Flybe

[mdobuk21]

Got an actual photo of it departing from Nethermoor (guiseley).

 

[Easy289]

Collectors item!

 

[Len Fish]

Obviously a scheduling error by a new member of staff!

 

[Starflyer]

They are definitely not remedy slots (hence my question). Remedy slots were available only for a handful of routes and these were not the ones currently operated by BE.

They are remedy slots and I'd suggest that you might like to read the remedies before disputing it.

There is a provision in the competition remedies that if you operated the slots on a designated route (Aberdeen and Edinburgh in this case) for six consecutive seasons (three years) then you could thereafter use them on any short-haul route of your choosing or a very limited range of long-haul routes. This is in clause 1.3 of the Commitments (1.3.1 and 1.3.2). So you fly ABZ-LHR and EDI-LHR for three years then can fly LBA-LHR with those slots thereafter if you wish.

The prohibition on being able to sell or trade the slots is in clause 1.3.7.

If you have operated remedy slots on the specified routes (Aberdeen and Edinburgh here) for more than a year, you can then apply for any unused remedy slots to serve other short-haul routes of your choosing, which is how Flybe 1 obtained slots for LHR-NQY. (Clause 1.13).

An EU decision deemed Flybe 2 as the corporate successor to Flybe 1, so all of the operations undertaken by Flybe 1 established the basis for Flybe 2 to retain the slots. It was not required to use them given the various Covid-19 waivers on slot use.

 

[KARFA]

Thank you.

My understanding had been these slots were returned when Flybe 1 went bust, albeit the EU seems to have saved them in the dying days of our membership. I also understood Flybe 2 did lease slots from BA - so it is not clear to me whether they actually have a mixture of remedy and leased slots.

Administrators look to claim cash from new Flybe company

Administrators for old Flybe, now named FBE Realisations, may make a claim depending on performance of new Flybe Ltd company which has yet to start services

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Also would you mind clarifying your comments on sale of these slots - you mention above there is a prohibition but you also posted before that they were operating routes pending a sale

The only reasons AMS, BHD and LBA were chosen as destinations for LHR were that Flybe have seven daily slots to cover at Heathrow and needed routes to do it until such time as they can achieve a sale of those slots. This route hasn't even got a short term future let alone a long term one. I'd not spend too much time discussing ifs, buts and maybes around it.

 

[White Heather]

This morning's Flybe from BHD operated too, landing early too!

 

[Finger66]

Maybe the LBA charts have been found again in the Flybe Locker Room!

 

[Starflyer]

My understanding had been these slots were returned when Flybe 1 went bust, albeit the EU seems to have saved them in the dying days of our membership. I also understood Flybe 2 did lease slots from BA - so it is not clear to me whether they actually have a mixture of remedy and leased slots.

Also would you mind clarifying your comments on sale of these slots - you mention above there is a prohibition but you also posted before that they were operating routes pending a sale

The remedy slots are British Airways' slots provided to another airline under a Slot Release Agreement, and BA is obliged to release those slots provided the other airline meets the criteria set out in the competition remedies. That agreement between Flybe 1 and British Airways was ported over to Flybe 2 with some intervention from the EU. All of the Heathrow slots which Flybe 2 has today are remedy slots released by BA to Flybe 1.

If you define a leased slot as one for which the airline owner has no use and voluntarily chooses to lend that slot to another airline, then none of Flybe's LHR slots fall into that category.

Flybe (1 or 2, the same applies) cannot sell the LHR slots as they're not theirs to sell. They have certain rights to use those slots under the Slot Release Agreement, which is based on the competition remedies. All that can happen is that Flybe 2 itself is sold as an entire company, in which case the rights to use those LHR slots would be included with that sale. The new buyer would be bound by the same terms in the Slot Release Agreement as today, since it would continue in force - unless the new buyer said that they no longer needed the Heathrow slots and gave proper notice to return them to BA.

 

[Finger66]

So perhaps that is what BE's owners are hoping for when they decide to sell - the LHR slots add value to the asking price. And that would make sense when people talk about them selling those slots. All that could be completely hypothetical if BE dont get their act together quickly, because if they dont there is going to be no airline to sell, let alone slots to sell

 

[lbaspotter]

Looks like Flybe are starting to load up summer 2023 schedule.

Leeds/Bradford - Belfast City = Looks to be at 20x weekly (3x daily Mon-Sat & 2x daily Sun)

Mondays to Fridays
BEE731 = BHD 07:05 - LBA 08:10 / BEE732 = LBA 08:45 - BHD 09:45
BEE735 = BHD 11:50 - LBA 12:50 / BEE736 = LBA 13:20 - BHD 14:20
BEE737 = BHD 15:40 - LBA 16:40 / BEE738 = LBA 17:25 - BHD 18:25
Saturdays
BEE731 = BHD 07:05 - LBA 08:10 / BEE732 = LBA 08:45 - BHD 09:45
BEE735 = BHD 11:50 - LBA 12:50 / BEE736 = LBA 13:20 - BHD 14:20
BEE735 = BHD 13:15 - LBA 14:15 / BEE736 = LBA 14:50 - BHD 15:50
Sundays
BEE735 = BHD 11:50 - LBA 12:50 / BEE736 = LBA 13:20 - BHD 14:20
BEE737 = BHD 15:40 - LBA 16:40 / BEE738 = LBA 17:25 - BHD 18:25

This will be subject to change over next few days..

 

[Seasider]

Am I being cynical, but it looks too optimistic to me.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

Am I being cynical, but it looks too optimistic to me.

Lets call it Aspirational.

 

[Finger66]

Lets call it Aspirational.

Maybe!!!!!!!!

 

[lbaspotter]

For what I've been told when the full summer 2023 schedule goes on sale it's all booked around the dates Flybe have been told when aircraft deliveries will be released into service.

By all accounts they have learnt a hard lesson, and are now playing hard ball with the leassors..

 

[flybe]

The schedule is now on sale with 3x daily BHD flights - evidently they were telling the truth about not having given up on LBA!

 

[Finger66]

So is that going to give us 6 a day between EI and BE on BHD? Mmmmmmmm!!

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So is that going to give us 6 a day between EI and BE on BHD? Mmmmmmmm!!

 

[oldendays]

Ironic that Leeds Bradford can manage multiple daily returns to Belfast and (in the summer) Palma but can't do Heathrow, Southampton, Glasgow and so on.

 

[Finger66]

For now at least.......

 

[Seasider]

BHD and PMI are across water, where trains can't compete.

 

[Finger66]

Am I right in thinking things have started to settle down in the last few weeks for BE?

And following on from that, has anyone heard any more on the vague rumours that Flybe may be going to reinstate some of our lost domestic routes?