Archive Spotting Movements Log & Heads Up

[bobleeds]

Saw it on approach from my home in Horsforth looked a little high. On the Multiflight Webcam it went past very fast with nosewheel still in the air - Very scary - I was worried until it taxied back some minutes later

 

[a300boy]

These are the sort of days that explain why responsible operators see the severe limitation our runway presents and choose not to come here. Imagine if it was a B777 and landing on runway 14. Sad but I dont think we will ever see large aircraft operating on a regular basis from here again unless the A350 or B787 come to our rescue. I am convinced PIA management decided to replace the A310 with a B777-200 and the operations section said no way ! Hope I am proved wrong on both counts.

 

[Daviator]

A300 Boy, where did it touch down, out of interest, as all the near overrun incidents of large serviceable aircraft have landed long on a wet runway with a good load on board, with the TriStar incident as an obvious one. I have seen an Air Atlanta 747-200 do a superb landing on a flooded 14, right on the touchdown markings, and stop before taxiway Delta. The other one that got me worried was the Corsair 747-200 in 1996 on a dry runway which touched down some 300m past touchdown point, and threw everything at it to stop. This one I videod, and would like to put it on here if I could get it off VHS!
Also have a vid of an Atlanta 747-200 use every inch of 32 to get airborne on a Leeds United charter to Milan I think.
Probably a non-event for the crews on board, but as a private pilot myself, got the blood going!

 

[a300boy]

I could not see the touchdown point from my bathroom window but as bobleeds reported it still had the nosewheel off the ground when it was approaching the taxiway N intersection. I am not knocking the crew in any way it would have been a difficult crosswind and wet runway landing for anyone. My point is there is little spare runway left for large heavy aircraft especially with crew who are operating to Leeds for the first time. Had it once when I diverted here from Manchester in the 1990s in a B727-200. After stopping the captain who had never landed at Leeds before said to me : pretty short runway this: to which I replied, it is when you land half way down it.

 

[Aviador]

Similarly to the discussion in the this thread, the runways current limitations are not related to the physical length of concrete but to where the touchdown zones are. 2250m of concrete isn't a bad length if more of it could be used.

 

[White Heather]

It might have been pouring with rain when the 767 landed but the wind was very light - almost calm in fact, so there should have been no crosswind issues for the crew to contend with - unless the wind was blowing in Yeadon and calm in Cookridge, which seems unlikely. If this landing was as described, It seems like a perfect example of the crew allowing the a/c to drift down the slope with a resultant late touch down and less than half the runway left to stop a large heavy a/c. I would think the people in the tower might well have had their fingers hovering over the emergency alarm button.

That said, there was an a/c waiting to take off on 32 so almost certainly the crew would have been told to taxi into the loop and wait until it had departed, so they may have just allowed the a/c to run down to the end anyway (I am trying to be charitable to them here!). I guess the key is whether they still had full reverse thrust on to the very end or whether they had disengaged it. Could you you see/hear if they still had reverse thrust selected A300boy?

Lets hope the 2nd one in the morning makes a better job of the landing.

 

[a300boy]

Re: Spotting Movemearly ents Log & Heads Up

Very True Aviador !! I do not think issues like these are very high on our managements agenda due the cost involved as has been discussed. I am sure they would have liked a 10000 ft runway but they are unlikely to fund one even if it was possible.
I dont know about the crosswind as I had just woke up I I just assumed it would be around 230/15 to 20 Kts as it was last night. I had set my alarm to see it land and as it was early I had no time to listen to Atc and just managed to catch it landing through the window. I can assure you letting it roll to the end was not an option. stopping from around 60 Kts was the only thing on their mind with around 100m to go to the end. It pulled up to a stop very quickly and I bet the passengers were left hanging on their seat belts. Dont forget thrust reverse is pretty ineffective below 80 Kts so brakes are your best option. The B727-200 had a nose wheel braking system which only came into use if you needed to brake heavily so the B767 may have a similar system fitted, it certainly seemed to get some extra braking impetus at the critical moment.

 

[a300boy]

Gulfstream 4 N371FP has just landed.

 

[lbaspotter]

Also had Royal Air Force, Agusta Westland EH101 Merlin HC3, ZJ121 circling over the airfield earlier at around 15:45.

 

[a300boy]

Anyone know if the arrivals board is accurate as its showing the Business Air flight from Medina arriving at 0146 so I thought I might stay up and see it land again. However I have had a good look around the Med on Flightradar24 and I cannot see any sign of it.

 

[a300boy]

Forget that post its just popped up south of Heraklion. HS-BIH again.

 

[muscleboy33]

Keen lba fan and new member here. Lived in yeadon and guiseley all my life and always support lba. So when they going to add 300metres more concrete or take the 32 touchdown point back a few hundred metres to the flat section of the runway with catll added to 14? This has to be done to solve most the runway probs and for the airport to expand, fact!

 

[muscleboy33]

Made a special trip upto lba in the early hrs to see the buisness air 767 land. V.early touchdown on 32 and was at a stop by the tunnel but he let it roll down to the loop!

 

[a300boy]

i agree ! an excellent approach and landing. If you were listening to the Atc at the time the crew member had a very british voice and my ex colleague who is now a B767 captain tells me they have a lot of ex-pat crew members who know Lbia well. i suspect this crew were one of them.

 

[SNOWMAN]

i agree ! an excellent approach and landing. If you were listening to the Atc at the time the crew member had a very british voice and my ex colleague who is now a B767 captain tells me they have a lot of ex-pat crew members who know Lbia well. i suspect this crew were one of them.

high 300 boy
the 767 captain quoted above could this be pc if so where is he now? and who is he flying for.i have known him from his bandit days.
regards
sm1 :hatsoff:

 

[lbaspotter]

I was just thinking of the same P.C as you snownman1.
! Would make sence seen as he was also the person who brought the swefly 767 operation in all them years ago and he knows LBA operational problems very well.

Hopefully Business Air will be back at LBA for next year's Hajj operation. That's if they haven't fallen out with Skyfly Connections too much?

 

[a300boy]

No PC is who I spoke to yesterday and he is flying out of Malpensa for one of the Italian operators Blue Panorama I think. Its some friends of his who were with him at Alitalia and Air Italy.

 

[SNOWMAN]

3oo boy
thanks for the info ref pc.
sm1

 

[lbaspotter]

It look like the Hermes/Air Mediterranee Airbus 321, F-GYAN thats due to operate the last inbound Hajj flight from Madinah has been delayed.

The airport website arrivals and departures now have it listed as follows: HRM9700 is now due in at 01:15 tomorrow morning with the outbound HRM664F due to position out to Athens as at 02:05

 

[User0001]

Keen lba fan and new member here. Lived in yeadon and guiseley all my life and always support lba. So when they going to add 300metres more concrete or take the 32 touchdown point back a few hundred metres to the flat section of the runway with catll added to 14? This has to be done to solve most the runway probs and for the airport to expand, fact!

Not fact. Vast majority of passenger leakage is on short- haul business and leisure. Long haul leakage can be addressed by getting the LHR service to work better, increased capacity with KLM (already happening) and trying to get new services to other hub airports (lots of effort going on here).