Birmingham Airport - General Thread

[TheLocalYokel]

Jenny,

Is it possible (para 4) to relate the two words 'political' and 'honour'?

Oxymoron par excellence!!

 

[Kevin Farnell]

So when a Politician/MP is sacked or forced to resign for doing naughty things (cash for questions, expenses etc, etc), why not make them use the title 'The Right Dishonourable'.
The shame or prospect of it, just may make them think of the consequences prior to their actions.

Oh, wait, 'Politician' and 'Think' - another oxymoron.

Kevin

 

[JENNYJET]

So when a Politician/MP is sacked or forced to resign for doing naughty things (cash for questions, expenses etc, etc), why not make them use the title 'The Right Dishonourable'.
The shame or prospect of it, just may make them think of the consequences prior to their actions.

Oh, wait, 'Politician' and 'Think' - another oxymoron.

Kevin

There is something called the 'Police' that handle such things as they are considered as crimes and some have enjoyed a private cell with Her Majesty's pleasure. The damage to wealth, reputation and loss of any honours held, by way of forfeiture, is usually deterrent enough though a few knucklehead's find it hard to grasp the concept of behavior that is deemed Honourable.

Privy Councillors may also be forced to resign since these are appointments given by Her Majesty herself and are positions to be held for life.

I am just glad to be and wish to remain a simple 'nobody''.

 

[Ray Finkle]

An interesting article from a 'Chief Analyst' suggesting that Britain leaving the EU could present an opportunity for Middle Eastern airlines, with the absence of "the choking interference of European policy makers".

I hope the last line is true:

"This isn't a one-way street," he said. "European airlines have a lot to lose, just as UK airlines do - sanity will prevail and air accords across the EU with the UK will eventually be ascertained," Ahmad concluded.

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/business/aviation/brexit-presents-opportunity-for-uae-airlines

 

[Ray Finkle]

It's happening

He said that, with government borrowing now at record levels, an expensive project like HS2 could easily be sacrificed if the cost of Brexit or economic downturn hit the Treasury's finances.

http://www.birminghampost.co.uk/news/regional-affairs/brexit-hs2-investment-hangs-balance-11532469

 

[richard winterbourn]

I have made no comment on the problems BHX and the airline industry may face since a comment i made last Friday. After expressing my fears that there could be difficult times ahead my comments were immediately dismissed by one poster as hyperbole - scaremongering!
I have been heartened to see that since then, there have been plenty of sensible comments made; comments by people who like me were largely in the remain camp, and who have now expressed similar fears for the future.
If Jet2 were coming, maybe we have now lost that opportunity; Easyjet, Ryanair, Norwegian and maybe others are maybe retrenching on what we hoped were further developments for the airport. I hope i am wrong, but i do have serious fears.
I have heard it said that things will be alright; people will still want their holidays abroad and flights will still be fully booked. Maybe for 'bucket and spade' destinations that may be the case, but what about those services which require front-end customers? How would they fare if there should be a serious downturn in the economy.
For people who genuinely make what they believe to be sensible comments in a developing crisis, we don't want to be faced with glib soundbite responses.
If you believe we are scaremongering, enter into a constructive dialogue and explain how you think we are going to succeed in the next months and years.

 

[JENNYJET]

I mentioned the word 'Hyperbole' in a post in response to our fellow member BUTTY, in reference to media hysteria but to any individual member of this forum personally.

If any person here feels offended by my words I humbly apologise and shall try to further temper my language in any future remarks.

 

[Kevin Farnell]

Hi Richard

My own thoughts are that the UK and also the EU are in a state of high uncertainty at the moment. During this phase, many businesses (not just in the aviation sector) will be hesitant in implementing growth plans. The most important thing is for the situation to return to some form of normality. This can't happen until the political parties sort themselves out. Following that, it's very important for businesses and the economy that a road map of negotiations with the EU regarding trade and movement is drawn up. I know there are many other issues, but I see these as the two most critical for business between the UK and EU.
Once these issues are settled, airlines and other businesses will have the confidence to plan for the future.
To this end, I think it is vital that negotiations are started quickly, but not hastily. Time is needed to get the best results for both parties.
Whatever the future, it is going to be different. Even if it was said tomorrow, 'OK, we're not going to leave' I wonder if the EU would allow us to stay with our previous concessions. It may well insist we adopt the Euro. This would certainly be the case, if the UK were to apply to re-join the EU in the future.
There will also be changes in the way we do business with the rest of the world. What changes, remain to be seen.

Just my thoughts.

Kevin

 

[JENNYJET]

I believe the best way forward would be if everyone behaved as if no referendum took place. Nothing is going to change for at least 2 years if ever so the decision of Ryanair or Mr. O'Leary to ditch the UK of investment or placing new aircraft in favour of EU tells me more about Ryanair than any disgruntled passenger.

With regards BHX, if infrastructure needs improvement, then just get on with it. Airlines that are satisfied shall stay and expand if necessary as will passengers as they shall understand what is good.

Those such as Mr. O'Leary that manipulate political uncertainties for profit I would suggest are better off elsewhere. He has done this before when the Belgian Government increased airport fee's and promptly closed bases and opened bases nearby but outwith Belgium.

Is Ryanair that important? Was BMI Baby such a devastating loss? MyTravel? Someone always emerges to take up good routes and the uncertainties of the Referendum result should not be allowed to stop normal activities prematurely!

 

[IanFarquharson]

I work closely with the financial markets we were braced for a busy Friday after the BREXIT vote to leave. However, the world didn't end, infact the market dropped by 8% at 08.00 and 6 minutes later started to recover, we basically saw a market of down 5% or more as a buying of equities opportunity. As I said this opportunity was over in 6 minutes.
The FTSE100 has today closed higher than it did on Thursday pre BREXIT and currency rates are rapidly improving.
On Friday both the German and French markets had bigger losses than the FTSE100 which tells business they need to trades with UK more than we need to trade with Europe.
I think if deals can be put in place sooner than later the UK will be in good place and still the envy of all our European neighbours.
Airlines like Ryanair will still expand in the UK as will Easyjet and the rest, they all need the UK market.
I said last week pre BREXIT that this is similar to the 'Millenium Bug' i.e. lots of hype then nothing !.

 

[Paulsstrange]

I agree with Ian quite frankly there is nothing to worry about whatsoever.
Ryanair oleaey is a bitter EU supporter. If he harms his biggest market then the man's a fool.
Jet 2 meanwhile expansion already confirmed post Brexit from EMA and EDI... hardly panicking !!!
For God sake the Ftse is now at values familiar pre Brexit and the pound against most currencies has recovered...and will do against the dollar given time.
Scare mongering and propaganda will only aid towards a false drop in trade and a possible recession....so go home chill get a drink and be grateful we are out !

 

[Brum X]

I agree with Ian quite frankly there is nothing to worry about whatsoever.
Ryanair oleaey is a bitter EU supporter. If he harms his biggest market then the man's a fool.
Jet 2 meanwhile expansion already confirmed post Brexit from EMA and EDI... hardly panicking !!!
For God sake the Ftse is now at values familiar pre Brexit and the pound against most currencies has recovered...and will do against the dollar given time.
Scare mongering and propaganda will only aid towards a false drop in trade and a possible recession....so go home chill get a drink and be grateful we are out !

Paul, maybe to discuss on the EU referendum section but please don't tell us to be "grateful we are out"
Tbh I am getting on with my life as per usual this week, you have too. Life goes on.

 

[Ray Finkle]

Ever though that airport parking charges are excessively high? Spare a thought for Dean Saunders

Dean Saunders faces £1,000 parking fine after leaving his car in the short stay car park at Birmingham Airport... expecting an early Wales exit from Euro 2016

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ort-expecting-early-Wales-exit-Euro-2016.html

The airport have said that they'll waive the fee, on one condition. Wales must win the tournament

 

[Butty]

As I started this debate with my airline stocks down post last friday perhaps I can qualify my concern.

I hope that I am wrong, but...

...UK airports are booming. As they are in other countries. BHX also booming. Happy days.

However, a key driver of that growth is emerging economies and markets, and in the case of BHX in the last two years, eastern Europe. That growth is aided by free movement, which I have no doubt will remain for tourists. But if the growth to these markets has been driven by the free movement of the work force then that will cease unless the UK adopts an open borders policy - the Norwegian model - which the noises from the referendum and since are no way. So there is a risk that the longer term growth will be lower than present and I would not be surprised if services are cut.

Coupled with this is the risk of a sustained lower value to the pound which will push up the cost of travel - oil is traded in dollars - and the cost of accommodation, currency, booze, plastic bucket and spade etc. So that could impact on the propensity to travel abroad on holiday.

Whilst the cost of travel to the UK by plane will also be affected, the country could be more attractive to foreign tourists, which will help offset less of us popping over there.

Plus, if we go into a recession or a prolonged period of uncertainty, there will be a squeeze on business travel, which is a very considerable part of the UK's and BHX's throughput.

There is a limited to all markets. The problem bhx has is the eastern European market is new, relative to London and Man, so it is not as established and probably more vulnerable.

Jenny mentioned hyperbole in an earlier post - rest assured, no apology necessary and I was not offended. I would not described it as hyperbole. But I am sorting say brexit has created some pretty serious risks to the uk which are self imposed which the aviation and airport industry cannot ignore and be complacent about, hence the statement from BHX on Friday to reassure everyone.

The trick now is what is the government is going to do in the long term interests of the country to minimise the impact I.e. support the pound, retain existing overseas investment (jaguar land rover, cadburys and the entire UK based car industry, financial sector all vulnerable to the imposition of tariffs), promote the UK as a welcoming country for everyone from everywhere (which it gave the impression it is not last week - by the way can we buy Farage a one way ticket to somewhere far far away?) and manage this whole thing in a way so that the UK remains an open for business nation.

If not, then project fear becomes project fact and we can and deserve to expect the worse.

As I say, I hope I am wrong on the last point.

 

[JENNYJET]

Firstly, UK is and remains a member of EU and remain liable to payment of subscriptions and to the laws incorporated into UK law.

Article 50 of The Lisbon Treaty needs to be triggered by UK Government and ONLY after that may negotiations begin in ernest to enable the disentanglement of UK from EU.

This requires the repealing of the European Communities Act 1972 as this Statute enabled not only UK enter the EEC as was but also Ireland { Republic of }, and the Kingdom of Denmark.

It further allowed the Hellenic Republic, Spain, Portugal, later Cyprus, Malta, the former Soviet Republics and shall be the vehicle that may permit Iceland, an independent Scotland and even Gibraltar if finally separated from both Spain and British influence.

The reality of Brexit is all about unravelling the legal instruments the bind UK to EU. 43 year's worth of directives and protocols woven into the laws of Britain and her depenencies currently subject to such laws.

This is going to be a painstakingly slow and deliberate process but is necessary.

As for other goings on in media, the financial markets or City Betting Shops or at Westminster, ignore it.

Just carry on as you did before referendum. If bookings dry up on the airlines, they shall take the excuse to close up. After all, the EU have a big problem now and that is how to protect 27 states and live without considerable funds that were the UK contribution.

 

[Ray Finkle]

The UK Constitutional Law Association are debating about whether Article 50 can be triggered by the Prime Minister alone or whether it would require an act of Parliament.

It's a lengthy but interesting read, maybe our resident legal expert Miss Jenny can make a better understanding of it?

https://ukconstitutionallaw.org/201...le-50-trigger-parliaments-indispensable-role/

 

[JENNYJET]

The UK Constitutional Law Association are debating about whether Article 50 can be triggered by the Prime Minister alone or whether it would require an act of Parliament.

It's a lengthy but interesting read, maybe our resident legal expert Miss Jenny can make a better understanding of it?

https://ukconstitutionallaw.org/201...le-50-trigger-parliaments-indispensable-role/

I am aware of these Gentlemen and their comments are quite correct in my view but Law is about the wording and then the interpretation.

Paragraph one of Article 50 is clear, constitutional requirements of the member state has supremacy over and above the usual EU Supremacy over UK arrangements.

Those rights are decided by UK Parliament to which the PM acts for Parliament for the people's of the UK.

It is entirely possible that the Government may, under a new PM and on the advice of the incumbent Attorney General introduce a single clause Bill to enable the PM to act on behalf of Parliament in negotiations to withdraw from EU but in my opinion a statutory instrument should permit the Prime Minster, as UK head of Government to submit an application to the EU Commission under Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty for the UK to seek to withdraw from the EU.

The remainder of the text of Article 50 will become obvious once Paragraph One is understood.

 

[Ray Finkle]

It seems as if Mr Saunders car parking charges will continue to rise

Well done Wales

 

[JENNYJET]

Shows how good England team is!!

As for Mr. Saunders, who said footballers had the intellectual capacity sufficient to understand the concept of paying for a service?

Under no circumstances should anyone offer a penny to pay for ineptitude.

He is wealthy enough to cover his obligations to BHX and BHX should NOT waive the charges under any circumstances. They would never do so for any of us would they now?

 

[Ray Finkle]

Should they win the tournament then it may be a nice gesture for either BHX or Mr Saunders to donate the money to a local charity?

I think Wales have every chance of beating Portugal but I'd worry about anyone facing Germany.

What price of an Iceland vs Wales final?