Edinburgh is suspended, can anybody confirm this?
I don't think this has been mentioned on here before. I learnt today the bmi service to Edinburgh is suspended, can anybody confirm this?
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That can't be right Aviador as flights are bookable to Edinburgh, Glasgow and Brussels on the http://www.flybmi.com website plus all bmi's Mondays flights are still showing on the LBA live arrivals and departure pages.
Plus if that was true i think it would be doing the rounds everywhere by now.
I think you may be on about the Eastern Airways Southampton/Teeside service which was suspended / well last operated yesterday afternoon.
Aviador said:
That can't be right Aviador as flights are bookable to Edinburgh, Glasgow and Brussels on the http://www.flybmi.com website plus all bmi's Mondays flights are still showing on the LBA live arrivals and departure pages.
Plus if that was true i think it would be doing the rounds everywhere by now.
I think you may be on about the Eastern Airways Southampton/Teeside service which was suspended / well last operated yesterday afternoon.
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http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/yorks...-_Daily_E-mail
BMI backs Leeds-Bradford
5th September 2011
By James Reed - Deputy Editor, Yorkshire
AIRLINE BMI has paid tribute to the changes being made at Leeds-Bradford Airport and is looking for opportunities to offer new routes.
The airline is celebrating the tenth anniversary of its Brussels service and is hoping to capitalise on its increasing importance as a business destination.
It has also added new connecting services to destinations including Berlin, Hamburg and Stockholm.
Steve Griffiths, business director at BMI, said: "We are very happy with the changes that have been made. The Premier Lounge is a very good product and that's what we are about.
"We want to partner with airports that have the same core values as us which centre on quality and being hassle-free.
"We are working with Leeds-Bradford and if there are other opportunities we can identify from this airport then we will grab them."
http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/yorks...-_Daily_E-mail
BMI backs Leeds-Bradford
5th September 2011
By James Reed - Deputy Editor, Yorkshire
AIRLINE BMI has paid tribute to the changes being made at Leeds-Bradford Airport and is looking for opportunities to offer new routes.
The airline is celebrating the tenth anniversary of its Brussels service and is hoping to capitalise on its increasing importance as a business destination.
It has also added new connecting services to destinations including Berlin, Hamburg and Stockholm.
Steve Griffiths, business director at BMI, said: "We are very happy with the changes that have been made. The Premier Lounge is a very good product and that's what we are about.
"We want to partner with airports that have the same core values as us which centre on quality and being hassle-free.
"We are working with Leeds-Bradford and if there are other opportunities we can identify from this airport then we will grab them."
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The link you have provided user001, doesn't seem to be working - for me anyway...
Nevertheless, promising news for LBA. I think a lot of people on here will be thinking the same as me, that BMI are not the 'preferred' airline to operate business routes, in mind Frankfurt etc. with their pricey fares but I'm sure it will be very welcomed for onward connections...
The link you have provided user001, doesn't seem to be working - for me anyway...
Nevertheless, promising news for LBA. I think a lot of people on here will be thinking the same as me, that BMI are not the 'preferred' airline to operate business routes, in mind Frankfurt etc. with their pricey fares but I'm sure it will be very welcomed for onward connections...
whoshotjimmi
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I think a little bit of persepective is needed here.
We are talking about an airline that once had a fairly large base at LBA that has been scaled back to the very bare minimum. Losses over the last few years include Paris, Cork, London, Copenhagen, Lille and huge reductions in frequencies on the Scottish routes.
Brussels remains the poor European relation with regards to onward connections and will continue to be so. Indeed, it would be faster and cheaper to travel to the destinations mentioned from Manchester, including the journey to the airport. The days of BMI as a major force in this country are over and we will see them increasingly catering to the connections market from regional airports (they are perfect for UK-FRA routes).
The article mentions the fact that they are happy with LBA and the product matches its "core values". It is just a pity that these "core values" are not the same as those of the majority of the world we now live in.
I hate to cast a shadow over what seems to be a positive article but the whole thing is standard PR language to make them appear committed to LBA despite not having anything in the pipeline and having gutted their routes from the airport in recent times. Indeed, the article only exists due to the anniversary of the Brussels route. It is nice to hear that they have nice things to say about the airport.
But words can mean so little.
I think a little bit of persepective is needed here.
We are talking about an airline that once had a fairly large base at LBA that has been scaled back to the very bare minimum. Losses over the last few years include Paris, Cork, London, Copenhagen, Lille and huge reductions in frequencies on the Scottish routes.
Brussels remains the poor European relation with regards to onward connections and will continue to be so. Indeed, it would be faster and cheaper to travel to the destinations mentioned from Manchester, including the journey to the airport. The days of BMI as a major force in this country are over and we will see them increasingly catering to the connections market from regional airports (they are perfect for UK-FRA routes).
The article mentions the fact that they are happy with LBA and the product matches its "core values". It is just a pity that these "core values" are not the same as those of the majority of the world we now live in.
I hate to cast a shadow over what seems to be a positive article but the whole thing is standard PR language to make them appear committed to LBA despite not having anything in the pipeline and having gutted their routes from the airport in recent times. Indeed, the article only exists due to the anniversary of the Brussels route. It is nice to hear that they have nice things to say about the airport.
But words can mean so little.
a300boy
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whoshotjimmy
I could not agree with your post more.
Its just PR rubbish with no substance or value.
whoshotjimmy
I could not agree with your post more.
Its just PR rubbish with no substance or value.
White Heather
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I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that BMi pull off the GLA and EDI routes any time. In fact, the appearance of LOG flights to and from GLA on the airport website arrivals and departures (none of which have operated as far as I can see, as they were removed today), could be a sign of things to come, because the airport has occasionally, in the past, loaded forthcoming flights into the system and they have been shown, when actually they are services to operated in the future and shouldn't have shown. There are 3 LOG flights to and from GLA shown tomorrow, and apparently for the rest of the week, but these are not going to be operating and it seems likely that tomorrow, just like today, they will be removed.
I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that BMi pull off the GLA and EDI routes any time. In fact, the appearance of LOG flights to and from GLA on the airport website arrivals and departures (none of which have operated as far as I can see, as they were removed today), could be a sign of things to come, because the airport has occasionally, in the past, loaded forthcoming flights into the system and they have been shown, when actually they are services to operated in the future and shouldn't have shown. There are 3 LOG flights to and from GLA shown tomorrow, and apparently for the rest of the week, but these are not going to be operating and it seems likely that tomorrow, just like today, they will be removed.
whoshotjimmi
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I personally think losing BMI from these routes are exactly what they need to be reinvigorated. I am just a little sceptical as to how Loganair would operate the route. Do they have enough aircraft for 3 flights a day? And then what about Edinburgh? I am also a little concerned about the apparent timing of the morning flight. It arrives an hour too late for my liking.
Still, in theory, 3 Saab 340's a day on each route sounds good to me - an increase in capacity over what is available now - and an affiliation with FlyBe which could lead to further expansion, both on the routes concerned and the possibility of new routes.
I believe we are heading more towards a hub and spoke world where BMI feed FRA, BA to LHR, KLM to AMS, Air France (and affiliates) to CDG and Air Nostrum are now looking to the UK for MAD. That will leave FlyBe and Eastern on the domestic scene and the Loco's on Eurpean routes. In my eyes, it is efficient, cost effective and all the airlines would harmonise. The larger airports such as MAN and LGW will have the pick of the world flights as before and the smaller airports will occasionally see forays into the world market.
Obviously, these are the areas for growth and development at LBA if at all possible. However, I do not see how the majority of that would fit into BMI's portfolio and I would not be at all surprised to see BMI pull off the Brussels route if FRA were announced from LBA.
I personally think losing BMI from these routes are exactly what they need to be reinvigorated. I am just a little sceptical as to how Loganair would operate the route. Do they have enough aircraft for 3 flights a day? And then what about Edinburgh? I am also a little concerned about the apparent timing of the morning flight. It arrives an hour too late for my liking.
Still, in theory, 3 Saab 340's a day on each route sounds good to me - an increase in capacity over what is available now - and an affiliation with FlyBe which could lead to further expansion, both on the routes concerned and the possibility of new routes.
I believe we are heading more towards a hub and spoke world where BMI feed FRA, BA to LHR, KLM to AMS, Air France (and affiliates) to CDG and Air Nostrum are now looking to the UK for MAD. That will leave FlyBe and Eastern on the domestic scene and the Loco's on Eurpean routes. In my eyes, it is efficient, cost effective and all the airlines would harmonise. The larger airports such as MAN and LGW will have the pick of the world flights as before and the smaller airports will occasionally see forays into the world market.
Obviously, these are the areas for growth and development at LBA if at all possible. However, I do not see how the majority of that would fit into BMI's portfolio and I would not be at all surprised to see BMI pull off the Brussels route if FRA were announced from LBA.
Bigman
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I think you are spot on whoshotjimmi.
The other advantage with Loganair is that they can offer connections to a whole array of Scottish Islands, which would open up new market potential. Tourism to the Scottish Islands seems to be thriving as I found on a recent trip to Arran.
I think you are spot on whoshotjimmi.
The other advantage with Loganair is that they can offer connections to a whole array of Scottish Islands, which would open up new market potential. Tourism to the Scottish Islands seems to be thriving as I found on a recent trip to Arran.
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I think whoshotjimmi has presented a well reasoned piece here. It all fits logically together and makes sense.
There I think is the flaw.
Since when did logic and reasoning ever have anything to do with anything?
I think whoshotjimmi has presented a well reasoned piece here. It all fits logically together and makes sense.
There I think is the flaw.
Since when did logic and reasoning ever have anything to do with anything?
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Maybe Bmi should have a Glasgow-Leeds- Frankfurt service as GLA -FRA is fairly poor, i.e no direct route, either Flybe via SOU or BA via T5 and the timings are not great either. If BMi come off the GLA -LBA Loganair/Flybe could offer a GLA-FRA- via LBA twice daily.
Maybe Bmi should have a Glasgow-Leeds- Frankfurt service as GLA -FRA is fairly poor, i.e no direct route, either Flybe via SOU or BA via T5 and the timings are not great either. If BMi come off the GLA -LBA Loganair/Flybe could offer a GLA-FRA- via LBA twice daily.
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The Businessdesk article.
It's clearly an attempt at trying to obtain free publicity for the airline. We've seen this kind of publicity many times before with various airlines and airports usually in a last ditched attempt to bolster passenger numbers. Some airlines on the otherhand have 'a dab hand' at it and they use this mechanism to advertise routinely and on many occasions even bad press is seen as good.
With regards to BMI Edinburgh and Glasgow flights.
It's a sad state of affairs when BMI cannot sustain proper business flight between cities the size of Leeds, Glasgow and Edinburgh. BMI have neglected LBA and other regional airports through their own ignorance and apparent lack of ability to understand the market they serve. Their obsession with London Heathrow has done them no favours whatsoever. They have done more business plan U-turns than the politicians with more brand and name changes than I care to remember, none of which have made any difference.
Frankfurt?
I would love to see Frankfurt served, but will BMI just make a total balls of it?
The Businessdesk article.
It's clearly an attempt at trying to obtain free publicity for the airline. We've seen this kind of publicity many times before with various airlines and airports usually in a last ditched attempt to bolster passenger numbers. Some airlines on the otherhand have 'a dab hand' at it and they use this mechanism to advertise routinely and on many occasions even bad press is seen as good.
With regards to BMI Edinburgh and Glasgow flights.
It's a sad state of affairs when BMI cannot sustain proper business flight between cities the size of Leeds, Glasgow and Edinburgh. BMI have neglected LBA and other regional airports through their own ignorance and apparent lack of ability to understand the market they serve. Their obsession with London Heathrow has done them no favours whatsoever. They have done more business plan U-turns than the politicians with more brand and name changes than I care to remember, none of which have made any difference.
Frankfurt?
I would love to see Frankfurt served, but will BMI just make a total balls of it?
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