KLM

[752]

KLM pays the landing fees at LBA as it’s there slots that Eastern uses.

Oh and it looks like KLM City Hopper are operating the majority of LBA-AMS flights this week with Eastern returning from July 1st onwards.

Looks like slightly different / later times

 

[lbaspotter]

Looks like slightly different / later times

See following post for this weeks revised timings due to major NATO exercise at Amsterdam

Don’t know what’s going on during the last week of June 2025 (Week Commencing Sun 22nd to Fri 27th) as both the morning Leeds - Amsterdam flights have been rescheduled?

The early 06:20, KL1018 will depart at 08:25 and remains operated by our based Eastern Airways Embraer 190.

Meanwhile the mid-morning rotation has been totally rescheduled to be operated by KLM City Hoppers own Embraer 190 in the afternoon as follows. The KL1019 will arrive at 13:30 instead of 09:30 and the outbound KL1020 service that is normally due out at 10:05 will depart at 14:10.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

Looks like tonights night stopper is in 'Skyteam' livery.

 

[Stagman]

Isn't it a case Eastern are still awaiting a number of E190's to come from KLM to enter the Eastern fleet. Since a number of the KLM E190 fleet was side lined due to requiring major exams. So the E190's are having to wait in turn to get these major exams done, before being released to Eastern.

I haven't been keeping fully abreast of developments for most of this year due to bit of ill health and workload. So not entirely fully upto date of the fleet currently.

Eastern fleet:

E170:
G-CMLI
G-CMPI (leased to KLM)

E190:
G-CLSN (leased to KLM)
G-CLYU (leased to KLM)
G-CMWI (ex KLM)
G-CMZI (ex KLM) (leased to KLM)

Fleet info off Planespotter website

So if the info on Planespotter website is upto date that means they are still awaiting a few aircraft to come from KLM.

So is it really all down to Eastern the issues on the Amsterdam route.

 

[White Heather]

Isn't it a case Eastern are still awaiting a number of E190's to come from KLM to enter the Eastern fleet. Since a number of the KLM E190 fleet was side lined due to requiring major exams. So the E190's are having to wait in turn to get these major exams done, before being released to Eastern.

I haven't been keeping fully abreast of developments for most of this year due to bit of ill health and workload. So not entirely fully upto date of the fleet currently.

Eastern fleet:

E170:
G-CMLI
G-CMPI (leased to KLM)

E190:
G-CLSN (leased to KLM)
G-CLYU (leased to KLM)
G-CMWI (ex KLM)
G-CMZI (ex KLM) (leased to KLM)

Fleet info off Planespotter website

So if the info on Planespotter website is upto date that means they are still awaiting a few aircraft to come from KLM.

So is it really all down to Eastern the issues on the Amsterdam route.

It's the E190 -2s that are having to have engine checks I think. Same engines as the A320 NEO? As far as I know it doesn't affect the standard E190s that Eastern have or are waiting for.

 

[Starflyer]

Would also be a shame for eastern to not come out of this either, because at their core they would be a good outfit if it weren’t for the aforementioned short termism they drives it.

Eastern will not change until one thing about Eastern changes, and so it will never change.

 

[pug]

Eastern will not change until one thing about Eastern changes, and so it will never change.

Knowing someone who was there when it was owned by Bristow and then offloaded back to the element in question I think it’s clear the actual business did better under the latter in its previous life. The core business has died and there’s been no way to survive other than smash and grab contracts. The KLM is fundamentally different because it’s long term where the others weren’t. But like I said previously the seeming lack of forward planning and investment is what will kill it, not the capability of the people who work there. This is why I think it needs offloading again to a strategic partner such as KLM.

Do I think this will happen? No probably not, but if this does spectacularly fail as some seem to hope I fail to see how KLM could take up the slack given their own issues. So I’d prefer to hope it works out in the end.

@Stagman the reason for the delayed EIS of a couple of the ex-KLC E-190 aircraft was due to KLM weight certification paperwork delays. I’m not exactly sure why they took so long to do this but sometimes airlines can declare a lower MTOW to reduce fees for things like airspace slots. This may be the reason along with the obvious M&B calculations.

 

[Stagman]

It's the E190 -2s that are having to have engine checks I think. Same engines as the A320 NEO? As far as I know it doesn't affect the standard E190s that Eastern have or are waiting for.

It isn't to do with engine checks.

A number of E190's were laid up because they needed major exams. After x amount of hours aircraft require certain exams, the further on the hours the higher the exam scale required. Some higher exam levels require more in depth examination and costlier which can take weeks to months to fully complete.

 

[White Heather]

It isn't to do with engine checks.

A number of E190's were laid up because they needed major exams. After x amount of hours aircraft require certain exams, the further on the hours the higher the exam scale required. Some higher exam levels require more in depth examination and costlier which can take weeks to months to fully complete.

That's what I said!!

The E190-2s definitely are needing engine checks though. There's been numerous articles about it.

 

[Len Fish]

And major routine engine checks for aircraft not affected by the P&W debacle are being caught up in a backlog caused by the PW1100G inspection recalls and increased demand for maintenance, repair and overhaul facilities.

 

[Finger66]

Overhaul a bit of a shambles then!

 

[SierraHotel]

All 3 LBA AMS rotations today being operated by E175s. Further evidence of declining loads??

 

[White Heather]

All 3 LBA AMS rotations today being operated by E175s. Further evidence of declining loads??

Or declining E190 aircraft availability?

 

[Finger66]

At least it keeps the full schedule in place however disappointing E175s are over E190s

 

[752]

All 3 LBA AMS rotations today being operated by E175s. Further evidence of declining loads??

AMS figures was up last month according to the CAA stats, so presumptuous I think. A/C availability is almost certainly the factor.. (Hence the KLM operation in the first place).

 

[Len Fish]

Given these are unscheduled flights for KLM CH metal it’s probably a matter of using whatever aircraft they have available at the time.

 

[White Heather]

Given these are unscheduled flights for KLM CH metal it’s probably a matter of using whatever aircraft they have available at the time.

Anyone know exactly why we are temporarily back to KLM and Eastern have abandoned us?

 

[Aviador]

Or declining E190 aircraft availability?

Or increased offloads!

 

[Bob O'JOb]

Seriously they can't win can they? Eastern are operating flights with white planes and they're always cancelled. KLM are operating flights with their nice blue planes but they're not the ones we want.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

Seriously they can't win can they? Eastern are operating flights with white planes and they're always cancelled. KLM are operating flights with their nice blue planes but they're not the ones we want.

Im interested to see if the schedule changes we saw this week (as a result of the NATO summit?) are going to be extended.