Ryanair

[a300boy]

I did tell you this was going to happen some weeks ago !
Manchester is sucking us to death and we have no way of fighting them and the new owners of Lba are unable to see the battle is lost.

 

[Severn]

I did tell you this was going to happen some weeks ago !
Manchester is sucking us to death and we have no way of fighting them and the new owners of Lba are unable to see the battle is lost.

Interestingly, not all the dropped routes are operated from MAN.
There are no flights to Vilnus (VNO) from MAN, however Wizz Air operates 2x weekly from DSA and Ryanair operates 2x weekly from LPL.
Having said that, RYR operates all the other dropped routes from MAN throughout the Winter alongside easyJet, Jet2 and the other charter operators.

 

[louis_walton]

I did tell you this was going to happen some weeks ago !
Manchester is sucking us to death and we have no way of fighting them and the new owners of Lba are unable to see the battle is lost.

That's just not a good enough excuse. Leeds is a massive city and a massive financial hub if the routes become available with good frequencies pax would begin to choose LBA. Look at the AMS route 3x daily with KLM and very reliable, 252,180 travelled LBA-AMS (not excluding Jet2's offering) and have done for years because the route is reliable and established. However we don't have any other good connections apart from Dublin with Aer Lingus. Paris is a massive issue the same with Brussels and Frankfurt so on. The airport needs to not worry about holiday pax at the moment as they make up the majority of the passenger numbers. A real effort needs to be made to bring business pax into the airport as many would choose LBA if the frequencies were there but 4 flights to Paris a week suits no business man/woman. We know as a fact they would as many complain about the lack of flights.I know I have moaned about this issue lot's but I will until it's addressed.

 

[louis_walton]

However on another note this is a massive hit for LBA and the rest of the UK. However the warnings were there when we chose the leave the EU. The saddest part is I was routing for a Ryanair expansion as they have such a large route portfolio which LBA craves. Jet2 will now just gain more and more monopoly at the airport (which is already at an all time high). All I can say now is some orange would be great to save us and brighten up the place...

 

[IanFarquharson]

However on another note this is a massive hit for LBA and the rest of the UK. However the warnings were there when we chose the leave the EU. The saddest part is I was routing for a Ryanair expansion as they have such a large route portfolio which LBA craves. Jet2 will now just gain more and more monopoly at the airport (which is already at an all time high). All I can say now is some orange would be great to save us and brighten up the place...

Ryanairs issue is not leaving the EU it is the 737MAX deliveries, they just don't have the aircraft with older 738's leases coming to an end, and closing bases is a direct result.
With regard easyjet can BHX have its base first please ?

 

[lbaspotter]

3rd based aircraft final day of duty is November 5th 2019. Here's how the full schedule pans out now.

Monday
Based Aircraft 1
FR153 = LBA 06:30 – DUB 07:35 / FR152 = DUB 08:00 – LBA 09:05 (Oct 28th – Mar 23rd)
FR5041 = LBA 09:30 – BTS 12:55 / FR5042 = BTS 13:20 – LBA 14:55 (Oct 28th – Mar 23rd)
FR9079 = LBA 15:55 – ALC 19:35 / FR9078 = ALC 20:10 – LBA 22:10 (Oct 28th - Mar 23rd)
Based Aircraft 2
FR2446 = LBA 06:20 – AGP 10:25 / FR2447 = AGP 11:00 – LBA 13:10 (Oct 28th – Mar 23rd)
FR640 = LBA 14:15 – WRO 17:20 / FR641 = WRO 17:45 – LBA 19:00 (Dec 23rd – Jan 6th)
FR157 = LBA 19:25 – DUB 20:30 / FR156 = DUB 20:55 – LBA 21:55 (Oct 28th – Mar 23rd)
Based Aircraft 3
FR2503 = LBA 06:55 – FAO 09:50 / FR2504 = FAO 10:15 – LBA 13:20 (Oct 28th – Nov 4th)
FR5043 = LBA 14:30 – VNO 19:20 / FR5044 = VNO 19:45 – LBA 20:40 (Oct 28th – Nov 4th)
Non Based Aircraft
FR1504 = GDN 10:20 – LBA 11:45 / FR1503 = LBA 12:10 – GDN 15:25 (Oct 28th – Mar 23rd) Operated by Ryanair Sun
FR2324 = GRO 13:10 - LBA 14:25 / FR2325 = LBA 14:50 - GRO 18:10 (Oct 28th – Nov 4th)
FR4108 = WRO 18:30 – LBA 19:45 / FR4107 = LBA 20:10 – WRO 23:15 (Oct 28th – Mar 23rd) Operated by Ryanair Sun

Tuesday
Based Aircraft 1
FR153 = LBA 06:30 – DUB 07:35 / FR152 = DUB 08:00 – LBA 09:05 (Oct 29th – Mar 24th)
FR157 = LBA 13:50 – DUB 14:55 / FR156 = DUB 15:20 – LBA 16:20 (Dec 24th only)
FR2492 = LBA 12:00 – TFS 16:40 / FR2493 = TFS 17:15 – LBA 21:50 (Oct 29th – Dec 17th & Jan 7th – Mar 24th)
FR618 = LBA 16:50 - WMI 20:15 / FR619 = WMI 20:40 - LBA 22:20 (Dec 31st only)
Based Aircraft 2
FR618 = LBA 06:10 - WMI 09:35 / FR619 = WMI 10:00 - LBA 11:40 (Jan 7th only)
FR2492 = LBA 06:15 – TFS 10:55 / FR2493 = TFS 11:30 – LBA 16:05 (Dec 24th – Dec 31st)
FR2322 = LBA 12:30 – RMU 16:30 / FR2323 = RMU 17:05 – LBA 19:00 (Oct 29th – Nov 5th)
FR2482 = LBA 12:25 - RIX 17:05 / FR2483 = RIX 17:30 - LBA 18:30 (Jan 7th Only)
FR157 = LBA 17:25 – DUB 18:30 / FR156 = DUB 18:55 – LBA 19:55 (Dec 31st only)
FR157 = LBA 19:25 – DUB 20:30 / FR156 = DUB 20:55 – LBA 21:55 (Oct 29th – Dec 17th & Jan 7th – Mar 24th)
Based Aircraft 3
FR1504 = LBA 06:05 – GDN 09:20 / FR1503 = GDN 09:45 – LBA 11:10 (Oct 29th – Nov 5th)
FR1584 = LBA 12:55 – FUE 17:20 / FR1585 = FUE 17:55 – LBA 22:20 (Oct 29th – Nov 5th)
Non Based Aircraft
FR2333 = KRK 06:45 – LBA 08:15 / FR2332 = LBA 08:40 – KRK 12:10 (Oct 29th – Mar 24th) Operated Ryanair Sun
FR6048 = PMI 06:45 – LBA 08:15 / FR6049 = LBA 08:40 – PMI 12:10 (Oct 29th – Nov 5th)
FR9078 = ALC 09:45 – LBA 11:45 / FR9079 = LBA 12:10 – ALC 15:50 (Oct 29th – Nov 5th)

Wednesday
Based Aircraft 1
FR153 = LBA 06:30 – DUB 07:35 / FR152 = DUB 08:00 – LBA 09:05 (Oct 30th – Dec 18th & Jan 8th – Mar 25th)
FR153 = LBA 08:15 – DUB 09:20 / FR152 = DUB 09:45 – LBA 10:50 (Jan 1st only)
FR2203 = LBA 09:30 – WMI 12:55 / FR2204 = WMI 13:20 – LBA 15:00 (Oct 30th – Dec 18th & Jan 8th – Mar 25th)
FR2448 = LBA 11:30 – MLA 16:00 / FR2449 = MLA 16:25 – LBA 19:00 (Jan 1st only)
FR157 = LBA 19:25 – DUB 20:30 / FR156 = DUB 20:55 – LBA 21:55 (Oct 30th – Dec 18th & Jan 1st – Mar 25th)
Based Aircraft 2
FR2448 = LBA 07:00 – MLA 11:30 / FR2449 = MLA 11:55 – LBA 14:30 (Oct 30th – Dec 18th & Jan 8th – Mar 25th)
FR5041 = LBA 09:10 – BTS 12:35 / FR5042 = BTS 13:00 – LBA 14:35 (Jan 1st Only)
FR2203 = LBA 11:15 – WMI 14:40 / FR2204 = WMI 15:05 – LBA 16:45 (Jan 1st Only) * May have to be rescheduled
FR2446 = LBA 15:20 – AGP 19:25 / FR2447 = AGP 20:00 – LBA 22:10 (Oct 30th – Dec 18th & Jan 1st – Mar 25th)
Based Aircraft 3
FR9530 = LBA 06:30 – CHQ 12:35 / FR9531 = CHQ 13:00 – LBA 15:05 (Oct 30th only)
FR0249 = LBA 15:55 – CFU 21:15 / FR2497 = CFU 21:40 – LBA 23:10 (Oct 30th only)
Non Based Aircraft
FR2504 = FAO 06:35 – LBA 09:35 / FR2503 = LBA 10:00 – FAO 12:55 (Oct 30th Only)
FR9078 = ALC 15:40 – LBA 17:40 / FR9079 = LBA 18:05 – ALC 21:45 (Oct 30th – Dec 18th & Jan 1st –Mar 25th)
FR2333 = KRK 17:45 - LBA 19:15 / FR2332 = LBA 19:40 - KRK 23:10 * (Jan 1st Only) Operated by Ryanair Sun

Thursday
Based Aircraft 1
FR153 = LBA 06:30 – DUB 07:35 / FR152 = DUB 08:00 – LBA 09:05 (Oct 31st – Dec 19th & Jan 2nd – Mar 26th)
FR2332 = LBA 09:30 – KRK 13:00 / FR2333 = KRK 13:25 – LBA 14:55 (Oct 31st –Mar 26th)
FR2482 = LBA 16:00 – RIX 20:40 / FR2483 = RIX 21:05 – LBA 22:05 (Oct 31st – Mar 26th)
Based Aircraft 2
FR2492 = LBA 06:40 – TFS 11:20 / FR2493 = TFS 11:55 – LBA 16:30 (Oct 31st – Dec 19th & Jan 2nd – Mar 26th)
FR2492 = LBA 08:45 – TFS 13:25 / FR2493 = TFS 14:00 – LBA 18:35 (Dec 26th Only)
FR157 = LBA 19:25 – DUB 20:30 / FR156 = DUB 20:55 – LBA 21:55 (Oct 31st – Mar 26th)
Based Aircraft 3
FR2486 = LBA 06:00 – IBZ 09:50 / FR2487 = IBZ 10:25 – LBA 12:10 (Oct 31st Only)
FR2048 = LBA 13:15 – ACE 17:35 / FR2047 = ACE 18:10 – LBA 22:30 (Oct 31st only)
Non Based Aircraft
FR2504 = FAO 07:50 – LBA 10:50 / FR2503 = LBA 11:15 – FAO 14:10 (Oct 31st Only)
FR2535 = LPA 13:15 – LBA 17:40 / FR2536 = LBA 18:05 – LPA 22:45 (Oct 31st only)
FR9078 = ALC 15:15 – LBA 17:15 / FR9079 = LBA 17:40 – ALC 21:20 (Oct 31st – Mar 26th)

Friday
Based Aircraft 1
FR5041 = LBA 06:05 – BTS 09:30 / FR5042 = BTS 09:55 – LBA 11:30 (Nov 1st – Mar 27th)
FR2446 = LBA 12:20 – AGP 16:25 / FR2447 = AGP 17:00 – LBA 19:10 (Nov 1st – Mar 27th)
FR157 = LBA 19:35 – DUB 20:40 / FR156 = DUB 21:05 – LBA 22:05 (Nov 1st – Mar 27th)
Based Aircraft 2
FR153 = LBA 06:30 – DUB 07:35 / FR152 = DUB 08:00 – LBA 09:05 (Nov 1st – Mar 27th)
FR2332 = LBA 10:00 – KRK 13:30 / FR2333 = KRK 13:55 – LBA 15:25 (Nov 1st –Mar 27th)
FR9079 = LBA 15:35 – ALC 19:15 / FR9078 = ALC 19:50 – LBA 21:50 (Nov 1st – Mar 27th)
Based Aircraft 3
FR2503 = LBA 07:00 – FAO 09:55 / FR2504 = FAO 10:20 – LBA 13:25 (Nov 1st only)
FR5043 = LBA 16:05 – VNO 20:55 / FR5044 = VNO 21:20 – LBA 22:15 (Nov 1st only)
Non Based Aircraft
FR2324 = GRO 07:10 - LBA 08:25 / FR2325 = LBA 08:50 - GRO 12:10 (Nov 1st Only)
FR1504 = GDN 10:20 – LBA 11:45 / FR1503 = LBA 12:10 – GDN 15:25 (Nov 1st – Mar 27th) Operated by Ryanair Sun
FR4108 = WRO 17:15 – LBA 18:30 / FR4107 = LBA 18:55 – WRO 22:00 (Nov 1st – Mar 27th) Operated by Ryanair Sun

Saturday
Based Aircraft 1
FR2448 = LBA 06:15 – MLA 10:45 / FR2449 = MLA 11:10 – LBA 13:45 (Nov 2nd - Mar 28th)
FR9079 = LBA 17:00 – ALC 20:40 / FR9078 = ALC 21:15 – LBA 23:15 (Nov 2nd – Mar 28th)
Based Aircraft 2
FR153 = LBA 06:30 – DUB 07:35 / FR152 = DUB 08:00 – LBA 09:05 (Nov 2nd – Mar 28th)
FR2492 = LBA 09:30 – TFS 14:10 / FR2493 = TFS 14:45 – LBA 19:20 (Nov 2nd – Mar 28th)
FR157 = LBA 20:10 – DUB 21:15 / FR156 = DUB 21:40 – LBA 22:40 (Nov 2nd – Mar 28th)
Based Aircraft 3
FR2322 = LBA 09:30 – RMU 13:30 / FR2323 = RMU 14:05 – LBA 16:00 (Nov 2nd Only)
FR2048 = LBA 14:35 – ACE 18:55 / FR2047 = ACE 19:30 – LBA 23:50 (Nov 2nd Only)
Non Based Aircraft
FR2504 = FAO 06:35 – LBA 09:35 / FR2503 = LBA 10:00 – FAO 12:55 (Nov 2nd only)

Sunday
Based Aircraft 1
FR2482 = LBA 06:30 – RIX 11:10 / FR2483 = RIX 11:35 – LBA 12:35 (Oct 27th - Mar 22nd)
FR2332 = LBA 13:35 – KRK 17:05 / FR2333 = KRK 17:30 – LBA 19:00 (Oct 27th –Mar 22nd)
FR157 = LBA 19:25 – DUB 20:30 / FR156 = DUB 20:55 – LBA 21:55 (Oct 27th - Mar 22nd)
Based Aircraft 2
FR1503 = LBA 06:50 – GDN 10:30 / FR1504 = GDN 10:30 – LBA 11:55 (Oct 27th – Mar 22nd)
FR2203 = LBA 16:45– WMI 20:10 / FR2204 = WMI 20:35 – LBA 22:15 (Nov 10th – Mar 22nd)
FR2446 = LBA 13:00 – AGP 17:05 / FR2447 = AGP 17:40 – LBA 19:50 (Oct 27th – Nov 3rd)
Based Aircraft 3
FR1584 = LBA 06:30 – FUE 10:55 / FR1585 = FUE 11:30 – LBA 15:55 (Oct 27th – Nov 3rd)
FR2203 = LBA 16:45– WMI 20:10 / FR2204 = WMI 20:35 – LBA 22:15 (Oct 27th – Nov 3nd) Swaps to based Aircraft 2
Non Based Aircraft
FR2504 = FAO 06:35 – LBA 09:35 / FR2503 = LBA 10:00 – FAO 12:55 (Oct 27th – Nov 3rd)
FR2047 = ACE 13:50 – LBA 18:10 / FR2048 = LBA 18:35 – ACE 22:55 (Oct 27th – Jan 5th)
FR9078 = ALC 15:30 – LBA 17:30 / FR9079 = LBA 17:55 – ALC 21:35 (Oct 27th – Mar 22nd)

 

[LBA4EVER]

Amazingly the route I use all the time, Alicante is the only one to get an increase!

 

[louis_walton]

Ryanairs issue is not leaving the EU it is the 737MAX deliveries, they just don't have the aircraft with older 738's leases coming to an end, and closing bases is a direct result.
With regard easyjet can BHX have its base first please ?

The airline industry has become so much less trustworthy and unsteady because of Brexit which has prevented expansion from many airlines until the issue is resolved. On the EZY subject it’s a free for all now .

 

[lbaspotter]

24 hours on and it all still seems hush hush.

I know bad news is not good, the has being no official statement issued yet from either Ryanair or the Airport regards the route losses and the based aircraft cuts for winter.

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

The airline industry has become so much less trustworthy and unsteady because of Brexit which has prevented expansion from many airlines until the issue is resolved. On the EZY subject it’s a free for all now .

Sadly will remain this way due to the uncertainty. If only the MP's had voted for May's deal back in March. Or may had decided right from the offset to have cross party talks. Imagine.

As for Ryanair - as pointed out the wider issue is the late delivery of MAX's (if they get delivered at all) and leases coming to and end.

 

[White Heather]

As I recall, only a few years ago, Ryanair were operating only 2 based aircraft at LBA during the winter, and went back to 3 again in the summer. Lets hope that is the case this time but it will, I am sure, be dependent upon Boeing sorting out the 737 MAX (or whatever Ryanair end up calling it) and getting them out to airlines. We shouldn't forget that this is not a situation unique to LBA - other airports will suffer too, not least those that are currently much bigger bases for Ryanair, and which are closing completely. At least we still have a base and as long as we do, then the door is open for future expansion or at least restoration of what we have now.

 

[Bigman]

Exactly White Heather. Let's be thankful that we still have a reasonable programme from them. Liverpool have not done too well either...and look how they totally screwed Glasgow!!

 

[a300boy]

So what’s next !
Smaller aircraft and less frequency on routes next summer by Jet 2 and if so who would Ickes up the slack ?
My dream is over and reality has set in sadly !
I hope Jet 2 don’t decide Manchester is the logical main base and follow the trends of the past leaving us with even less than we have.

 

[lbaspotter]

Jet2 won't be leaving anytime soon that is for sure, they have invested too much the area. They now have a big stranglehold on LBA sun routes to the likes of the Canary Islands, Greece, Cyprus & Turkey.

 

[Severn]

As I recall, only a few years ago, Ryanair were operating only 2 based aircraft at LBA during the winter, and went back to 3 again in the summer. Lets hope that is the case this time but it will, I am sure, be dependent upon Boeing sorting out the 737 MAX (or whatever Ryanair end up calling it) and getting them out to airlines. We shouldn't forget that this is not a situation unique to LBA - other airports will suffer too, not least those that are currently much bigger bases for Ryanair, and which are closing completely. At least we still have a base and as long as we do, then the door is open for future expansion or at least restoration of what we have now.

LBA has had 3x based aircraft summer and winter since (at least) 2016. This is the first time since then that the base has dropped to 2x based aircraft.
Regarding other UK bases, the number of based aircraft (required to fly the schedule) are as follows for this coming winter season:

STN - too many to count
MAN - 11x based (+3 vs W18/19)
EDI - 7x based (same as W18/19)
LTN - 6x based (same as W18/19)
EMA - 4x based (same as W18/19)
BRS - 4x based (same as W18/19)
LPL - 3x based (same as W18/19)
BHX - 3x based (same as W18/19)
SEN - 2x based (NEW BASE)
LBA - 2x based (-1 vs W18/19)
BOH - 1x based (same as W18/19)
PIK - 1x based (same as W18/19)
BFS - BASE CLOSED (-2 vs W18/19)

Apart from the BFS base which closes this winter, LBA is the only UK base that sees a decrease in the number of based aircraft vs last year.

 

[Finger66]

Yes Ian we can Orange that for you!

 

[lbaspotter]

It will be interesting to see how the summer 2020 schedule plans out for Ryanair at LBA which could be released for sale later this month or maybe next month.

Will LBA remain a 2+ aircraft base or will it get its 3rd aircraft back? If it remains 2 based the is possibility of job loses for LBA based crews..

 

[LBA4EVER]

When times are hard and there is a lack of aircraft you would naturally take an aircraft away from a base that has a poor infrastructure such as its terminal and of course a challenging runway during the winter months where costly delays and diverts can occur. I will say it again,its staring us in the face,but until something big style is done reg LBAs infrastructure it will only get worse. Ryanair,tui,tcx etc

 

[airforced]

So what’s next !
Smaller aircraft and less frequency on routes next summer by Jet 2 and if so who would Ickes up the slack ?
My dream is over and reality has set in sadly !
I hope Jet 2 don’t decide Manchester is the logical main base and follow the trends of the past leaving us with even less than we have.

If they do a300boy I for one won't be following them over there. I'd just have to find another airport or carrier. Much as we complain about LBA it is much, much better than Manchester.

 

[LBA4EVER]

Can you imagine LBA next year, just 737 800 aircraft and flybe props! grim or what!