Ryanair

[eastcoaster]

It's York Races today. Probably here to see his horses.

 

[Bigman]

Will probably try and squeeze 2 riders on to a horse!!

 

[a300boy]

Love that !!!

 

[EX9]

The jet carries an engineer and parts for tech aircraft.

 

[icarus91]

Just wondering if anybody can fill me in with PAX loads and weight figures on the Ryanair faro flights. I watched the FR2503 flight to Faro go airborne yesterday at 1344 and I don't know if anybody can back me up on this but it was an extremely late take off rwy14 with quite a shallow climb out, it only caught my eye cause i doubted if it was going to get lift. I happened to have seen another today, granted this one was viewed from the horsforth area, also a FR Faro flight and same again, it seemed a very shallow climb however didnt see the take off. HEAVY!

 

[scousefowler]

I must admit I have noticed the same with Ryanair aircraft, seem very heavy and use a lot of the runway.
Some facts and figures on how much weight they are carrying and the limits of the a/c would be good.....
LBAspotter???

 

[lbaspotter]

Yet more Ryanair winter 2013/14 flights have been released for sale. The good news is that it looks as though the LBA programme is on the up again plus there are still some gaps in the programme which may allow for some more routes or services to be added at a later date so I won’t post the programme just yet.

As we all know things can change quickly when looking at the ryanir schedule. But as things stand the weekly programme currently has 36x weekly round trips utilising 2x of the 3x based aircraft along with 3 non based flights, so making a total of 39x weekly rotations on sale so far....

Alicante = 4x weekly, Increases from 4x weekly (TUE, WED, THU, SAT)
Arrecife = 3x weekly, increases from 2x weekly (TUE, THU, SAT)
Dublin = 14x weekly, No change (2x daily MON-SUN)
Fuerteventura = 2x weekly, Increases from 1x weekly (MON & FRI)
Gdansk = 2x weekly, No change (MON & FRI)
Krakow = 4x weekly, Increases from 3x weekly (MON, WED, FRI, SUN)
Malaga = 2x weekly, No change (TUE & SAT)
Malta Luqa = 2x weekly, No change (THU & SUN)
Riga = 2x weekly, No change (THU & SUN)
Tenerife South = 2x weekly, No change (WED & SUN)
Vilnius = 2x weekly, No change (THU & SUN)

 

[Tykesscott]

Has anyone else noticed the change in the style of Ryanair taxing and take offs lately ?

I'm asking because after seeing the Daily Mail story this week things seem to add up.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ofits.html

I live in Cookridge so I see aircraft take off and land everyday but I've notice lately that Ryanair are taking off over Leeds later than any other plane, are climbing slower than others and are less noisy.
Thomson and Jet2 both use 737-800's but there take offs are never as late. I guess that all planes will be equally full at this time of year.

I called up to the cemetery viewing area last weekend and saw a Ryanair taking off, I noticed that it taxied around the apron very fast but when it came around the P and then lining up for take off it continued to taxi downy the runway before increasing thrust slowly but never seemed to be at full thrust and it take off was very late, some people around me (Spotters who had scanners) commented on how late it left the runway.

Do you think its new Ryanair policy ? if so there doesn't seem to be much of a margin for error

Scott

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

I cannot comment on the policy on the ground with regards to a later takeoff. I can however ask was this jet bound for the canaries? and was you watching this jet on a hot and zero wind day? If that be the case, the V1 Vr and V2 speeds would of being alot later on then expected due to no wind flow over the wings which help with lift. Takeoff with no wind will always leave for a later rotation. As a PPL student, when I flew my PA28 a few weeks ago with no wind and in the heat, we rotated alot later then I liked, the climb alot shallower and the thrust setting higher to achieve desired speed all due to heat and wind.

As for the daily mail article which they seem to yet again stick their noses in something they know nothing about I can. First of all i recommend you don't read the daily mail when it comes to anything aviation related - they seem to dramatise everything - I suggest a read of an accident or incident in the air. It's a great read and a great laugh 'the engines fell off, the pilot fell out of his window' that sort of thing. Anyway

When a jet increases to Mach.75 it reaches its optimum speed if you want no drag. After this speed the transonic drag increases due to the design of the aircraft as its not designed like the Concorde. Of course this drag slows brings down the fuel efficiency of the aircraft. Just a little knowledge I know.

 

[Tykesscott]

Yes I know to take the Daily Mail stories with a large pinch of salt but it more about what I saw on the that day and what I have noticed lately but only with Ryanair planes.

It was last sunday, I think it was the 12:20 ish possibly the KRAKOW flight, it was a warm day with not alot of wind.
If as you say 'a low wind and warm day' surley wouldn't you apply thrust from the end of the runway and not 100m+ down the runway ?
There was very little noise heard at the parking area as he applied thrust so late.
He didn't leave the ground until the flat part of the runway past taxiway Delta.

 

[LBA787]

It's funny you have brought this topic up as I was going to post a similar question.

Ryanair seem to be applying a reduced power setting for take off. Nearly all their flights are using considerably more runway length to rotate than the comparable Thomson or Jet2 738's. I'd bet my house that Ryanair a/c weigh in less than the equivalent Thomson or Jet2 738's on take off so something's going on for their a/c to use more runway length on a flight to e.g. AGP than a Thomson going to DLM!!

I have a feeling safety may be being compromised here....(?)

:crazy:

 

[Tykesscott]

at least someone else has noticed it too.

I can see it from home (cookridge) when there is no wind and they take off towards Leeds. The Ryanair climb rate must be half that of other 737-800's.

 

[White Heather]

It may all to be to do with saving fuel in some way, and they have recently instructed pilots to reduce speed slightly for the same reason when at cruising altitude, but you can be sure LBA787 that what they are doing will in no way compromise safety, otherwise they wouldn't be allowed to do it! I think we have to be very very careful about making such statements on a public forum when there is absolutely no evidence to support such a statement.

 

[a300boy]

We use flex take off charts which allow us to reduce the amount of power needed for take off by feeding a false higher temperature into the flex take off computer. A very strict set of rules which take into account the runway data then temperature of the day ,weight of the aircraft and altitude of the airfield are used. The figures are recorded on a take off data card which is handed to the operations department after landing so it would be a very stupid crew who did not follow the rules. I think what you are seeing is possibly a change of flap setting which means more ground roll but a safer second segment climb speed after take off when the aircraft is heavy and obstacles on climb out may be a problem.

 

[whoshotjimmi]

I personally believe that Ryanair 737-800's have been flown in a different way to the same aircraft of different operators for many years. They always seem to have a longer take off roll than the others and climb out less steeply. This has been happening for years - hell, if you watch a few onboard videos on youtube, it is noticeable how different the take off roll is.

 

[whoshotjimmi]

I would also like to put it on record that the Daily Mail article in question is one of the worst written pieces of utter diatribe I have ever seen. It is bad, even for the Daily Mail.

A 737 does not cruise at 600mph. The maximum speed is not even 600mph. Total rubbish.

 

[Bigman]

I don't know how true this is, but according to my taxi driver this morning, Ryanair are due to release their summer 2014 programme on 13/9/13. His wife has been checking for flights next year and has apparently been told this. Some new Scandinavian routes would not go amiss.

 

[lbaspotter]

Interesting rumour bigman. Adds weight to what i was told a few weeks back and hinted about on here.

But it dose make you wonder how come taxi drivers are always the first to know about these things? Especially him knowing the summer 2014 schedule release date.....

 

[whoshotjimmi]

In the words of Al Murray:

"Taxi drivers often mistake 'the knowledge' with actual knowledge...."

 

[lbaspotter]

Something in me thinks ryanair could give SAS a run for there money now that they have announced a new service linking Yorkshire to Copenhagen via Humbersde airport.