Ryanair

[SNOWMAN]

whoshojimmi
how do you no for certain that they only came to lba to use it as a lever to get what they wanted from man?? you seem very definite that is the case,i presume that you have insider knowledge of ryan airs business strategy.
just my thoughts
sm1

 

[whoshotjimmi]

I think it is common knowledge. They almost went as far as to say it themselves. Their press releases at the time stated that they were moving operations from Manchester to Leeds with all the typical Ryanair fanfare and bluster. Sadly, and I do mean sadly, LBA got caught up in all the hype and sent out numerous press releases themselves effectively rubbing it in the face of MAN. It was just Ryanair doing what Ryanair do - give us what we want or we will go somewhere else. It is not a coincidence that a loss of routes from LBA has coincided with a massive gain in routes from MAN. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves. As for having inside knowledge of their business strategy - it has openly been their business strategy for 15+ years. They consistently play airports off against each other. They wanted to get into Manchester - they used Liverpool. Once they got into Manchester, they wanted a better deal - they used LBA. Ryanair now have a large deal with MAG due to them owning 3 large airports across central England. So much for encouraging competition. The fact of the matter is, despite the apparent desire to expand at LBA (the recent press release stating they wish to develop business links at LBA being at the front of my mind), airports like EMA, LPL, LBA are starting to see the effects of Ryanair's continued growth in STN, BHX and MAN. I may not be able to categorically state it as fact SM1, but the evidence is all there. If we were in court trying to prove it beyond all reasonable doubt, I think we would have a pretty good case.

 

[SNOWMAN]

whoshotjimme
thanks for the reply,do you think they will pull out of LBA when there contract years are up, or try for a new deal any thoughts?
regards
sm1

 

[chrisd80]

whoshotjimme

Thanks for the reply and I agree that ryanair do play one airport off another, but no one owes LBA traffic and it is open to all airports to offer the best deal for airlines. LBA and LPL will always have to compete with MAN surely that's what it's all about. Thankfully gone are the days when the government decided which airline or airport had the monopoly of flights to and from the UK and what the could charge.

 

[whoshotjimmi]

Chrisd80 - Don't get me wrong, the position we are in now in terms of aviation is far better than how it was historically. I only hope that all this EU palava goes away because I don't fancy returning to that situation whilst new deals are thrashed out.

SM1 - I think it would be glib of Ryanair to deliberately throw away market share and I am sure that they would not simply pull out altogether for no good reason, particularly if the routes are making money. The likelihood is that they could expand successfully at LBA, LPL, EMA etc but are far happier investing the money into MAN - hence the loss of routes at those airports and the instant, massive expansion at MAN. I can see them using the situation as leverage against a new deal, insofar as they could say something along the lines of "we don't really see any real expansion from LBA - we could use the planes better elsewhere. Give us a good deal or we're off..." at which point LBA would probably accept on the basis that they do not want to lose Ryanair. Whether we like it or not, LBA need Ryanair far more than Ryanair need LBA, much as is the case at LPL and EMA. This gives them a very strong bargaining point. However, I believe that, now they are such a large airline, they will only be able to expand further by retaining the routes they have and adding to those, otherwise they will stagnate.

I genuinely believe that, as the likes of Easyjet and Ryanair were starting to become a force, MAN was still under the impression that BA had a real intention to develop their services and that other main service airlines such as British Midland and Virgin would, equally, expand - potentially setting up Manchester as a hub, similar to LHR, FRA, CDG, AMS etc etc. Whilst that was the case, they were less open to doing 'deals' with these upstart airlines - who clearly wanted to get into MAN - and said airlines went 30 miles down the road to Liverpool instead. After all, they did not go to Liverpool because they somehow had something better to offer than every other city in England. Once MAN chiefs had realised the futility of their own arrogance and relented, the LOCOs swarmed in - the largest operators there now are Monarch, Easyjet, Ryanair, Jet2, Flybe whilst the full service offerings are almost exclusively foreign. I do, however, think that they are redeveloping their previous arrogance and it may come back to bite them in the future. But now Ryanair are well and truly in there with MAG, it won't matter much in the long run.

Additionally, I look at airports such as NCL. There is a traditionally large customer throughput despite a relatively small catchment population. Ryanair have never felt it necessary to expand there. It makes me think that, were it not for the spat with MAN, Ryanair would never have ended up at LBA in the first place, other than the link to Dublin (which, in itself, was a flexing of muscle to remove Aer Lingus from regional routes).

 

[Seasider]

The fact of the matter is, despite the apparent desire to expand at LBA (the recent press release stating they wish to develop business links at LBA being at the front of my mind), airports like EMA, LPL, LBA are starting to see the effects of Ryanair's continued growth in STN, BHX and MAN.

I was aware of the expansion at MAN & STN but all the reports that I have read, said that there has be no expansion at BHX.

 

[lbaspotter]

Just thought everyone might like a cheer up.

Well Good news ryanair are as promised re-starting Leeds/Bradford to Riga route from October 26th. Flights will operate 2x weekly on Thursday and Sundays as follows.

FR2482 = LBA 15:25 - RIX 20:00 / FR2483 = RIX 20:25 - LBA 21:20

 

[whoshotjimmi]

This is excellent news! I am planning a trip to riga sometime in the winter.

 

[752]

https://bdaily.co.uk/hospitality/06-05- ... assengers/

850k passengers over 9 routes for winter 14? :whiteflag: :whiteflag:

 

[TheLocalYokel]

How does this compare with last winter?

 

[eastcoaster]

https://bdaily.co.uk/hospitality/06-05-2014/ryanair-predicts-leeds-bradford-winter-schedule-will-bring-through-850k-passengers/

850k passengers over 9 routes for winter 14? :whiteflag: :whiteflag:

The 850k passengers is annually and not just the winter. Obviously no startling expansion plans yet.

 

[whoshotjimmi]

Thought I would just post a compliment to Ryanair and LBA....

Flew to Dublin this morning with an evening return. Ryanair were fabulous (as I have always found them to be for £20) with flights arriving early both ways and LBA performed magnificently, coping well with the early morning influx of boozy, tattooed party goers (3 flights to Palma this morning).

I also got my first taste of the bus shelter. Aside from the bit of draught, I really don't understand what all the fuss is about. I had to walk 5 times further in Dublin. The only problem was the shabbiness of the terminal building in reaching it through gate 5. Arrivals process was also very good - was in the car park within 10 minutes of the plane coming to a stand still. Just a shame I then had to wait half an hour for my lift....

 

[lbaspotter]

Ryanair will be subbing the following Leeds/Bradford – Dublin flights using Dublin based Air Explore or Air Contractor’s leased Boeing 737-400’s this summer due to an aircraft shortage.

June
Air Explore
FR152/153 - Sunday = 22nd & 29th
FR156/157 - Monday = 16th, 23rd, 30th & Tuesday = 17th, 24th

July
Air Explore
FR152/153 – Sunday = 6th, 13th, 20th & 27th
FR156/157 – Monday = 7th, 14th, 21st, 28th Saturday = 5th, 12th, 19th, 26th & Sunday = 6th, 13th, 20th, 27th

August
Air Explore
FR152/153 – Saturday = 2nd, 9th, 16th, 23, 30th & Sundays 3rd, 10th, 17th, 24, 31st
FR156/157 – Saturday = 9th, 16th, 23rd
Air Contractors
FR156/157 – Monday = 4th, 11th, 18th, 25th

September
Air Explore
FR156/157 – Tuesday = 2nd, 9th Thursday = 4th, 11th & Saturday = 6th, 13th

 

[SNOWMAN]

hi all
have just read on (dried fruit) that LBA are to lose the Ryanair winter malta 2014/2015
is it just a rumour or fact?
regards
sm1 :search:

 

[Tarn Spotter]

Appreciate LBA site, but having avoided Ryanair because of their failure to have seat allocation have just used them on AGP to Ibiza and return last week.
Both flights full and as we had booked seats and paid 2 euros fro priority booking we just sat there at the gate as the queue for non priority got longer and longer. A ryanair member of staff then went down the long queue marking a number on each boarding print out.
Wondering what was going on I approached her to be advised that she was marking the 90 people who would be allowed cabin luggage. Asked her what our position was said as Priority boarding could go on last and take my case with us.
Waited until the bulk of people had passed through the gate walked up straight on the plane.
Plenty of overhead locker space.
On our return at Ibiza we were formed into 2 queues, Priority/non priority, the non priority after counting the first 90 split front and back of plane, they then boarded rear and priority basically together and then the front of the aircraft last, amazing how it speeded up boarding.
Have never seen over 100 cases going into the hold of a ryanair aircraft, have never seen as many people waiting round an airport carousel as there was on our return to malaga.
Overall 10/10 to Ryanair, no rushing onto the plane, plenty of locker space, over half the passengers who load at the end have no cabin luggage so no messy about trying to put under seats or in the locker.
By counting off the 90 prior to boarding sorted out those who wanted to complain they should keep their hand luggage.
If this continues will continue to use and hope Jet2 who we use a lot take steps to sort out the cabin luggage issue.

 

[Bigman]

There has been one hell of a lot of talk about Monarch recently, but Ryanair seems to have gone very quiet. Any thoughts as to what we might see out of them for 2015?

 

[Tarn Spotter]

Bigmman: From my experience with them this year certainly going to use them again. Jet2 who I use often can learn some lessons from them on how to handle cabin luggage.
their change to seat allocation and allowing only the first 90 boarders to carry hand luggage are first class changes in my view, in addition we purchased priority boarding.
These changes meant we could sit and wait for the whole plane to board, carry our hand luggage on and find locker space above our seats for the cases.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

Went out to/back from Limoges 17th/24th, completely full both ways.

 

[Tarn Spotter]

Ryanair join Easyjet in seeking the business customer launching Business plus. http://www.ryanair.com/en/business-plus/

 

[lbaspotter]

hi all
have just read on (dried fruit) that LBA are to lose the Ryanair winter malta 2014/2015
is it just a rumour or fact?
regards
sm1 :search:

Good news to report as it would seem as Ryanair has reversed its decision to axe the Leeds/Bradford - Malta route this coming winter 2014/15 season. As flights are now bookable on the ryanair website all winter operating 2x weekly Thursday and Sundays.

Ryanair winter 2014/15 scheduled

MONDAYS
FR0153 = LBA 06:30 – DUB 07:35 / FR0152 = DUB 08:00 – LBA 09:05
FR1584 = LBA 07:00 – FUE 11:30 / FR1585 = FUE 12:05 – LBA 16:35
FR9079 = LBA 15:25 – ALC 19:15 / FR9078 = ALC 19:50 – LBA 21:50
FR0157 = LBA 19:25 – DUB 20:30 / FR0156 = DUB 20:55 – LBA 22:00
TUESDAYS
FR0153 = LBA 06:30 – DUB 07:35 / FR0152 = DUB 08:00 – LBA 09:05
FR2492 = LBA 06:55 – TFS 11:35 / FR2493 = TFS 12:10 – LBA 16:45
FR2332 = LBA 09:30 – KRK 13:05 / FR2333 = KRK 13:30 – LBA 15:15
FR0157 = LBA 19:25 – DUB 20:30 / FR0156 = DUB 20:55 – LBA 22:00
NON BASED
FR2048 = LBA 12:10 – ACE 16:30 / FR2047 = ACE 07:15 – LBA 11:45
WEDNESDAYS
FR0153 = LBA 06:30 – DUB 07:35 / FR0152 = DUB 08:00 – LBA 09:05
FR1503 = LBA 09:30 – GDN 12:45 / FR1504 = GDN 13:10 – LBA 14:35
FR2446 = LBA 12:10 – AGP 16:15 / FR2447 = AGP 16:50 – LBA 19:00
FR9079 = LBA 15:25 – ALC 19:15 / FR9078 = ALC 19:50 – LBA 21:50
FR0157 = LBA 19:25 – DUB 20:30 / FR0156 = DUB 20:55 – LBA 22:00
THURSDAYS
FR0153 = LBA 06:30 – DUB 07:35 / FR0152 = DUB 08:00 – LBA 09:05
FR2448 = LBA 06:45 - MLA 11:20 / FR2449 = MLA 11:45 - LBA 14:30
FR2332 = LBA 09:30 – KRK 13:05 / FR2333 = KRK 13:30 – LBA 15:15
FR2482 = LBA 15:25 – RIX 20:05 / FR2483 = RIX 20:30 – LBA 21:30
FR0157 = LBA 19:25 – DUB 20:30 / FR0156 = DUB 20:55 – LBA 22:00
FRIDAYS
FR0153 = LBA 06:30 – DUB 07:35 / FR0152 = DUB 08:00 – LBA 09:05
FR1584 = LBA 07:00 – FUE 11:30 / FR1585 = FUE 12:05 – LBA 16:35
FR9079 = LBA 15:25 – ALC 19:15 / FR9078 = ALC 19:50 – LBA 21:50
FR0157 = LBA 19:25 – DUB 20:30 / FR0156 = DUB 20:55 – LBA 22:00
SATURDAYS
FR0153 = LBA 06:30 – DUB 07:35 / FR0152 = DUB 08:00 – LBA 09:05
FR2492 = LBA 06:55 – TFS 11:35 / FR2493 = TFS 12:10 – LBA 16:45
FR2332 = LBA 09:30 – KRK 13:05 / FR2333 = KRK 13:30 – LBA 15:15
FR0157 = LBA 19:25 – DUB 20:30 / FR0156 = DUB 20:55 – LBA 22:00
NON BASED
FR2048 = LBA 12:10 – ACE 16:30 / FR2047 = ACE 07:15 – LBA 11:45
SUNDAYS
FR1503 = LBA 06:15 – GDN 09:30 / FR1504 = GDN 09:55 – LBA 11:20
FR2448 = LBA 06:45 - MLA 11:20 / FR2449 = MLA 11:45 - LBA 14:30
FR2446 = LBA 12:10 – AGP 16:15 / FR2447 = AGP 16:50 – LBA 19:00
FR2482 = LBA 15:25 – RIX 20:05 / FR2483 = RIX 20:30 – LBA 21:30
FR0157 = LBA 19:25 – DUB 20:30 / FR0156 = DUB 20:55 – LBA 22:00

Airport codes
LBA = Leeds/Bradford
DUB = Dublin
FUE = Fuerteventura
ALC = Alicante
TFS = Tenerife South
KRK = Krakow
ACE = Arrecife
AGP = Malaga
GDN = Gdansk
MLA = Malta Luqa
RIX = Riga