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Actually if domestic APD is cut
Its the " if ".Jerry and a big if.. In the current climate (no pun intended) it would be a very brave government that enouraged any flying let alone short haul.
As for Easy why get involved when others are doing it for them. They have always seemed to have a bit more class than others when dealing with the media .
 
I can only assume that the banks of state aid lawyers at Whitehall said this was okay...in which case...no case.

In 2016 when the Northern Ireland Government tried to give United Airlines £9 million to keep open the Belfast-Newark route the European Commission declared it illegal because under EU state aid rules public authorities are not allowed to grant a specific airline an 'undue advantage'.

Although that seemed obvious illegal state aid even before the EC's decision I assume that legal advice to the NI Government was that it might sneak past which, if that was the case, seemed dubious advice at the very least. If the EC does launch an investigation into the Flybe APD deferment they might of course differentiate it from the United situation, although prima facie it does seem that Flybe has been given an advantage over other airlines but it might not be thought an undue advantage.
 
Flybe owners seek £100m government loan

Flybe's owners are trying to borrow £100m as a short-term loan from the government.

Connect Airways has also agreed to put £20m extra cash into its troubled regional airline, according to sources.

The company confirmed last week it was seeking a loan on "commercial" terms but not how much it wanted to borrow.

At the time Flybe boss Mark Anderson told staff it had had "difficult days" but still had "a great future". He said the loan would not be a bailout.

That would be on top of the £30m already promised.

News of the amount being sought by Flybe was first reported by the Financial Times newspaper. The airline declined to comment.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51244308
 
Its the " if ".Jerry and a big if.. In the current climate (no pun intended) it would be a very brave government that enouraged any flying let alone short haul.
As for Easy why get involved when others are doing it for them. They have always seemed to have a bit more class than others when dealing with the media .
During a recent Commons debate regarding the Flybe situation the government acknowledged airports especially regional airports have an important role to play with the country's economic prosperity.
 
Reported today they are looking for a £100m government loan to see them through the winter on top of the tax deferment.
Makes you wonder about the consortium that recently bought this mess and there true motives.
The situation cannot possbly be a surprise to them.
If it is they might as well shut it down now.
 
The situation cannot possbly be a surprise to them.
If it is they might as well shut it down now.
According to the Flybe CEO, the amount of money Flybe requires was a surprise to them. As for shutting it down that would be extremely bad for the UK aviation scene costing 1000s of jobs. I suspect the UK government will grant the loan and then try and develop a strategy to have in place to keep Flybe's network going in the future if the loan doesn't help them to survive.
 
According to the Flybe CEO, the amount of money Flybe requires was a surprise to them. As for shutting it down that would be extremely bad for the UK aviation scene costing 1000s of jobs. I suspect the UK government will grant the loan and then try and develop a strategy to have in place to keep Flybe's network going in the future if the loan doesn't help them to survive.
There was an article in the I newspaper calling for the closure of regional airports.....ugh! I might be a strong advocate for saving the planet and only flying if necessary but even I can see how daft that will be!

As far as I see thinks Flybe are in the same bracket at loganair....public transport....and pan European at that.
 
still no sign of Dusseldorf for summer....... must be a bit late now to release the flights now :cry:

so Flybe will only operate to Berlin in Germany this summer, with no Hamburg and Hanover.

Will there be no flights to Stuttgart as well Matt ?
 
There was an article in the I newspaper calling for the closure of regional airports.....ugh!
I've seen the argument elsewhere that the UK only needs the London airports, Birmingham, Manchester, Bristol and Edinburgh and that small airports like Cardiff should be shut down but i guess it's generally from people who don't have to travel or can travel easily. In the end there is demand for many of the smaller airports but they probably need more help than the bigger ones from the government. I don't think it helps that many of these articles are written by London based journalists that have excellent transport links whether by air or land.
 
According to the Flybe CEO, the amount of money Flybe requires was a surprise to them.
Doesn't say much for the consortium then.

Who'd want to lend money to an organisation that apparently was sold a pup so easily? What happend to their due diligence?

Caveat Emptor!
 
Doesn't say much for the consortium then.

Who'd want to lend money to an organisation that apparently was sold a pup so easily? What happend to their due diligence?

Caveat Emptor!
Yes it appears they underestimated the task ahead.
 
Having Virgin Connect and showing Richard Brandson who already knows about Birmingham their is demand for Virgin Atlantic he would succeed they are planning Manchester flights to more destinations. We could show how successful Birmingham could be as another hub for Virgin Atlantic as he opens travel shops in midlands as well. Lets keep fingers crossed he will see we mean real business
https://www.virgin.com/news/virgin-atlantic-announces-more-flights-manchester
 
I suspect the UK government will grant the loan and then try and develop a strategy to have in place to keep Flybe's network going in the future if the loan doesn't help them to survive.
Their network is already being decimated.Are you suggesting the government should create a nationalised airline to link UK cities?
As for European routes forget it.
If the routes can make money airlines will serve them.If not well that is the way it is today and unfortunately smaller airports will suffer.
Look at EASY and their slowly slowy catchy monkey strategy for the BHX Scotland routes. They can see what is developing.
 
Will there be no flights to Stuttgart as well Matt ?

Ooops!! :oops: forgot about Stuttgart!! 2 German Cities then!! (y)

Having Virgin Connect and showing Richard Brandson who already knows about Birmingham their is demand for Virgin Atlantic he would succeed they are planning Manchester flights to more destinations. We could show how successful Birmingham could be as another hub for Virgin Atlantic as he opens travel shops in midlands as well. Lets keep fingers crossed he will see we mean real business
https://www.virgin.com/news/virgin-atlantic-announces-more-flights-manchester

Virgin Atlantic at Birmingham??? more chance of me winning the lottery!!!! :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
I’m afraid virgin have no interest in BHX & never have, many years ago Richard said if BA pulled out of transatlantic flights from the regions Virgin would step in...... they only did from Man
It’s odd really as virgin rail next door would of made
 
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Virgin rail next door would of made it perfect for them to appeal to the masses & cover most of the country with system like swissair/swiss rail did.
 
I've seen the argument elsewhere that the UK only needs the London airports, Birmingham, Manchester, Bristol and Edinburgh and that small airports like Cardiff should be shut down

That will be the CEOs of the larger airports suggesting that will it? It's a ridiculous idea. Imagine the CO2 uplift with all the additional car journeys to these larger airports?
 
That will be the CEOs of the larger airports suggesting that will it? It's a ridiculous idea. Imagine the CO2 uplift with all the additional car journeys to these larger airports?
About 15 years ago some prominent person in aviation suggested that Great Britain being a small island had far too many airports and only needed eight. He named the eight but I can't remember what they were, any more than I can remember who the person was. I know it caused a lot of chat in aviation websites at the time although there weren't as many then nor as many people on the Internet.

I think we probably have got too many airports but the problem is that they tended to come into existence piecemeal. In the 20s and 30s there were a number of civic airports or aerodromes brought about by civic pride. Some still exist or have been moved to nearby sites in the areas concerned. Other airports were built on the site of redundant military airfields post WW2.

It was almost a scattergun approach with every town or city of any size wanting its own airport but with little joined-up national planning.
 
It would leave many areas isolated with people having to do long car journeys but some people don't really seem to care about that.
 
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